Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[FlyerNutter]

He took out the trash.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Torts a moron.

 

[Lord Defect]

Happy Briere hasn't done anything.
Some GMs aren't happy unless they're constantly making moves, many of which backfire.
I'd rather he'd be patient and wait for the right deal.

Realistically, few deals will be made between now and March.
I mean the biggest deal was San Jose and Colorado swapping essentially backup goalies?

 

[Adam Warlock]

Happy Briere hasn't done anything.
Some GMs aren't happy unless they're constantly making moves, many of which backfire.
I'd rather he'd be patient and wait for the right deal.

Realistically, few deals will be made between now and March.
I mean the biggest deal was San Jose and Colorado swapping essentially backup goalies?

But what exactly is "the plan?".

If its to compete with guys like TK, Couts, and Sanheim as major contributors... then they need to fill hole sooner rather than later. The guys they draft in 2025 are probably 4-5 years at least away from contributing... so he needs to make some kind of a move soon.

If theres no time limit...then why resign TK at all?

Its the lack of a clear plan thats frustrating. It just seems like their only focus is "culture"

 

[deadhead]

But what exactly is "the plan?".

If its to compete with guys like TK, Couts, and Sanheim as major contributors... then they need to fill hole sooner rather than later. The guys they draft in 2025 are probably 4-5 years at least away from contributing... so he needs to make some kind of a move soon.

If theres no time limit...then why resign TK at all?

Its the lack of a clear plan thats frustrating. It just seems like their only focus is "culture"

The 1st rd picks should be 2-3 years away, which is why I think they're still targeting the 2027-28 season. 2nd rd picks might take 4-5 years, but they're mostly bottom six depth anyway.

2025-26: Jett starts, Bonk, Barkey, Sotheran, Bjarnason, maybe Knuble, Bump in AHL to start the season.
2026-27: The guys with a year in the AHL compete for jobs, Gill et al in AHL.
2027-28: First rd picks from 2025 start the season in the AHL if they don't win jobs in camp

As they build up proven depth, the option for a consolidation trade will present itself (a starter, a prospect and a draft pick, for example)..

Key this season is to watch Frost and Cates lines, if they can sustain this play, then next year Jett at center, Couts moves to LW. Draft/trade for more centers. Eventually Poehling leaves, Cates to 4C . . .

 

[renberg]

The 1st rd picks should be 2-3 years away, which is why I think they're still targeting the 2027-28 season. 2nd rd picks might take 4-5 years, but they're mostly bottom six depth anyway.

2025-26: Jett starts, Bonk, Barkey, Sotheran, Bjarnason, maybe Knuble, Bump in AHL to start the season.
2026-27: The guys with a year in the AHL compete for jobs, Gill et al in AHL.
2027-28: First rd picks from 2025 start the season in the AHL if they don't win jobs in camp

As they build up proven depth, the option for a consolidation trade will present itself (a starter, a prospect and a draft pick, for example)..

Key this season is to watch Frost and Cates lines, if they can sustain this play, then next year Jett at center, Couts moves to LW. Draft/trade for more centers. Eventually Poehling leaves, Cates to 4C .

This was the season to push for a low draft position. There are several quality future center ice prospects. As a result of allowing Tortorella to push for the POs, the club will finish middle of the pack and not have the draft position that they need for the future. We saw June's draft that clubs will not trade out of the top five slots or even the top ten. There won't be any quality young centers coming to play for the Flyers in three or four years.

 

[Adam Warlock]

The 1st rd picks should be 2-3 years away, which is why I think they're still targeting the 2027-28 season. 2nd rd picks might take 4-5 years, but they're mostly bottom six depth anyway.

2025-26: Jett starts, Bonk, Barkey, Sotheran, Bjarnason, maybe Knuble, Bump in AHL to start the season.
2026-27: The guys with a year in the AHL compete for jobs, Gill et al in AHL.
2027-28: First rd picks from 2025 start the season in the AHL if they don't win jobs in camp

As they build up proven depth, the option for a consolidation trade will present itself (a starter, a prospect and a draft pick, for example)..

Key this season is to watch Frost and Cates lines, if they can sustain this play, then next year Jett at center, Couts moves to LW. Draft/trade for more centers. Eventually Poehling leaves, Cates to 4C . . .

So by 2028-2029...you have prime Michkov with over the hill old players like TK, Sanheim, and Coots....and a bunch of young kids who are in the league but still a few years away form their prime?

I just dont see how thats building a winning team.

They have obvious holes and if the answer to filling them is through the draft, then they needed to move on from some vets bc this is gonna take a lot longer. Remember just bc a guy is the nhl at 21, doesnt mean hes contributing the way they need him too. Bonk may be a solid top 4 dman on a cup contender, but he may not got there until 25-26 years old.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think if Torts gave a detailed answer, it would go something like this:

"The Michigan really isn't any different than a wrap around shot, there might be a little more space higher up with some goalies who don't hug the post, but also harder to control the puck with this play. And how often are wrap around shots successful? How often do you lose possession? Whereas if you look for a scoring opportunity you might find a teammate with a better shot angle. Or if Michkov can move a few feet he can open up a "bad" angle shot, which he's shown is only a bad angle for mere mortals."

These plays are really plays of opportunity, once in a while you'll catch a goalie being lazy or slow to get over and take him by surprise, but they won't work on a regular basis. But it's not a bad idea for a player as skilled as Michkov (no Brink, you're not elite) to try it simply b/c it puts it in the back of the mind of the goalie and the nearest D-man, which may open up a passing or skating lane if they try to take it away.

I expect Michkov to eventually make it work, and Torts will probably be rolling with laughter.
Anyone else tries it and they'll probably be benched for good reason.

He told us exactly what he thinks, numerous times. He hasn't been an enigma on this kind of thing. You aren't clarifying you are obfuscating.

 

[deadhead]

2028-29:
Jett (22), Michkov (23), Brink (27), Foerster (27), Farabee (28), Tippett (29), Frost (29), Cates (29), TK (31), Couts (36)
Bonk (23), Andrae (26), Drysdale (26), York (28), Zamula (28), Sanheim (32)
Kolosov (27), Ersson (29)

Longer shots:
Berglund (22), Barkey (23), Knuble (24), Ciernak (24), Tuomaala (25), Bump (25), Rizzo (27)
Gill (22), Sotheran (23), Samson (25), McDonald (26), Grans (26)
Zavragin (23), Bjarnason (23)

 

[Adam Warlock]

2028-29:
Jett (22), Michkov (23), Brink (27), Foerster (27), Farabee (28), Tippett (29), Frost (29), Cates (29), TK (31), Couts (36)
Bonk (23), Andrae (26), Drysdale (26), York (28), Zamula (28), Sanheim (32)
Kolosov (27), Ersson (29)

Longer shots:
Berglund (22), Barkey (23), Knuble (24), Ciernak (24), Tuomaala (25), Bump (25), Rizzo (27)
Gill (22), Sotheran (23), Samson (25), McDonald (26), Grans (26)
Zavragin (23), Bjarnason (23)

You honestly think thats a cup contending roster?????

Its basically what they have now. Itd be running it back for the next 5 years except for the occasional rookie breaking in. That would he completely unacceptable.

 

[Beef Invictus]

2028-29:
Jett (22), Michkov (23), Brink (27), Foerster (27), Farabee (28), Tippett (29), Frost (29), Cates (29), TK (31), Couts (36)
Bonk (23), Andrae (26), Drysdale (26), York (28), Zamula (28), Sanheim (32)
Kolosov (27), Ersson (29)

Longer shots:
Berglund (22), Barkey (23), Knuble (24), Ciernak (24), Tuomaala (25), Bump (25), Rizzo (27)
Gill (22), Sotheran (23), Samson (25), McDonald (26), Grans (26)
Zavragin (23), Bjarnason (23)

Looks pretty awful

 

[deadhead]

We'll see. Point is other than Couts, don't see anyone aging out the next five years, that gives you time to get some additional players and build up depth to eventually replace players next decade.

That's a solid base given (3) 1sts, (3) 2nds in 2025, 1st and 2nd in 2026 and whatever they get in trade for Laughton and Risto.

Which long shots emerge?

But if you have a surplus forward or two, a surplus goalie, etc. you can put together a nice package targeting a top level player.

 

[FlyerNutter]

More exciting lineup at the checkout line for Wal Mart.

 

[Tripod]

If it's one thing the Flyers do, is have long shots emerge.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We'll see. Point is other than Couts, don't see anyone aging out the next five years, that gives you time to get some additional players and build up depth to eventually replace players next decade.

That's a solid base given (3) 1sts, (3) 2nds in 2025, 1st and 2nd in 2026 and whatever they get in trade for Laughton and Risto.

Which long shots emerge?

But if you have a surplus forward or two, a surplus goalie, etc. you can put together a nice package targeting a top level player.

Aging out isn't a problem compared to a fundamental lack of talent