Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[SnS]

That may be but how are the Flyers going to obtain a 1C unless they make a move such as this proposal? It won't happen through the draft because the organization refuses to accept losses when they could assist their draft status. Drafting at 13 won't get them what they need. They need to make a deal and overpay.

I don’t see EP as a 1C. He’s at least 4M overpaid if not more.

So I guess that’s a disconnect here.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I don’t see EP as a 1C. He’s at least 4M overpaid if not more.

So I guess that’s a disconnect here.

would EP even sign here ?

or is he under contract to go anywere?

 

[Larry44]

I don’t see EP as a 1C. He’s at least 4M overpaid if not more.

So I guess that’s a disconnect here.

Agreed, Petterson is pretty well useless. He was a disgrace in the playoffs last year. Philly should only take him on a 2 week contract, because that's how long he'd last in Philly, and deservedly so.

 

[ponder719]

would EP even sign here ?

or is he under contract to go anywere?

He’s under contract for $11.6M per through the 2032 season and has no NTC or NMC protection.

 

[Curufinwe]

EP isn’t worth the extension that was given to him.

Pass.

TK isn't a center, but he's a better player with a much cheaper contract.

 

[SnS]

TK isn't a center, but he's a better player with a much cheaper contract.

Trading TK isn’t a way to get a center. But hey.

 

[Magua]

C-razy. There is no way I’d trade Konecny because it’s robbing Peter to pay Paul, but if you want to trade for a 1C because you refuse to draft high and/or stink at drafting, you only trade for one because there is a PROBLEM. Contract (enter deadhead: cap going up!), down year, “culture.”

Eichel, ROR, Seguin type trades don’t come around often, and then everyone complains about missing out while putting their hopes into the Jett Luchankos of the world. Pettersson and Barzal I would be calling about non-stop, with only a couple untouchables (Bonk obviously). Death or glory. But the Flyers always choose death — they’re cowards and Briere doesn’t want big contracts because it eats into the 4th line. I won’t lose sleep over it.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I get they haven’t done it in years & it’s a business. But lol.

 

[SnS]

C-razy. There is no way I’d trade Konecny because it’s robbing Peter to pay Paul, but if you want to trade for a 1C because you refuse to draft high and/or stink at drafting, you only trade for one because there is a PROBLEM. Contract (enter deadhead: cap going up!), down year, “culture.”

Eichel, ROR, Seguin type trades don’t come around often, and then everyone complains about missing out while putting their hopes into the Jett Luchankos of the world. Pettersson and Barzal I would be calling about non-stop, with only a couple untouchables (Bonk obviously). Death or glory. But the Flyers always choose death — they’re cowards and Briere doesn’t want big contracts because it eats into the 4th line. I won’t lose sleep over it.

Near 12M. That’s way too much money on a center who I don’t believe for a second is a 1C.

I wouldn’t give anything of value for that boat anchor of a contract.

Maybe I’m in the minority. But I just don’t see it.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

C-razy. There is no way I’d trade Konecny because it’s robbing Peter to pay Paul, but if you want to trade for a 1C because you refuse to draft high and/or stink at drafting, you only trade for one because there is a PROBLEM. Contract (enter deadhead: cap going up!), down year, “culture.”

Eichel, ROR, Seguin type trades don’t come around often, and then everyone complains about missing out while putting their hopes into the Jett Luchankos of the world. Pettersson and Barzal I would be calling about non-stop, with only a couple untouchables (Bonk obviously). Death or glory. But the Flyers always choose death — they’re cowards and Briere doesn’t want big contracts because it eats into the 4th line. I won’t lose sleep over it.

It’s also why you don’t get heart palpitations over the thought of trading players for like Laughton & Ristolainen especially when like the only strength in your organization is depth players both at the pro & prospect levels. You mitigate the cost of a player like Pettersson by moving those pieces out as they’re overvalued stocks.

But we all know the route the Flyers will go. The one that is that has there least likeliest outcome to land a player of Pettersson’s caliber.

I wouldn’t give up a Konecny in this type of deal though. Pettersson is youngish but he’s also in his prime right now so you want to strike on that right away too. I’d have no issues parting with like a Farabee, Tippett, or even York if an NHL player was required in a package.

 

[GKJ]

I get they haven’t done it in years & it’s a business. But lol.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

"Now, with the team improving and the plan to build a contender in the next 18 months commencing"

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

They use Michkov as a selling point but will the coach play him more or not?

 

[Magua]

Shrug Near 12M. That’s way too much money on a center who I don’t believe for a second is a 1C.

I wouldn’t give anything of value for that boat anchor of a contract.

Maybe I’m in the minority. But I just don’t see it.

There isn’t another center in the league scoring 90-100 points in his prime (with a career point/game) who is not a 1C. Down years are why these guys get moved.

The contract is from ages 26-33, so term isn’t an issue at either end (too short or too old). If the money lowers the price, I’m even more interested. I’d do an Eichel return in a nanosecond. The Flyers have almost nothing of importance tied up in their cap where I’m worried about salary. I just don’t have to think twice about Tippett + Farabee salary going to Pettersson. And the cap is projected to rise $4MM.

But I think the key point is this: the Flyers don’t want a big contract or a big name player. They’d talk themselves out of a MacKinnon trade.

 

[SnS]

There isn’t another center in the league scoring 90-100 points in his prime (with a career point/game) who is not a 1C. Down years are why these guys get moved.

The contract is from ages 26-33, so term isn’t an issue at either end (too short or too old). I just don’t have to think twice about Tippett + Farabee salary going directly to Pettersson. And the cap is projected to rise $4MM.

I don’t think this is just a downswing. I think this is closer to the norm for EP.

 

[scumpup]

TRADE IT ALL FOR EP SO I HAVE A REASON TO WATCH THE TEAM THANK YOU COMCAST

 

[Magua]

I don’t think this is just a downswing. I think this is closer to the norm for EP.

I just don’t know what to factually base that on other than dislike. He came into the season with more points than games played in his career. Now his norm is 60 points? I don’t know if his 102 point season is repeatable, but his norm is very much in the 80-90 range.

I know he had a knee injury late last season. His skating data looks like he’s not right now either. His 22-23 numbers are a different animal. I can’t speak to that stuff, which might swing my opinion. The drop-off right now is probably related.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

TRADE IT ALL FOR EP SO I HAVE A REASON TO WATCH THE TEAM THANK YOU COMCAST

I don’t think we’d have to worry about it anytime soon, yet somehow I don’t think we’d enjoy playoff EP.

 

[FlyguyOX]

C-razy. There is no way I’d trade Konecny because it’s robbing Peter to pay Paul, but if you want to trade for a 1C because you refuse to draft high and/or stink at drafting, you only trade for one because there is a PROBLEM. Contract (enter deadhead: cap going up!), down year, “culture.”

Eichel, ROR, Seguin type trades don’t come around often, and then everyone complains about missing out while putting their hopes into the Jett Luchankos of the world. Pettersson and Barzal I would be calling about non-stop, with only a couple untouchables (Bonk obviously). Death or glory. But the Flyers always choose death — they’re cowards and Briere doesn’t want big contracts because it eats into the 4th line. I won’t lose sleep over it.

Agree.

Have to take on risk somewhere if you're trying to acquire a 1C by means other than the draft.

 

[renberg]

C-razy. There is no way I’d trade Konecny because it’s robbing Peter to pay Paul, but if you want to trade for a 1C because you refuse to draft high and/or stink at drafting, you only trade for one because there is a PROBLEM. Contract (enter deadhead: cap going up!), down year, “culture.”

Eichel, ROR, Seguin type trades don’t come around often, and then everyone complains about missing out while putting their hopes into the Jett Luchankos of the world. Pettersson and Barzal I would be calling about non-stop, with only a couple untouchables (Bonk obviously). Death or glory. But the Flyers always choose death — they’re cowards and Briere doesn’t want big contracts because it eats into the 4th line. I won’t lose sleep over it.

You hit the nail squarely on the head. Due to Couturier's back injury and the misuse of Frost, the club is devoid of good center play. They've been reduced to scouring Europe for centers or playing left wingers out of position to fill the hole.
Their drafting for the position has been poor. They can't seem to put together a trade to obtain help at center. So night after night they go out and try to play when they are basically forfeiting the middle of the rink to their opponent.
When discussing the play of Michkov the other day, Pavel Zacha indicated that MM's play was limited because everyone knows that the Flyers play up the boards with no cross ice passes due to the lack of talent at center. The club is going nowhere until the void is fixed. EP may not e the ideal solution but its better than anyone else that they have a chance of obtaining.

 

[FlyguyOX]

There isn’t another center in the league scoring 90-100 points in his prime (with a career point/game) who is not a 1C. Down years are why these guys get moved.

The contract is from ages 26-33, so term isn’t an issue at either end (too short or too old). If the money lowers the price, I’m even more interested. I’d do an Eichel return in a nanosecond. The Flyers have almost nothing of importance tied up in their cap where I’m worried about salary. I just don’t have to think twice about Tippett + Farabee salary going to Pettersson. And the cap is projected to rise $4MM.

But I think the key point is this: the Flyers don’t want a big contract or a big name player. They’d talk themselves out of a MacKinnon trade.

Agree with everything but the last sentence.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The risk they’ll take is like trading for JT Miller since they always take the worst door possible in this scenarios.

 

[VladDrag]

I would trade for EP in a heartbeat.

 

[SnS]

I just don’t know what to factually base that on other than dislike. He came into the season with more points than games played in his career. Now his norm is 60 points? I don’t know if his 102 point season is repeatable, but his norm is very much in the 80-90 range.

I know he had a knee injury late last season. His skating data looks like he’s not right now either. His 22-23 numbers are a different animal. I can’t speak to that stuff, which might swing my opinion. The drop-off right now is probably related.

I think the 102 was not the norm, I also don’t believe he’s in the 80-90 range. I think that was a season out of the norm as well.

I think the 60 point range is about where he’ll stay for his career continuously.

If the Canucks are retaining and we’re sending unwanted salary for term to them as well, sure. Just because I do believe he is a center, and everyone knows the Flyers need centers.

 

[Magua]

The Flyers have chosen a pathway where they need to hit on a Panarin-type free agent, draft multiple elite players outside the top 10, and/or swing a once in a blue moon trade for an elite player. Probably not just one of those either to turn into an annual contender.

Not only do they not do this, but they reject it when it’s plausibly available. It’s a nonfunctional strategy by design.

Agree with everything but the last sentence.

“But like I said, when you’re not spending $12 million on a player, or even two like Edmonton does… Colorado has three or four high-end guys. We’re not going to be built that way. So depth will be important to us.”

-Briere