Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[GKJ]

By the way, Chicago still had Toews and Kane most of the year, even in a tank.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

By the way, Chicago still had Toews and Kane most of the year, even in a tank.

And we will still have Couturier and Atkinson. No reason what so ever to hold onto Laughton and TK as well when we've received solid offers.

 

[FlyerNutter]

The way it’s shaping up I’d honestly just be happy if they erased the whole team, and history. Can be a nice thing to look back on but this is a waste of time at this point.

It’s all pathetic. The country club scum have a chokehold on this thing forever.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

I really hate to be stepping into Beef's territory...but if they hold onto Laughton and TK along with Couturier and Atkinson....it's not a rebuild. It's simply not. It's the typical Flyers half assed approach of a retool masqueraded and marketed as a rebuild. It's bullshit.

 

[Magua]

By the way, Chicago still had Toews and Kane most of the year, even in a tank.

They helped the tank.

They were there because of their contracts. They’re washed and added negative win value. I doubt a single Blackhawks fan cared about getting a 2nd for Kane, a franchise great, not a Scott Laughton.

 

[GKJ]

And we will still have Couturier and Atkinson. No reason what so ever to hold onto Laughton and TK as well when we've received solid offers.

You think we have them. 2 guys who just missed an entire season who we are to assume will return to their prior forms and not continue to get injured for an organization that has yet to prove they know how to do that.

 

[Evergreen]

The team needs a Trevor Zegras, not a Scott f***ing Laughton

Well obviously, but they aren’t going to get a Zegras or a pick high enough to select that type of prospect for Scott Laughton. Sure, maybe trading Laughton would help the Flyers get closer to that type of player or prospect if they can package the return on Laughton with other assets, but you’re presenting the issue as if they have a choice between one or the other.

I think they can hold onto Laughton until the trade deadline and still get the same return for him then. And then you have a good leader in the room for most of the year to help guide our younger guys. That isn’t to say I’d be opposed to trading him now, but I don’t think it’s urgent.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

If Toews & Kane had 1st round+ value last summer they would have been gone too.

 

[Flybynite]

The way it’s shaping up I’d honestly just be happy if they erased the whole team, and history. Can be a nice thing to look back on but this is a waste of time at this point.

It’s all pathetic. The country club scum have a chokehold on this thing forever.

When Vegas came into the league I said I'd have gladly traded this franchise, the minor leagues, the history, the name, everyone to them and then just wait for an expansion team.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Amazing the hawks didn’t keep DeBrincat

It’s just nice to see the BS about a rebuild being exposed. Comcast, and its Flyers are nothing but a political party more concerned with optics than actual substance.

Marketing, and a lot of dazzle to try to win back a fanbase. The process remains the same.

Just curious what the odds are they would have dealt Provorov if he didn’t want out himself?

It’s not a rebuild, sure as shit not by hanging onto TK - and Laughton.

 

[TheKingPin]

There’s not a Bedard at the end of next year to tank for.

There are high end players every year. I’m sure the NYR saw a bump for their non generational lotto win picks. Fans won’t wait and see a few years, they will be pumped and hopeful.

And it’s not like you don’t draft if you aren’t 1OA. Chances are, a better pick will get you a better player.

Well obviously, but they aren’t going to get a Zegras or a pick high enough to select that type of prospect for Scott Laughton. Sure, maybe trading Laughton would help the Flyers get closer to that type of player or prospect if they can package the return on Laughton with other assets, but you’re presenting the issue as if they have a choice between one or the other.

I think they can hold onto Laughton until the trade deadline and still get the same return for him then. And then you have a good leader in the room for most of the year to help guide our younger guys. That isn’t to say I’d be opposed to trading him now, but I don’t think it’s urgent.

Says who? Boston has a bunch of elite level players drafted late. Laughton is around 30. This team can’t be good for at least 3 years. Probably 5+. literally no point.

 

[deadhead]

I think some people here assume that rebuild is equivalent to tanking.
So far they've traded a 27 year old for numerous assets, including 3 high picks, dumped a 29 and 31 year old and regained $6M in cap room.
So that's certainly rebuilding.
Peterson is a cap dump, but Walker has a good chance of garnering another asset at the TDL.

Let's see what else they do, but if you expected a full scale tank, you weren't listening.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

I think some people here assume that rebuild is equivalent to tanking.
So far they've traded a 27 year old for numerous assets, including 3 high picks, dumped a 29 and 31 year old and regained $6M in cap room.
So that's certainly rebuilding.
Peterson is a cap dump, but Walker has a good chance of garnering another asset at the TDL.

Let's see what else they do, but if you expected a full scale tank, you weren't listening.

No, people assume that when you have players here that will not be in the window when you're good again, and have significant trade value, you'll move them to help boost the "rebuild." You know this.

 

[Taijuan Fedotov]

They're doing a 2011 again and pretending they're not.

Until their actions prove otherwise, I think they're gunning for a playoff spot. When it fails they will just say "oh we're rebuilding". They want a playoff spot with none of the pressure or downside when they don't achieve it.

I don't think that scam would work longer than a season or two though.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I think some people here assume that rebuild is equivalent to tanking.
So far they've traded a 27 year old for numerous assets, including 3 high picks, dumped a 29 and 31 year old and regained $6M in cap room.
So that's certainly rebuilding.
Peterson is a cap dump, but Walker has a good chance of garnering another asset at the TDL.

Let's see what else they do, but if you expected a full scale tank, you weren't listening.

I expected for one time some semblance of coherent thought.

At least it’s easy to see that the new era of orange is the same old pile of shit as before. Just with slightly better marketing.

This franchise is king at gaslighting its own fanbase. f*** them all to high hell with no remorse for ruining my generations hockey team. Disgusting outdated pigs that care more about upholding their own legacies, and an antiquated history than building something worthwhile in todays NHL.

 

[TheKingPin]

I think some people here assume that rebuild is equivalent to tanking.
So far they've traded a 27 year old for numerous assets, including 3 high picks, dumped a 29 and 31 year old and regained $6M in cap room.
So that's certainly rebuilding.
Peterson is a cap dump, but Walker has a good chance of garnering another asset at the TDL.

Let's see what else they do, but if you expected a full scale tank, you weren't listening.

I don’t know about expect vs wish, but it’s clear that a full tank is the way to go. Chicago is the best thing for a modern day dynasty and they will be right back to it shortly.

Why do we have Provy traded now? Why not last summer. Or Hayes or any of these players. Why did we trade such assets for Risto and TDA? If these moves didn’t happen we would have assets and be closer to the top of the lottery.

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't think trading Hayes and Provorov (and likely Sanheim) while adding Peterson and Walker is gunning for a playoff spot.

 

[TheKingPin]

What’s up with no trade rumors now all of a sudden? At least that was the case with Provy being traded so I’m hopeful.

 

[Curufinwe]

Why do we have Provy traded now? Why not last summer. Or Hayes or any of these players. Why did we trade such assets for Risto and TDA? If these moves didn’t happen we would have assets and be closer to the top of the lottery.

Fletcher wasn't rebuilding; Briere is.

 

[GKJ]

They helped the tank.

They were there because of their contracts. They’re washed and added negative win value. I doubt a single Blackhawks fan cared about getting a 2nd for Kane, a franchise great, not a Scott Laughton.

A single one? I don’t agree. People may have been on board with what they did - and they did want to trade them - but fans who actually were there also definitely appreciated that they stayed as long as possible. People underestimate the level of devotion those kinds of fans have or believe they have to the players they’ve invested in, and they’re the ones you’re making money off of now.

I’ll give you another - the Flyers business connections obviously deteriorated to the point where the new chairman was hired specifically for the purpose of ‘he’s a guy with Philly business connections’ and we have a team who many people believe, with good reason, has an egomaniac head coach as the face of the franchise. When the corporate and the charity people call, you need players to send them. They don’t know who Nick Seeler is. Laughton has been their guy fur this, probably gets the A to raise his profile for it. When all the Provorov pride shit was happening, and Torts going about how proud he was of him, who was the guy on the other side everyone looked at?

As much as I’d like to just get the best package and move on - and I do - these are things that as business people they have to take into account, because they’re not nothing roles, and when they leave someone else has to do it. And yes, you have Atkinson and other veteran guys still but they’re also only allowed to do so much too.

 

[Magua]

So far they've traded a 27 year old for numerous assets, including 3 high picks

They traded a 26 year old malcontent. They traded a 31 year old malcontent. And they're working on trading a 27 year old malcontent. Notice a theme?

Let's see what else they do, but if you expected a full scale tank, you weren't listening.

We've all been listening to their talk of a 3 year rebuild. That's the problem. This just looks like Culture Re-tool v3.0.

 

[GKJ]

There are high end players every year. I’m sure the NYR saw a bump for their non generational lotto win picks. Fans won’t wait and see a few years, they will be pumped and hopeful.

And it’s not like you don’t draft if you aren’t 1OA. Chances are, a better pick will get you a better player.



Says who? Boston has a bunch of elite level players drafted late. Laughton is around 30. This team can’t be good for at least 3 years. Probably 5+. literally no point.

NYR saw something of a bump, but they also were a good team and matters less that they aren’t as good players as they thought.

Might be why they keep firing coaches.

 

[TheKingPin]

Fletcher wasn't rebuilding; Briere is.

…in reply to next isn’t worth tanking for. We should have always looked at this year to tank. Even if we were good - Couts, Atkinson, Farabee, Ellis all were down for the count. This was a no brainer year to tank. But instead we got TDA for almost as much as Newhook

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Mood.

They’ll f*** up their picks, they’ll f*** up their trades, and on we go with this never ending death spiral.

100% capture....

 

[wankstifier]

Well obviously, but they aren’t going to get a Zegras or a pick high enough to select that type of prospect for Scott Laughton. Sure, maybe trading Laughton would help the Flyers get closer to that type of player or prospect if they can package the return on Laughton with other assets, but you’re presenting the issue as if they have a choice between one or the other.

I think they can hold onto Laughton until the trade deadline and still get the same return for him then. And then you have a good leader in the room for most of the year to help guide our younger guys. That isn’t to say I’d be opposed to trading him now, but I don’t think it’s urgent.

I want skilled, creative, exciting players. Zegras is just an example. I know they're probably not getting a similar player out of a Laughton trade, however getting a number of high picks increases those odds. The point is, no one is buying tickets to see Scott Laughton play.