The Worst player since the last lockout(04-05) for the Leafs?

[Joey Hoser]

Never had a Rielly because JFJ was capable of almost taking the team to the playoffs...hence middle of the round picks.

Burke has driven the team into the sewer despite doing everything he can to beat JFJ's record.

You're right. Burke can't be the worst player because he isn't a player. He's just been the worst GM for the Leafs in their entire history. Off-topic.

JFJ inherited a good team that got progressively worse under his control. I can't think of a single deal he made that actually helped this team at the time or for the future, and by the time he left there was virtually nothing for the next GM to work with.

Burke, while even worse in the standings, has actually made some savvy moves that put some pieces in place that the next GM would reap the benefits of, like Gardiner, Lupul and Phaneuf who are all more valuable than any player the Leafs had when he got here.

Standings aside, if you were to take over as Leafs GM, would you prefer the team and prospect system that JFJ left the Leafs with, or with what Burke has right now?

 

[The Blue Devil]

Never had a Rielly because JFJ was capable of almost taking the team to the playoffs...hence middle of the round picks.

Burke has driven the team into the sewer despite doing everything he can to beat JFJ's record.

You're right. Burke can't be the worst player because he isn't a player. He's just been the worst GM for the Leafs in their entire history. Off-topic.

I'm sure taking over having players like Sundin, Kaberle, McCabe, Tucker etc already their made it oh so difficult to almost make the playoffs.

 

[HockeyThoughts]

Tier 1: Lebda, Lombardi, Mitchell, Wozniewski

Tier 2: Komisarek, Hollweg, Raycroft

Tier 3: Finger, Toskala

 

[ULF_55]

JFJ inherited a good team that got progressively worse under his control. I can't think of a single deal he made that actually helped this team at the time or for the future, and by the time he left there was virtually nothing for the next GM to work with.

Burke, while even worse in the standings, has actually made some savvy moves that put some pieces in place that the next GM would reap the benefits of, like Gardiner, Lupul and Phaneuf who are all more valuable than any player the Leafs had when he got here.

Standings aside, if you were to take over as Leafs GM, would you prefer the team and prospect system that JFJ left the Leafs with, or with what Burke has right now?

Two different goals were given to these GM's though.

JFj had to make the playoffs and was not allowed to rebuild. He told MLSE it was required, something that everyone knew except there is more money in the playoffs. Greed is good.
Burke hasn't had to have any success, so I guess he's accomplishted that.

Would you expect to have top prospects picking in the top 2-9 or picking picking 13th. - 24th?

 

[dougieg93]

I feel strongly about Jason Allison - I couldn't stand watching the guy play and was relieved when he was injured for the season. We started winning again right after that too, coincidence?

 

[MapleReef]

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Along with a stellar .894% save percentage and an amazing 2.99 GAA, right?

Such a joke the 2009-10 team was, remember Primeau and Exelby? Omg..

No kidding eh!

 

[ForSpareParts*]

1. Toskala
2. Komi
3. Kaberle (i'm sorry, but he was soft and predictable on the PP. he wasn't as good a player post lock-out)
4. Wallin
5. Joey Macdonald

 

[Schenn]

There are too many to choose from.

 

[hockeyfanz*]

Should make a rule though for this.

Guys who have actually spent a whole season here.

No AHL pluggers allowed.

Tough question as there definitely have been some doozies

Amongst the most useless was Ricard Wallin. But honorable mention to Mike Komisarek and Colby Armstrong. Vesa Toskala in his nosedive crash and burn season.

 

[Bomber0104]

Tough question as there definitely have been some doozies

Amongst the most useless was Ricard Wallin. But honorable mention to Mike Komisarek and Colby Armstrong. Vesa Toskala in his nosedive crash and burn season.

Those are the tops in my book (for guys who have actually spent at least a season here)

Any time I need a pick me up I just go on Youtube and watch these:





And remind myself that there is still another season of Komisarek blunders to come.

 

[exporta]

In no particular order

Jason Allison
Brett Lebda
Rickard Wallin
Toskala
Hollweg

Boyd Deveraux earns a special spot for denying us Brayden Schenn with his season ending hat trick

Surely someone who was near point per game, during one of our closest runs to the post season post 2004-05, was not the *worst* player on the team.

This thread asks for the worst player, not the most disliked, or effective players with big flaws.

 

[JoeyBeans]

Komisarek

 

[ULF_55]

Hollweg
Primeau
Mayers
Finger

 

[Mess]

I despised Jason Blake, while he wasn't the worst player statistically he was the most disliked by me.

The list of worst is longer than the list of best as there are no shortage of bad signing and bad trades post lockout by the Leafs.

 

[gordonshumway]

3. Kaberle (i'm sorry, but he was soft and predictable on the PP. he wasn't as good a player post lock-out)

Seriously!?? He was so terrible post-lockout, especially in 2005/06 when he scored 67 points, or the next year when he scored 58, or even the brutal 2009/10 year when he still managed 49 points. <grin>

Give your head a shake. There's no debating the guy was soft, but most of the time the offensive dmen are. He's still one of the best late round picks Leafs made in the last 30 years and doesn't deserve to be on this list of pylons.

 

[mcleex]

Jason Blake AINEC

god that was terrible especially if you factor in his contract

 

[LeafsNation75]

I would have to say it's Vesa Toskala.

However I would also give honorable mentions to Brett Lebda, Ryan Hollweg, Jason Blake, Andrew Raycroft and Aki Berg.

 

[bunjay]

Nonsense. Clearly you haven't watched the games he played in, then.

Incorrect. I watched the games, I saw a guy who could barely skate, couldn't pass, couldn't score, got owned along the boards, sucked on the PK, and who seemed to put more effort into giving funny interviews than actually being a good player for the Leafs.

And he wasn't a good 'agitator' either. He was irrelevant on the ice and everybody playing against him knew it. His attempts to run people mostly failed, and his cheapshots were as pathetic as ever.

 

[Ed Belfour]

Komisarek by far.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Would you expect to have top prospects picking in the top 2-9 or picking picking 13th. - 24th?

2-9 of course, but that's why I purposefully neglected to mention Kadri and Rielly, and did mention the assets he basically pulled out of his ass.

Even without those two, I'd still take Burke's group over JFJ's.

 

[LV*]

Jason Blake
Andrew Raycroft
Vesa Toskala
John Mitchell
Niklas Hagman
Lee Stempniak
Brett Lebda

Hagman wasn't bad at all, lmao.

 

[hockeyfanz*]

Fletcher's dysfunction trumps both.

LOL.......Fletcher's as-semblance of a hockey team is the greatest I have seen in my lifetime..Burke and JFJ are both jokes compared to the contender built by Trader Cliff who brought Toronto two of the greatest captains in the history of the franchise. Who has either of Burke or JFJ brought to Toronto even remotely close to Dougie and Mats?

 

[charliolemieux]

Yu do realize the offer for Sundin was Grabovski, Higgins and a 2nd or 1st right? The rest is just an assumption that the other 4 followed suit, but far from fact.

Answer to this thread would be lundmark, Lebda or wallin

That was MTL's offer.
Which is a decent offer at the time. But had Sundin waived his NTC who knows what the bidding war could have brought.

 

[charliolemieux]

So you're saying that Tucker, McCabe, Kubina and Kaberle were grown men who couldn't make their own decisions without seeing what Mats Sundin would do first?

At the end of the day, the Leafs got rid of all of them. Maybe if we didn't have senile old Fletcher in charge they could have gotten something more for McCabe and Kubina had he not driven his trade value into the ground with the whole media campaign.

Or maybe we can blame JFJ for inventing NMCs in the first place.

In hindsight, maybe the Leafs would have been better off and had a smoother transition had they simply held onto those players.

I am saying that had Sundin left it would have signaled the end of the era and they would have followed him out of town.

Keep Tucker, McCabe, Kubina and Kaberle? No thank you.

 

[Commander Clueless]

Those are the tops in my book (for guys who have actually spent at least a season here)

Any time I need a pick me up I just go on Youtube and watch these:





And remind myself that there is still another season of Komisarek blunders to come.

Admittedly the first one is a really bad mistake by Komisarek with a terrible attempt at a pass.

However, I don't understand the headbutt one. That is Komisarek doing his job clearing the crease and having a puck go off his head.

Shots banking in off defenseman happens often enough.

Komi has been awful for Toronto though. Hopefully he can do better in a more defensive system. Otherwise, its probably time for him to move on.