Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 6: Flyers Rumors and Mentions - Brick By Boring Brick

[Strawberry Fields]

Hill apparently was so terrible the whole of Vegas management lost faith in him. Wonder if he gets moved.

His contract kind of sucks. Hasn't stopped teams before, of course.

 

[Curufinwe]

That’s true, but Vegas are the most ruthless when it comes to dumping guys they don’t want anymore

 

[freakydallas13]

I’m going to place sizable value on a 25-30 goal, 50-55 point player

a 25-30 goal player

30 goal player

 

[Magua]

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You thinking I should’ve said 25-40?

 

[freakydallas13]

You thinking I should’ve said 25-40?

Sure, if you want to take a conservative estimate.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

That’s true, but Vegas are the most ruthless when it comes to dumping guys they don’t want anymore

I think they are better waiting a year or two and buying him out then if they trade him and throw that money at Rasmus Anderson.

 

[TheKingPin]

So you don't count the actual finals competition? Is this similar to how you don't give the GM responsibility for the outcome of the draft?

That includes the Finals. Are you saying if offered to play Vegas and not a healthy Wild, Avs, Stars team that the Canes decline?

Canes would have probably beat any of those teams.

Vegas beat the Avs rather easily. So I don’t know what the hell the argument is here.

Carolina was the best team in the playoffs. There’s no easy route in the playoffs.

The Avs were down their two best players and two of the best if not an actual best player in the world against Vegas. It showed.

Never said the canes were bad. They had an easy path to the cup. Several good teams were not even in it like Florida, Toronto, NJ. Florida being pretty big deal to the Canes. There are very much harder paths to make it in the playoffs. There are several fans from the central that would agree. The Flyers had an easier path to the finals their last run.

So if the Canes had it easy, then the Flyers weren't even close like you were touting during that series. A bounce here or there right? Took them to 5 OTs over the course of the season. Also looks like one line can really carry a team to a cup eh?

Yea there were close games against the Flyers as there were vs several other teams. They won a lot of OT games which is absolutely great for them and deserved. The Flyer had a lot of injuries - all sorts of broken bones and torn adductors. Not saying they would have won at all, I predicted them to lose in 4 actually, but it would have been more competitive aka it was easier on the canes. My argument was that their system was a large part of their success. I never said they were bad or had no chance to win the cup.

The discussion about the one line was pretty true for the most part. I think that line is awesome, but if you can figure them out you can stop a lot of their scoring. That was straight from the Canes’ board where they were worried they wouldn’t have enough juice.

The reason Vegas was where they were during the regular season was Goaltending. That's the most volatile thing and the easiest to have variance save you on in a series. No one who has a single clue how to evaluate hockey teams thinks Vegas was a bad or easy or whatever other adjective you prefer team. It's complete nonsense. And if any of us didn't adjust when Hart started getting warm, that's on us. Competent goaltending was a chasm crosser for that team.

Edmonton completely shit the bed as a team this year. By the time the playoffs kicked into gear, Colorado was beaten up to hell and back. Vegas was in every way a better team than both of them and I'd have strongly argued for them over Minnesota as well. Not as good as January Colorado for sure. But that team was long dead and buried.

Hell, Carolina had at worst the third toughest matchup in Round 1 of the good teams and that's only because Dallas and Minnesota played each other. The only easy round they had was against the guys you will argue over and over again are so damn good at their jobs. On their way to a Cup, they beat two of the five best 5v5 teams in the entire league by xGF%. If you prefer All Situations to 5v5, they beat two of the top 4 teams.

Ive been a fan for decades and always say the team that wins the cup is the best team. Can’t always say that in the nfl or some other competitions. The Canes are the best team. But if you could create a scenario that Florida does even make it and you have to beat the sens flyers Habs and a team that had more losses than wins in the finals - you are taking it. Same as Vegas would prefer to not play Makar or a healthy MacKinnon. Again, not saying the Canes are not a very a good team. They are and play an awesome style deserve to win, but they had a desirable path to win.

 

[SnS]

That includes the Finals. Are you saying if offered to play Vegas and not a healthy Wild, Avs, Stars team that the Canes decline?



The Avs were down their two best players and two of the best if not an actual best player in the world against Vegas. It showed.

Never said the canes were bad. They had an easy path to the cup. Several good teams were not even in it like Florida, Toronto, NJ. Florida being pretty big deal to the Canes. There are very much harder paths to make it in the playoffs. There are several fans from the central that would agree. The Flyers had an easier path to the finals their last run.



Yea there were close games against the Flyers as there were vs several other teams. They won a lot of OT games which is absolutely great for them and deserved. The Flyer had a lot of injuries - all sorts of broken bones and torn adductors. Not saying they would have won at all, I predicted them to lose in 4 actually, but it would have been more competitive aka it was easier on the canes. My argument was that their system was a large part of their success. I never said they were bad or had no chance to win the cup.

The discussion about the one line was pretty true for the most part. I think that line is awesome, but if you can figure them out you can stop a lot of their scoring. That was straight from the Canes’ board where they were worried they wouldn’t have enough juice.



Ive been a fan for decades and always say the team that wins the cup is the best team. Can’t always say that in the nfl or some other competitions. The Canes are the best team. But if you could create a scenario that Florida does even make it and you have to beat the sens flyers Habs and a team that had more losses than wins in the finals - you are taking it. Same as Vegas would prefer to not play Makar or a healthy MacKinnon. Again, not saying the Canes are not a very a good team. They are and play an awesome style deserve to win, but they had a desirable path to win.

We’re never going to agree on your points. They don’t even make sense. Injuries happen. Things happen. McDavid is the best player in the world and he doesn’t play for Colorado.

Great teams bounce back.

Carolina is a great team and the best team this season. You’re trying to discount their run.

Toronto failed.
Florida couldn’t overcome injuries.
Devils couldn’t beat out the flyers and penguins.

Enough is enough.

 

[MJL66]

That includes the Finals. Are you saying if offered to play Vegas and not a healthy Wild, Avs, Stars team that the Canes decline?

That's an absurd question. Completely anecdotal. Based on your replies to the other posters, it seems as though you're either not aware that Nathan McKinnon is one of the Avs two best players or that he played every playoff game.
I especially like the comment of "several of the best teams weren't even in it". Apparently you don't understand that if you don't make the playoffs, you aren't one of the best teams.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Ive been a fan for decades and always say the team that wins the cup is the best team. Can’t always say that in the nfl or some other competitions.

Ok, we're never going to agree on anything and I need to give up. I finally get it.

The NHL is the second most random major sport of the 5 most popular and it's closer to baseball than it is the field. That's not a knock on the sport. I love baseball too.

I’m not trying to diminish your fandom or the way you enjoy it. I’m glad it works for you. Hockey has a unique way of falling for the marketing like this that I just have no desire to interact with. The best team wins the Super Bowl and especially the NBA Finals far, far more often than the best team wins the Cup. The NHL essentially views that as a feature of the playoffs! They design the format to help make it true.

 

[TheKingPin]

Not sure what’s so difficult to say the canes had an easier path. The love of the canes on here is stronger than a mother to a child!

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Not sure what’s so difficult to say the canes had an easier path. The love of the canes on here is stronger than a mother to a child!

I think its more your asinine analysis that we love. Hate. I meant hate.

 

[flyersnorth]

Catering to the coach of the moment implies that the coach shouldn’t have been hired to begin with. A quality organization knows what its strengths and weaknesses are as well as what it wants to be and how to get there. It then hires a coach that can deal with that. Does this sound like the Flyers? I don’t think so either.
As a result in recent years they have had a series of coaches that get hired and go off on their own paths while they sabotage the club. Guys like AV, Tortorella and possibly Tocchet have their own agendas to the detriment of the organization. If Briere/Jones can’t control the way that their coaches abuse the skills of their players, then they should be fired as well.

If I had to guess, Brind'Amour has a huge say in who the Canes bring in. He knows the system he wants to run, and surely advises on who he believes can provide maximum value in it.

The difference - other than arguing over whether he is just a flat out "better" coach - is that the Flyers never even keep their coaches long enough to give them runway. Rod's system is like a decade in the making, tinkering, often major changes, and finally everything clicked and went their way.

Flyers would have fired Rod five years ago. And that's being generous.

Since Brind'Amour was hired in May 2018, the Flyers have had 7 coaches.

Hakstol
Gordon (interim)
Vigneault
Yeo (interim)
Tortorella
Shaw (interim)
Tocchet

 

[Strawberry Fields]

I think the Canes had a relatively "easy" path (particularly rounds 1 and 2) but I also think they were clearly the best team and the East and would've made the Finals (and probably won) no matter who they played. I really doubt Tampa or Buffalo would've fared much better against them in the CF. I think this was finally just their year.

 

[BernieParent]

It's all over the place in terms of logic. For example, he mentions Brodin from Minnesota. That would make zero sense for the Flyers, who don't need to add a 32 year old left-handed defensemen whose game is dipping already.

There isn't a single realistically available player on the Bruins team or in their pipeline I would trade Tippett for. They have zero interesting prospects after Hagens and no one on the NHL roster fits our needs.

My favourite part was potentially getting a power forward for him, which is an apparent need for the club.

 

[ajgoal]

You thinking I should’ve said 25-40?

I'm a 0-60 goal scorer in the NHL

 

[CutOnDime97]

 

[FLYguy3911]

He’s coming home.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Dude legit has crap skating and no defensive upside. He is 100% not the f***ing answer to our center woes.

 

[BiggE]

The argument that the Canes didn’t really beat anyone special to win the Cup so they aren’t really that good is one of the most asinine things I’ve heard in a while.

In 1985, Edmonton won the Cup, to reach the final, they beat:
a .500 Kings team
a good, but far from great Jets squad
a .500 Chicago team

Then, in the SCF, they played the 113 point Flyers. The Flyers however, were without top scorer Tim Kerr who was injured, and lost Vezina winning goalie Pelle Lindbergh to injury following game one. Also, key players like Dave Poulin and Mark Howe were playing through significant injuries.

I guess that means that the 84-85 Oilers, a team loaded with future hall of famers and the greatest player of all time really weren’t that good?

 

[CutOnDime97]

Dude legit has crap skating and no defensive upside. He is 100% not the f***ing answer to our center woes.

If he was on the cheap, I suppose it would be worth a dice roll.

 

[BiggE]

If he was on the cheap, I suppose it would be worth a dice roll.

No it really wouldn’t. His skill set screams winger and we already have plenty of better options on the wing.

 

[renberg]

Dude legit has crap skating and no defensive upside. He is 100% not the f***ing answer to our center woes.

He's also been part of the Duck's development program which, until very lately, has been a shit show. Both Zegras and Drysdale have dramatically improved since getting out of that system. I'm not indicating that he has great potential but do we really know what he has based on results of watching him in Anaheim?

 

[SnS]

Not sure what’s so difficult to say the canes had an easier path. The love of the canes on here is stronger than a mother to a child!

Woe is me. Oh no. Woe is me.

 

[TheKingPin]

I think its more your asinine analysis that we love. Hate. I meant hate.

I think the Canes had a relatively "easy" path (particularly rounds 1 and 2) but I also think they were clearly the best team and the East and would've made the Finals (and probably won) no matter who they played. I really doubt Tampa or Buffalo would've fared much better against them in the CF. I think this was finally just their year.

Yea that’s all I’m saying too. Not sure what the uproar is about. Never said the Canes are bad or wouldn’t have beaten better teams as well. I happen to think they don’t beat a healthy panthers team or Avs. The east was more open this year.

The argument that the Canes didn’t really beat anyone special to win the Cup so they aren’t really that good is one of the most asinine things I’ve heard in a while.

In 1985, Edmonton won the Cup, to reach the final, they beat:
a .500 Kings team
a good, but far from great Jets squad
a .500 Chicago team

Then, in the SCF, they played the 113 point Flyers. The Flyers however, were without top scorer Tim Kerr who was injured, and lost Vezina winning goalie Pelle Lindbergh to injury following game one. Also, key players like Dave Poulin and Mark Howe were playing through significant injuries.

I guess that means that the 84-85 Oilers, a team loaded with future hall of famers and the greatest player of all time really weren’t that good?

I think connection to they must not be good since they didn’t beat anyone good was materialized out of nothing as tends to happen on here. I never said that weren’t good. Just that they had an easier path which is pretty logical.

Woe is me. Oh no. Woe is me.