The way too early "Takeaway from Carolina's success?" thread

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Right, Rantanen was the target. And the situation was he didn't want to be there.



No, you're right, Stankoven was the real guy. He was the add. Like 37 dimensional stuff. They wanted Stank, but couldn't be too obvious about it, because then everyone would know the Canes secrets. You had to trade your own star, for someone else's even bigger name, and then get your franchise face coach to just keep being who he is, knowing your new big name player wouldn't be wanting any of that crap, which made it easier to go get the guy you were always after, also coming with an extra 1st rd pick.

Imagine arguing semantics to try and claim a team that added multiple key contributors to a championship run over the last 2 months didn't actually add anyone.

The only one looking like an idiot right now is you

 

[PaulD]

Players have to buy in 100% with the system and each other.

Panthers like

 

[PaulD]

Holy hell, the team went 16-3 in this playoff run and we got posters here saying "weak conference" or "didn't face a real team/lucky they didn't face Florida".

16-3, without a "superstar", without a Broduer or Roy in net. Shouldn't that be more appreciated? I think it should personally.

16 - 3 in a weak conference....16-3! .....sounds like one fantastic team ......and maybe a bunch of weak teams.

Nobody and I mean nobody seriously picturedor predicted the Habs, Bolts, Flyers, Sabres, Pens , Bruins, or Sens passing around the Cup in June.
East had one legit contender.
West had four legit contenders.

And the Canes could and would have beaten the three they didn't play.

 

[Nostradeeznuts]

a team full of good players who play great together will always beat a team of great players who play well together is mine

 

[Nostradeeznuts]

16 - 3 in a weka conference....16-3 .....sounds like one fantastic team ......and a bunch of weak teams

They were the only team in the East that looked to be playing a true 5 man game. That only comes with a great coach, the players fully buying in and player familiarity

 

[Jumptheshark]

1) All key players signed
2) No one getting paid $10.00
3) Chee-aped on net and it nearly cost them
4) There was an article a few months ago naming the best and worst GMS to deal with by agents. Canes GM was on the list of worst as he grinds out every contract he signs
5) Team first concept. Meaning they will trade players away who look at $$$$ before wining

 

[Stickpucker]

Nope. You can't do this. Carolina didn't add Hall and Stankoven. Hall was a throw in by the Hawks in the Rantanen deal, with 9g in 46 games when they got him, with 1 good year in half a decade. Stankoven, not Carolina's firs choice either. He was involved in a trade for the guy who was Carolina's first choice. Carolina stumbled their way into Hall and Stankoven. They got the Cup, but you have to be honest.

Stankoven, if we go by regular season % from this year, in 19 games, would've gotten 5g and 10pts, as opposed to the 11g and 16pts he ended up with. Basically, what he did with Dallas and Carolina the two previous playoff years. 11g in 19 playoff games is a 47g regular season player. He doesn't have 47 career goals in the regular season.

Hall, same thing. 18g in 80 games. If you go by the 7 in 19 playoff games, he would've had 29g during the season. He hasn't had that many since 17-18, and he'll be 35 in Nov.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

They had some pretty high picks for a 6 year run between 2013 & 2018 though:

5 OV
7 OV
5 OV
13 OV
12 OV
2 OV

2010: 7th oa, Jeff Skinner, was the best player through the dark years but moved after Brind'amour took over the team over concerns that he wasn't a good enough two way player. The 2nd in that trade became Pyotr Kotchetkov
2011: 12th oa Ryan Murphy, bust
2012: 7th OA, traded for Jordan Staal (who would win the playoff MVP 14 years later)
2013: 5th oa Elias Lindholm, traded with Noah Hanifin for Dougie Hamilton (walked after 3 years), Michael Ferland (walked after 1 year) and Adam Fox (demanded to be traded to Rangers, supposedly he lied to Don Waddell about a willingness to sign in Raleigh?), developed into a decent top 6er that some teams deemed better than he actually was. Also it was a running joke for a while on the Canes board because one poster was mad that Jim Rutherford didn't try harder to move up one spot and take Seth Jones and refused to let this go for YEARS, like all Rutherford had to do was call Nashville and throw in a 3rd in 2017 to get them to swap lmao
2014: 7th oa Hadyn Fleury, taken by Ron Francis in expansion draft, 3rd pairing defenseman
2015: 5th oa Noah Hanifin, see Lindholm's entry, developed into a top 4 minute muncher but didn't become a #1 franchise defenseman as hoped. Also got wrecked by the Blake/Stankoven/Hall unit in the finals, so that was nice
2016: 13th oa Jake Bean, traded to the Jackets for a 2nd round pick, 3rd pairing defenseman. Also taken 1 spot ahead of Charlie McAvoy
2017: 12th Martin Necas, middle 6 winger in Carolina, top line winger in Colorado, easily the 2nd most impactful player on this list for the Canes and in terms of contributing to the Cup win, he was traded for Rantanen, who was then moved for Stankoven + 2 1sts, one of which would be part of getting K'Andre Miller
2018: Svechnikov, 2nd oa, lottery win gets Carolina a top line wing skilled/physical winger

Point is Canes won a Cup despite squandering over half a decades worth of high picks that mostly didn't contribute to the Cup win. High picks clearly matter so it's interesting how the team's construction is somehat against the grain, like they still got Svechnikov, but Svechnikov isn't a Barkov, or Stamkos/Hedman, or a MacKinnon/Makar

 

[D1az]

My take:
Carolina sucks, pure luck, the last cup they'll ever win, no one from that team will ever win a cup again or even remotely sniff the hall of fame.
And Rob will end up a complete alcoholic reminiscing over his completely failed career.

In other news I'm also excellent at predicting things; so if you want gambling tips, then I'm the man for the job.

 

[Lempo]

And Rob will end up a complete alcoholic reminiscing over his completely failed career.

Buddy, keep Rob's name out of your mouth.

 

[Based Anime Fan]

Holy hell, the team went 16-3 in this playoff run and we got posters here saying "weak conference" or "didn't face a real team/lucky they didn't face Florida".

16-3, without a "superstar", without a Broduer or Roy in net. Shouldn't that be more appreciated? I think it should personally.

Fans, jealous of someone else's success, will try to find anything to try and 'hold over' a team to discredit their accomplishment. Be it 'weak conference' or 'cheated' or 'over the cap' or whatever the BS excuse of the year is, they will do everything in their power to try to balm their chapped ass that their team wasn't good enough.

 

[Stickpucker]

My take:
Carolina sucks, pure luck, the last cup they'll ever win, no one from that team will ever win a cup again or even remotely sniff the hall of fame.
And Rob will end up a complete alcoholic reminiscing over his completely failed career.

In other news I'm also excellent at predicting things; so if you want gambling tips, then I'm the man for the job.

Buddy, keep Rob's name out of your mouth.

You two need to meet behind a Bojangles in Finland.

If not Lempo its your duty to open one and watch the $$ roll in. Ill take 2% in royalties.

 

[daver]

They are on their way to having the best defensive showing by a (potential) SC finalist in many years (maybe since the 2008 Wings) primarily by keeping the Shot Attempt against really low.

Is it more puck possession or an aggressive forecheck?

Given that offense is winning championships as much as defense in the past few years, I was wondering if it is something that other teams might emulate?

Bumping the OP, as the numbers are in from the SCF.

Carolina ended with the 5th best Goals Against and #1 Shots Against/game since the lockout by a Cup winner. Even though they gave up more goals in the first three games of the SCF, they were still keeping shot attempts low, they then returned to form for the last three games after the goalie change.

There is an argument to be made that they had the best team defense since the 2008 Red WIngs while other notable low GAs were heavily goalie influenced (Kings in 2012, Bolts in '21, Rangers in '12).

It is worth noting that scoring in the playoffs has been above 3.00 since 2022 which makes their defensive showing even more impressive. Offense is winning these days as much as defense, or even more.

Is puck pressure/a strong forecheck the answer to the gamebreaking offensive skill we see these days?