Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 2, More Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions: Say It Like You Mean It

[Magua]

Why not just move up a smidge for Catton? Or is this literally just because he's russian (and good)

Mr. Boat, I couldn't agree more. Demidov might very well be the 2nd best in the class, but the difference between him and Catton (or Buium, etc.) is not that haul. I don't really care about the Russian angle. This is my out on a limb take, looking either very smart or dumb: Connelly is a top 5 player in this draft, with real non-dreamy superstar potential, and he will be available in the mid-late teens. The Flyers could leave this draft with a co-star to Michkov, spending something large, small, or nothing. Leaving with a floorish middle 6/2nd pair upside guy is also their choice.

 

[PALE PWNR]

What is the historic precedent/value for a move from 12 to 4? It seems like these trades happen way less often in hockey.

PuckPedia Perri Pick Value Calculator | Puckpedia this can help probably? Calculated using previous draft pick trades I believe

 

[FlyTimmo]

Mr. Boat, I couldn't agree more. Demidov might very well be the 2nd best in the class, but the difference between him and Catton (or Buium, etc.) is not that haul. I don't really care about the Russian angle. This is my out on a limb take, looking either very smart or dumb: Connelly is a top 5 player in this draft, with real non-dreamy superstar potential, and he will be available in the mid-late teens.

But is he a good boy who will help the culture?

 

[Magua]

But is he a good boy who will help the culture?

Legitimately, I don't know. I do know a team like the Eagles would put their homework in like they did with Carter. Maybe he deserves the red flag. I've just watched a handful of games, and his tape is explosive. And I'm generally conservative with this. I can't speak to more than that.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Heard a hot take that Connelly might not even go in the first lol.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Isn't that your plan anyway?

Now you can’t stow away.

 

[BiggE]

Legitimately, I don't know. I do know a team like the Eagles would put their homework in like they did with Carter. Maybe he deserves the red flag. I've just watched a handful of games, and his tape is explosive. And I'm generally conservative with this. I can't speak to more than that.

The Flyers consider knowing a players height, weight and how many shots he’s blocked as doing their due diligence.

I firmly expect to be disappointed tomorrow. If I manage to upgrade to feeling ambivalent, I’ll call that a win.

 

[FlyTimmo]

Heard a hot take that Connelly might not even go in the first lol.

I read that 22 teams interviewed him at the combine. If none of those teams are willing to take a shot on him, maybe there are actual red flags. IDK

 

[FlyerNutter]

Read on Lindstroms injury history.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I read that 22 teams interviewed him at the combine. If none of those teams are willing to take a shot on him, maybe there are actual red flags. IDK

Katie Strang did an article a while back. Good luck extricating the truth here. We know he bounced from team to team quite a bit. There were clearly incidents years ago and they included his teammates. The swastika picture definitely happened. There may or may not have been a racial thing.

All I can say is that I hope he grew up. I want that for everyone.

 

[FLYguy3911]

He also took that major penalty in the u18 final that pretty much lost them the gold. Last impression and all that...

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Didn’t the current organization do their due diligence/homework last year and knew the #2 consensus pick wanted to be a flyer and stole him? Secret meetings as mm let it be known to other teams he’d be in Russia for 3 years. Almost seems like this management team was tipped off to the fact what transpired was a possibility. Did they really fail “miserably”

Yes they failed miserably in the context of never commiting to a rebuild. Trying to culture their way to more wins when everyone can see that they lack high end talent. Now they are prepared to have less assets to move up in draft order, somewhere they could of been already without the stupid attempt to make the playoffs. If they can keep #12 and move up then I'd consider it a good move.

And let's not pretend the org did anything special to land Michkov. He basically landed in their laps. The fact that they attempted to trade up to get him is the only positive sign that it's not all mush for brains up there. If they had committed harder to a rebuild they wouldn't have had to count on so many dominoes falling to land Michkov

 

[Jettany]

Yes they failed miserably in the context of never commiting to a rebuild. Trying to culture their way to more wins when everyone can see that they lack high end talent. Now they are prepared to have less assets to move up in draft order, somewhere they could of been already without the stupid attempt to make the playoffs. If they can keep #12 and move up then I'd consider it a good move.

And let's not pretend the org did anything special to land Michkov. He basically landed in their laps. The fact that they attempted to trade up to get him is the only positive sign that it's not all mush for brains up there. If they had committed harder to a rebuild they wouldn't have had to count on so many dominoes falling to land Michkov

They didn’t do anything other than being the flyers. Where MM said he wanted to play. And their secret meeting a year ago seems to have been positive. If he was the consensus #2 didn’t he fall into the laps of #3-#6? Yet not selected. The word was out on where he wanted to go.

 

[Kshahdoo]

But is he a good boy who will help the culture?

He's Michkov's friend...

 

[trostol]

Katie Strang did an article a while back. Good luck extricating the truth here. We know he bounced from team to team quite a bit. There were clearly incidents years ago and they included his teammates. The swastika picture definitely happened. There may or may not have been a racial thing.

All I can say is that I hope he grew up. I want that for everyone.

Sounds like someone they should stay away from..so they'll probably trade up for him lol

 

[CerpinTaxt]

They didn’t do anything other than being the flyers. Where MM said he wanted to play. And their secret meeting a year ago seems to have been positive. If he was the consensus #2 didn’t he fall into the laps of #3-#6? Yet not selected. The word was out on where he wanted to go.

Yea again he fell into their laps so they didn't do anything special in order to draft him. If they viewed him as a top 5 talent (saying this based off attempting to trade with Montreal to pick him) then they should have put themselves in a position to be able to pick him when their time came up. They didn't do that cause culture is more important to them. The fact that Michkov had his mind set on being a Flyer is puzzling to say the least. We aren't talking about the Flyers of the 90s-2000s, this team has been miserable for the last 12 years (wasn't their a 5th overall pick who just decided not to play for the team recently?)

 

[Magua]

I read that 22 teams interviewed him at the combine. If none of those teams are willing to take a shot on him, maybe there are actual red flags. IDK

The Canadiens selected in the 1st round a convicted sex criminal, during his draft year, who actually renounced himself from the draft. Connelly is going to Providence College next year and isn't remotely a criminal. If McKenzie's scouts had him 15, that's also NHL noise. But he could fall.

Like Jojo said, that Athletic article was varyingly Schrödinger's Cat when it came to looking at him as victim or victimizer. I don't want an unmitigated piece of shit on the team for which I root. I take the teammate swastika photo as seriously as anyone; hate or dumb taboo flirting, I don't know. As far as I'm aware, he's kept his nose clean for a couple years and put in volunteer work to better himself. Did he? I think as Flyers fans we cynically understand the difference between private and public personas, so I accept my ignorance.

 

[mr figgles]

What is the historic precedent/value for a move from 12 to 4? It seems like these trades happen way less often in hockey.

The Flyers got 4 in 2002 for Fedotenko and 2 2nds. I’ll be nice and give them Brink, 32, and the Colorado 1st.

 

[BillDineen]

Seems pretty clear Briere's plan is to get 3 high end guys these 3 drafts and at the same time be an attractive destination for FAs to sign after to compete in 5 years. He is choosing to have extra firsts to move up rather than just bottom out.

While it may not work, it is certainly better than relying on 17 calls, a trade app, and random chance. We'll see

 

[trostol]

anyone have any sort of indication who they would have taken if MM was already gone?

 

[Rebel247]

How does Margiepane trade impact Laughton value?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

anyone have any sort of indication who they would have taken if MM was already gone?

Probably Reinbacher given that they were going to trade Gauthier for the pick to use him.

 

[TheKingPin]

MM I want you to call Ivan and let him know to tell the top 11 teams in the draft that he won't come to the US for them. Thanks

He sure isn’t going to want to play in Ohio.

 

[Danko]

anyone have any sort of indication who they would have taken if MM was already gone?

I thought it was going to be Ryan Leonard

 

[Hextallent63]

Didn’t the current organization do their due diligence/homework last year and knew the #2 consensus pick wanted to be a flyer and stole him? Secret meetings as mm let it be known to other teams he’d be in Russia for 3 years. Almost seems like this management team was tipped off to the fact what transpired was a possibility. Did they really fail “miserably”