The Worst player since the last lockout(04-05) for the Leafs?

[Brymas McCaberle]

Anyone remember Alex Khavanov?

 

[Warden of the North]

Jamie Lundmark

Forgot about that!

Heres another

Alexander Suglobov.

 

[SprDaVE]

Wallin, Lebda and Toskala.

 

[Duke Silver]

he did have 37 wins one season

Because he played 72 games.

 

[Bomber0104]

No way Komi is the worst...

IMO it has to be a close between Ledba and Toskala.

Toskala has the 100 ft goal, and Lebda, I remember he had a game where the Leafs had like 7 goals (or something, I'm sure someone can correct me) everyone was + and Ledba was somehow -3 haha.

Komisarek has been nothing short of a disaster.

While he should be in the pressbox (on a last placed team), we have to watch him make an idiot of himself night in and out.

I mean, I honestly can't think of one good thing he's done on the ice. Ever.

If he were an honorable person, he would tear up his contract, turn in his jersey, and just retire and do us all a huge favor.

 

[ULF_55]

Yu do realize the offer for Sundin was Grabovski, Higgins and a 2nd or 1st right? The rest is just an assumption that the other 4 followed suit, but far from fact.

Answer to this thread would be lundmark, Lebda or wallin

They might also want to remember Ron Wilson said he didn't want Sundin back.

 

[ULF_55]

I am saying Sundin was the Captain. ANd the other waited to see what he has doing.
If Sundin had waived every one else would have done the same. What's the point in staying?

As far as the total return. I would be thinking somewhere in the neighbourhood of 3-4 1st round picks and 3-6 prospects and lower picks.

Might have helped the rebuild. Might have stopped the Rask deal and the Toskala deal.

They believed they could still make the playoffs.

What we need are more quitters.

 

[ULF_55]

1. Ron Wilson
2. Brian Burke
3. Paul Maurice

 

[Morbo]

1. Ron Wilson
2. Brian Burke
3. Paul Maurice

you think Ferguson is a better GM than Burke?

 

[Morbo]

Should put in another vote for Wozniewski. That guy was a beaut.

 

[Brymas McCaberle]

Alexander Suglobov.

Thought of him too, but shouldn't he count more as an AHL plug?

 

[Bomber0104]

you think Ferguson is a better GM than Burke?

Check the Win/Loss column and check the prospects.

 

[Warden of the North]

Thought of him too, but shouldn't he count more as an AHL plug?

Maybe. Although he was briefly touted as a winger for Mats.

 

[ACC1224]

you think Ferguson is a better GM than Burke?

Fletcher's dysfunction trumps both.

 

[4evaBlue]

Armstrong hasn't been an effective anything, at any time, in any situation for the Leafs.

Nonsense. Clearly you haven't watched the games he played in, then.

 

[Brymas McCaberle]

Maybe. Although he was briefly touted as a winger for Mats.

Didn't he manage to score in the lone game he played for the NJD? I still remember people making such big deal about that

By that standard, Jeremy Williams should've become a franchise star by now

 

[Bomber0104]

Nonsense. Clearly you haven't watched the games he played in, then.

He struggled hard.

He is not a good athlete.

 

[Morbo]

Check the Win/Loss column and check the prospects.

Check the prospects for what? When did we ever have young talent like Gardiner and Rielly in the Ferguson era?

Anyway, let's keep this on topic for a change.

 

[Bomber0104]

Check the prospects for what? When did we ever have young talent like Gardiner and Rielly in the Ferguson era?

Anyway, let's keep this on topic for a change.

Never had a Rielly because JFJ was capable of almost taking the team to the playoffs...hence middle of the round picks.

Burke has driven the team into the sewer despite doing everything he can to beat JFJ's record.

You're right. Burke can't be the worst player because he isn't a player. He's just been the worst GM for the Leafs in their entire history. Off-topic.

 

[ULF_55]

you think Ferguson is a better GM than Burke?

He would have been at 4, but I'm talking responsible for results. JFj missed 2 playoffs by a total of 3-4 points combined. In one of those years the Leafs had a huge amount of injuries to key players.

 

[ULF_55]

Fletcher's dysfunction trumps both.

I have a 15 year old dog that isn't completely all there anymore. We love him and the girl dog, 13, we have so I can't really get mad when he pees on the floor because he didn't get us to let him out. He's doing the best he can.

 

[The Blue Devil]

Toskala...... come on he let a goal in from over 100ft!!

200ft

 

[InterceptSchenn]

Colby Armweak. Just awful in every way possible.

 

[Morbo]

Never had a Rielly because JFJ was capable of almost taking the team to the playoffs...hence middle of the round picks.

JFJ's team had no upside at all. And isn't what you're describing the worst possible thing to be? "almost" making the playoffs and getting nothing of quality for your future with a mediocre draft position?

You're right. Burke can't be the worst player because he isn't a player. He's just been the worst GM for the Leafs in their entire history. Off-topic.

No, he isn't. I'm thinking you are very young or haven't followed the team for very long, or both. If not you are extremely ignorant of this team's history.

He would have been at 4,

...4?

but I'm talking responsible for results. JFj missed 2 playoffs by a total of 3-4 points combined. In one of those years the Leafs had a huge amount of injuries to key players.

No question Burke should be held accountable for results his extremely young team is putting up. And he will be, with new ownership taking over.

When you look at what we have right now vs. what we had then, I like what we have now better. Does that mean we're in amazing shape? No. But there is a core starting to form that could have some upside as a good team in the next few years. The Ferguson Leafs had no upside to be a good team.

 

[4evaBlue]

He would have been at 4, but I'm talking responsible for results. JFj missed 2 playoffs by a total of 3-4 points combined. In one of those years the Leafs had a huge amount of injuries to key players.

And that was pretty close to when he inherited the team, and didn't have a chance to completely destroy it yet. Once his works started bearing fruit, it was pretty much a nosedive. Burke would have killed to have a 34 year old PPG+ Sundin, a 29 year old 68 point defensemen, etc etc on his team when he arrived.