Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[JojoTheWhale]

I cannot believe Jeff Stoutland was brought up in the same breath as this goof. That's a world class tactician famous for getting along with the entire rainbow of personalities and being open and honest with players.

You cannot find a better example of who gets what it means to act like an adult vs a petulant child.

 

[Curufinwe]

How many other teams have had 2 high profile prospects who have yet to play an NHL game publicly refuse to play for their team in less than a year?


He's the most hated coach as voted by the players.

He wasn't a part of the last team of his to win a cup's reunion.

His last real playoff success was 20 years ago.

The list of players beefing with him and the Flyers is huge and gets longer every year.

And you're out here telling us how good a human he is, and that he likes dogs? This is the kind of intellectually bankrupt fluff piece you would expect from someone within the team's tightly restricted media. No one cares that Torts like dogs when most other aspects of his personality are dog shit.

Liking dogs is the default. Now if you're reporting on a public figure who has never owned a dog, hates dogs, and use the word dog as an insult for certain people where he can't always use his preferred word, then that's newsworthy.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Now you can say it is/was misguided but people like Briere & Jones always made mention of Kolosov as a potential piece going forward along with some other prospects when they would do radio &/or podcast spots. So they clearly valued him to a pretty noticeable degree prior to this summer.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I cannot believe Jeff Stoutland was brought up in the same breath as this goof. That's a world class tactician famous for getting along with the entire rainbow of personalities and being open and honest with players.

You cannot find a better example of who gets what it means to act like an adult vs a petulant child.

"Any player, coach, or Front Office person in the Flyers org" (Deady's algorithm) = a completely un-comparable person in another org.

Typically, the non comparable parts come in terms of overall success.

That algorithm might be our only hope against the pending AI uprising. No logical brain can comprehend it without melting down.

 

[deadhead]

I cannot believe Jeff Stoutland was brought up in the same breath as this goof. That's a world class tactician famous for getting along with the entire rainbow of personalities and being open and honest with players.

You cannot find a better example of who gets what it means to act like an adult vs a petulant child.

Eagles cycle through a lot of OL each year, you think they're all receptive to Stoutland, or does he weed out the ones who won't take to hard coaching?

Now, difference is most NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, or only for a short period, so it's easier to weed out players. I think that insecurity also makes it easier to motivate NFL players, while guaranteed money leads some NHL players to resent being pushed out of their comfort zone (I'll out last the coach).

When you look at the players who didn't get along with Torts, practically all of them played worse away from him, Dubinsky out of league, Johansen a cancer where ever he went and so on.

AV was a much bigger asshole, once in his doghouse it was over for a player (ask Ghost, Voracek, et al). Gallant was such a schmuck he couldn't last 3 years with three different teams.

Everyone seems to be in Tort's doghouse at some point, but two weeks later it's ancient history (unless you screw up again). He's old school in that he likes to push players out of their comfort zone, but he's not a Buddy Ryan or Chip Kelly type bully.

 

[Curufinwe]

Torts is like Fergie.

If Sir Alex if he won a single title in 25 years.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Eagles cycle through a lot of OL each year, you think they're all receptive to Stoutland, or does he weed out the ones who won't take to hard coaching?

Now, difference is most NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, or only for a short period, so it's easier to weed out players. I think that insecurity also makes it easier to motivate NFL players, while guaranteed money leads some NHL players to resent being pushed out of their comfort zone (I'll out last the coach).

When you look at the players who didn't get along with Torts, practically all of them played worse away from him, Dubinsky out of league, Johansen a cancer where ever he went and so on.

AV was a much bigger asshole, once in his doghouse it was over for a player (ask Ghost, Voracek, et al). Gallant was such a schmuck he couldn't last 3 years with three different teams.

Everyone seems to be in Tort's doghouse at some point, but two weeks later it's ancient history (unless you screw up again). He's old school in that he likes to push players out of their comfort zone, but he's not a Buddy Ryan or Chip Kelly type bully.

More BS you're spewing.

 

[freakydallas13]

Since when was a 3rd rd pick "a high profile prospect"? Exaggerate much?

Pedantic distinction without addressing the substance of my claim.

Torts had more playoff success in CBJ than Toronto has had the past eight seasons.
Got to 2nd rd twice, made PO four staight seasons until idiot GM deep sixed the franchise.
NYR, got to CF, 2nd rd in 3 seasons.

Torts has a playoff record of 35 and 51 since his cup win, which is entirely mediocre (some might call it bad).

 

[GapToothedWonder]

The strong man approach has been going on in the organization for years. It's old school hockey that should have passed away decades ago. I don't see much evidence of Briere having that type of attitude. If the strong man vibe is carrying on here, IMO, the culprit is Tortorella. I'd venture that Briere and Jones do have a clue as to how to manage a club in the modern era. They played in other organizations and are not that far removed from being in the game. Torts not at all.
Tortorella is the epitome of old school and prides himself in being that. He'll probably listen to what others have to offer and then say **** it, I'm doing it my way. He enjoys fighting with players in order to teach them how to play the game his "right way", even though that gets him fired in job after job. In the end that alienates his team and they revolt.
Tortorella will pull his crap with Michkov. It's already started with silliness about how "MM needs to learn what he can and can not do in the NHL". The best thing that can happen for the Flyers is if the rest of the team stands behind MM when Tortorella goes after him. He's already run over so many of the players in the locker room it's hard to believe that they won't support MM. The sooner that the cancer that is Tortorella is excised from the organization the better. It will not improve until he is gone. If anyone has any doubts about this check with Tampa Bay, Vancouver, New York Rangers and Columbus.

Keith Jones hasn't played professional hockey in over 2 decades. There are multiple players on the team that weren't born the last time he played a pro game.

He is very removed.

 

[deadhead]

Keith Jones hasn't played professional hockey in over 2 decades. There are multiple players on the team that weren't born the last time he played a pro game.

He is very removed.

As an national media guy, Jones is very aware what everyone is doing around the league. He hasn't been buried in a "Flyers' cocoon."

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Keith Jones hasn't played professional hockey in over 2 decades. There are multiple players on the team that weren't born the last time he played a pro game.

He is very removed.

even if you think he understands hockey.. he doesnt have anything to offer about modern winning hockey.. he still fighting n grinding is what wins...

 

[Appleyard]

Torts is like Fergie.

If Sir Alex if he won a single title in 25 years.

And if Sir Alex had been managing Derby County at the time... who coincidentally have 2x "Premier leagues" too... the last of which was in 1975.

(tbf relative to football the Flyers are better than Derby County due to length of history... but I mean, maybe more like Newcastle or Leeds or Notts Forrest team size wise)

 

[renberg]

even if you think he understands hockey.. he doesnt have anything to offer about modern winning hockey.. he still fighting n grinding is what wins...

When he was hired, I assumed that Jones job was to work with the media and do PR. He does know some people around the league so he might be a liaison for the Flyers with other clubs from time to time. If he’s being counted on to do more than that, it’s a mistake. Still he has been around the game lately more than some of the dinos in the organization.

 

[freakydallas13]

As an national media guy, Jones is very aware what everyone is doing around the league. He hasn't been buried in a "Flyers' cocoon."

Citation needed.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

As an national media guy, Jones is very aware what everyone is doing around the league. He hasn't been buried in a "Flyers' cocoon."

Yet he shows very little if any signs of this. In terms of how the new era of orange operates.

 

[deadhead]

When he was hired, I assumed that Jones job was to work with the media and do PR. He does know some people around the league so he might be a liaison for the Flyers with other clubs from time to time. If he’s being counted on to do more than that, it’s a mistake. Still he has been around the game lately more than some of the dinos in the organization.

They seem to have a well defined roles.
Torts coaches, Briere handles GM duties, Jones is the public face and liaisons with other clubs.

Torts doesn't seem to be interested in personnel decisions other than getting rid of players he doesn't think will work and providing general guidance in terms of what he wants from players.

Briere has handled all the trades. He handles contracts, but probably needs big money to be approved. That's SOP for most sports teams.

Jones handles the media and Hilferty.

So far, they seem to be on the same page and there is no hint of major disagreements.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Good for them being united as they nosedive the plane into a water treatment plant

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

They also were given the edict to not go against Torts when they were hired sooo….

 

[FlyerNutter]

They seem to have a well defined roles.
Torts coaches, Briere handles GM duties, Jones is the public face and liaisons with other clubs.

Torts doesn't seem to be interested in personnel decisions other than getting rid of players he doesn't think will work and providing general guidance in terms of what he wants from players.

Briere has handled all the trades. He handles contracts, but probably needs big money to be approved. That's SOP for most sports teams.

Jones handles the media and Hilferty.

So far, they seem to be on the same page and there is no hint of major disagreements.

The messaging, gaslighting, and optics is on point.

Soon we will hear how they also beat Medicare

 

[blackjackmulligan]

They seem to have a well defined roles.
Torts coaches, Briere handles GM duties, Jones is the public face and liaisons with other clubs.

Torts doesn't seem to be interested in personnel decisions other than getting rid of players he doesn't think will work and providing general guidance in terms of what he wants from players.

Briere has handled all the trades. He handles contracts, but probably needs big money to be approved. That's SOP for most sports teams.

Jones handles the media and Hilferty.

So far, they seem to be on the same page and there is no hint of major disagreements.

You forgot to add that Torts is the CO-GM at the NHL level. He has input/say in trades. That is 100% fact.

False.

Yep on a road to nowhere.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You forgot to add that Torts is the CO-GM at the NHL level. He has input/say in trades. That is 100% fact.

False.

Yep on a road to nowhere.

He also interferes with player signings

 

[blackjackmulligan]

He also interferes with player signings

How so and who? You referring to GH?

Do not recall him being involved in that end. Though wouldn't be surprising.

 

[deadhead]

You forgot to add that Torts is the CO-GM at the NHL level. He has input/say in trades. That is 100% fact.

False.

Yep on a road to nowhere.

He is not the Co-GM.

Of course he has input in trades and NHL roster decisions, teams where the HC and GM don't work together in roster building are usually highly dysfunctional in any sport.

There's simply no hint of disagreement over general philosophy.
They want an up tempo team that can skate, aggressively forechecks, creates offense off the rush, prioritizes hockey IQ.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Minimizes playmaking

 

[blackjackmulligan]

He is not the Co-GM.

Of course he has input in trades and NHL roster decisions, teams where the HC and GM don't work together in roster building are usually highly dysfunctional in any sport.

There's simply no hint of disagreement over general philosophy.
They want an up tempo team that can skate, aggressively forechecks, creates offense off the rush, prioritizes hockey IQ.

He is the CO-GM at the NHL level. That's a fact,

No one said they shouldn't work together. How many coaches have say/input on trades?

No hint of disagreement means what? They are all on the same page that will lead to where they been the last decade plus. How exciting. In bold is the problem. Amazes me how you defend every regime despite shitty results.