Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Yeah and Torts hated him lol.

Its a kindler, gentler Torts now. He visited Corropolese Bakery.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

*Danny

 

[mr4tno]

Another D man off the board. DB is setting himself up for what has now become known as a "Fletcher". Start with a very good market, then wait and wait and wait. Then, poof, all of a sudden there is no market and now you have an excuse for not pulling the trigger....

 

[mr4tno]

Guaranteed he signs here for at least that and probably 5-6 years haha.

Don't forgot the stanrd in any Flyers contract - NMC. i mean if ND can get one then...

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

With the 3 games in 4 days coming up I don’t think we see Danny make a trade until Tuesday at the earliest. They’re gonna try to squeeze every win out of these guys as they can before trading them.

It will be a big disappointment if they don’t end up moving them.

 

[BiggE]

For those expecting the Flyers to move vets for futures between now and the deadline,

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm not going to get too worked up about what Jones said. I don't think it proves anything one way or another as far as the idea of rebuilding goes. The only thing I think it really is is an admission by Jones that they either lied to the players or the fans, and if they're lying to the players, that's understandable - though I don't know why you'd publicly admit it.

I'll take a page out of @JojoTheWhale's playbook and say that Seeler and Walker are the low hanging fruit. Those are the moves that every GM should be getting right. The harder to swallow moves, ie, trading Laughton last draft, moving Konecny and/or other guys who are useful now and probably for a few more years in the future - those are the ones that really tell you if they're rebuilding. You can't rebuild just by selling off spare parts and expiring contracts. You have to make some moves that hurt now with the eye on getting better in the future.

And no, that doesn't mean trade everyone and tank necessarily. It just means trying to line up the primes of the majority of your roster so they all happen at the same time.

The Flyers think everything will line up by chance if they just do everything the old fashioned and honest way in the traditional imagined spirit of the sport. Fate will reward their intentions. And it's true, eventually they will get lucky. That it's taken almost fifty years just means our turn may be up soon.

I believe that time is NOW. They are right.

 

[ponder719]

I don't entirely know what a deal with Edmonton would look like (though I have to imagine we'd be holding out for their first and a prospect at least, if we trade both), but I wouldn't be surprised if Danny B explores this option, because I'm pretty sure there's no way Edmonton can afford both guys going into next year, so at least one would hit the market and be in play for a potential return. I don't exactly need to see them back here, but that feels like the kind of thought process that would appeal to our management team.

 

[pooch]

I don't entirely know what a deal with Edmonton would look like (though I have to imagine we'd be holding out for their first and a prospect at least, if we trade both), but I wouldn't be surprised if Danny B explores this option, because I'm pretty sure there's no way Edmonton can afford both guys going into next year, so at least one would hit the market and be in play for a potential return. I don't exactly need to see them back here, but that feels like the kind of thought process that would appeal to our management team.

I dont mind if they bring one of them back on a short and reasonable deal as long as they trade them first and maybe even take back a bad expiring contract or two to maximize the return. Seems like a no brainer to me and I'd have a lot more faith in this FO if they did that.

 

[mr figgles]

I think that actions speak louder.

It’s hard to care at this point, but well… there is some care left there - so to speak.

In terms of a “rebuild”

- We have seen them move nobody of real value, contention vs age/productivity windows be damned. Provorov, and Hayes were deemed troublemakers, or wanted out. They have so far held on to Laughton, and with talks of extending Walker/Seeler… It’s not really promising.

I am willing to hold off until the deadline passes, but it’s clear imo they value a playoff appearance this season more than the maximum amount of available assets for the future.

- The Cutter Gauthier move is a disappointing one to me. They had 2 years to work out a deal with a team, and the best that was available was a cripple in Drysdale? Talented yes, and a potential to be something truly solid - but nobody is going to convince me that they didn’t want an NHL ready player in return to placate the fanbase. Not after selling a fanbase ready to burn Comcast alive - on Cutter being a foundational piece.

- I can’t help but to bring up Konecny, but the upcoming contract extension that’s for sure coming is foolish. It may pay off, but for a player that has somewhat of a reckless play style, smaller stature, and decent miles.. I’m not sure it’s a smart investment.

Some of these points are hypothetical scenarios, so of course we will see - but it screams a lot more to the perpetual half ass retools we have seen time, after time.

It’s just.. we are still completely bereft of high end talent. Outside of maybe Matvei coming over. The focus should be 100% on trying to fill that void, yet there is conversation about whether it’s smart to extend a couple of third pairing defensemen?

Those are gimme moves, yet the Flyers have us discussing such minutia because it’s just the norm. I don’t know how many times we’ve had to talk about a clearly non NHL caliber fourth line player over the years.

Again, these are basic moves a competent organization makes. Yet the Flyers just fall on their face time, and time again.

Hopefully they prove me wrong this deadline - and do something (gasp) to actually try to address the elephant in the room that’s constantly minimized or ignored.

They expect to find high end talent in FA, trades, or with the acumen of their scouting/development staff.

They are milking a gullible fanbase. Playing every side as much as possible to ensure ticket sales. Keeping alumni content, and happy.

Success is really irrelevant here.

You know in your heart the TK extension won’t work out. They’ll be paying a broken down Coots and TK a combined 16 million just as Michkov is hitting his prime with no 1C or 1D, unless they luck into them.

 

[Danko]

Edmonton has a First and a 2nd in this years draft...Doubt they want to give up a first for just Walker. Does he put them over the top?

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers front office hatching up creative trades this deadline:

They call it: the "Everlasting Rebuildstopper"!

Spoiler

This is the best story of the year. They were giving out single jelly beans to kids afterwards.

Single jelly beans. I don't know if this was a stunt. If it was, it was perfectly orchestrated, right on down to maximizing bleakness by having it in Glasgow

 

[TheKingPin]

With the 3 games in 4 days coming up I don’t think we see Danny make a trade until Tuesday at the earliest. They’re gonna try to squeeze every win out of these guys as they can before trading them.

It will be a big disappointment if they don’t end up moving them.

My thoughts as well. If they are wanting to hold on to them for the actual playoffs, you have to think they want them for as much of the playoff push as possible. That makes sense to me as long as the market is still intact.

We are all so damaged from Fletcher haha

 

[Random Forest]

Edmonton has a First and a 2nd in this years draft...Doubt they want to give up a first for just Walker. Does he put them over the top?

I think you probably could get a 1st out of them here but not for Walker alone. An Edmonton trade is very likely to include Cody Ceci, so they’re getting value for us to take him. And having another non-Staal body on the roster isn’t exactly bad for the Flyers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think you probably could get a 1st out of them here but not for Walker alone. An Edmonton trade is very likely to include Cody Ceci, so they’re getting value for us to take him. And having another non-Staal body on the roster isn’t exactly bad for the Flyers.

I've been pondering if a set of 2s for Walker and Seeler individually is worth more or less than trading them as a pair for a 1

 

[GKJ]

Would be awesome to not sign Walker only to sign Ceci after next season

 

[GKJ]

I've been pondering if a set of 2s for Walker and Seeler individually is worth more or less than trading them as a pair for a 1

I think this mindset is underutilized. Oilers don’t have a 2nd next year though.

 

[mr4tno]

The Flyers think everything will line up by chance if they just do everything the old fashioned and honest way in the traditional imagined spirit of the sport. Fate will reward their intentions. And it's true, eventually they will get lucky. That it's taken almost fifty years just means our turn may be up soon.

I believe that time is NOW. They are right.

That is just it -- they have gotten lucky (gifted #2OA) and still blew it...

 

[LegionOfGloom]

I think this mindset is underutilized. Oilers don’t have a 2nd next year though.

I'd agree if the 2nds were in the 40s but I'd rather have the 30th pick than 2 picks at 60.

That is just it -- they have gotten lucky (gifted #2OA) and still blew it...

If your plan for success relies on a single draft pick from years ago, you need a new plan.

 

[GKJ]

I'd agree if the 2nds were in the 40s but I'd rather have the 30th pick than 2 picks at 60.


If your plan for success relies on a single draft pick from years ago, you need a new plan.

That’s also true.

 

[mr4tno]

You know in your heart the TK extension won’t work out. They’ll be paying a broken down Coots and TK a combined 16 million just as Michkov is hitting his prime with no 1C or 1D, unless they luck into them.

It is really weird because they have/had examples of these contracts going bad, literally, in front of their faces - Couturier, Ellis, Atkinson, Voracek... I do not believe, in today's NHL, t is prudent business practie to pay 34+ yo players multi million dollars

 

[BernieParent]

This is the best story of the year. They were giving out single jelly beans to kids afterwards.

Single jelly beans. I don't know if this was a stunt. If it was, it was perfectly orchestrated, right on down to maximizing bleakness by having it in Glasgow

 

[ajgoal]

Now was it better than the Johnny Depp version is the real question.

 

[Random Forest]

It is really weird because they have/had examples of these contracts going bad, literally, in front of their faces - Couturier, Ellis, Atkinson, Voracek... I do not believe, in today's NHL, t is prudent business practie to pay 34+ yo players multi million dollars

At the same time though, the market is the market, and if you take too hard of a stance against this, you will be foregoing multiple years of elite talent on your roster, and there isn’t exactly a surplus of such talent — certainly not on the Flyers roster.

It can both be true that a long term Konecny deal has meaningful downside risk on the backend and is also the optimal decision.

 

[FLYguy3911]

What kind of odds can I get on the Flyers getting at least 7 points over the next 4 games? That seems like a stone cold lock.