TV: The Walking Dead | S7 | (NO COMIC DISCUSSION/SPOILERS)

[Hackett]

Am I the only one who cannot remember who heath is?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

They've made it quite clear that Negan has quite an influence on the area they're in. In addition to the main compound (where Daryl currently is), he's shown to have outposts (like the one Rick's group initially destroyed) all over the area.

Do you really think he can maintain all that with "30-40 people"?

Don't be daft. Negan has an army, Rick has a group. He's greatly outnumbered and he knows it. So he's doing what he can to protect his group, even if it means bending the knee to do so.

I said he has maybe 1-200 hundred guys.

I then said he showed up at Alexandria with 30-40 guys. Pay attention please.

The saviors have Daryl. Maggie and Sasha are at Hilltop. Do you just leave them? I don't think so.

And they still don't know where Morgan and Carol are.

You don't leave them, you take them with you.

But honestly since they make Negan stupid as well, there is really no need for that like I said.

Negan is dumb enough to kill my friends, then show up with a small group outside my door a few days later.

That's perfect.

I'm waiting to see if he is stupid enough to come himself, and if he has a small group like he did, I open the first gate and put a few slugs in his head, then drop a couple rockets on his group and have my people waiting in the forest to flank the dozen or so people left.

Again, they would be sitting ducks. If Daryl dies, that sucks, but he put himself in that situation and I have the rest of my group to worry about. Negan will eventually kill a bunch of my people as examples anyway, so no sense in letting him live if he's dumb enough to come to my heavily armed door with a small group.

Zero chance in real life a guy like Rick let's Negan into his compound knowing he will just keep randomly killing people.

Zero chance in real life a guy like Negan goes to Rick's door himself and takes that chance, knowing he is fully armed with weapons he stole from his outpost.

Sloppy writing.

 

[wedge]

I said he has maybe 1-200 hundred guys.

I then said he showed up at Alexandria with 30-40 guys. Pay attention please.



You don't leave them, you take them with you.

But honestly since they make Negan stupid as well, there is really no need for that like I said.

Negan is dumb enough to kill my friends, then show up with a small group outside my door a few days later.

That's perfect.

I'm waiting to see if he is stupid enough to come himself, and if he has a small group like he did, I open the first gate and put a few slugs in his head, then drop a couple rockets on his group and have my people waiting in the forest to flank the dozen or so people left.

Again, they would be sitting ducks. If Daryl dies, that sucks, but he put himself in that situation and I have the rest of my group to worry about. Negan will eventually kill a bunch of my people as examples anyway, so no sense in letting him live if he's dumb enough to come to my heavily armed door with a small group.

Zero chance in real life a guy like Rick let's Negan into his compound knowing he will just keep randomly killing people.

Zero chance in real life a guy like Negan goes to Rick's door himself and takes that chance, knowing he is fully armed with weapons he stole from his outpost.

Sloppy writing.

great way of putting everyone at risk. Don't you think that Negan probably had a backup plan? That he gave instructions to kill everyone in Alexandria if anything happened to them?

Also, who's a fighter in Alexandria beside Rick? Abe is gone, Daryl is a prisoner, Carol is gone, Maggie, Sacha, Tara... who's remaining? Rick, Carl, Michonne... Not really revolution material. I wouldn't go to war with a bunch of people like that against a group of fighters.

The only thing you do is put your family and your friends at risk. Rick almost had to cut his son's arm. He knows that he would have to do something a lot worse than that if he fought back. Knowing Negan, he would probably do horrible things to Carl and Judith and let Rick live with remorse.

 

[PanthersHockey1]

Kind of hoping they do a flashback episode to show Negan's rise to power.

 

[TomPlex]

Kind of hoping they do a flashback episode to show Negan's rise to power.

I'd love to know what he did before. Probably a boring desk job lol

 

[Bones Malone]

Negan reminds me of Danny "The Count" from Counting Cars/Count's Kustoms trying to be a badass. Super Corny.

Wonder what will happen next on "Rick Stares Off Into Space"?

Anyone else think Rick should be more accommodating to Negan? He's broken him. Might as well kiss his ass and make it easy on yourselves.

 

[MrFunnyWobbl]

I actually like Negan and if I was spencer I would ask Negan to join him, **** rick, If I was anyone other than Carl I would try to join Negan.

 

[Harbinger]

Negan is awesome.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Jiggyfly describing **** that would go down if Shane were alive and leading. Lol, they'd all be long dead.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

great way of putting everyone at risk. Don't you think that Negan probably had a backup plan? That he gave instructions to kill everyone in Alexandria if anything happened to them?

Also, who's a fighter in Alexandria beside Rick? Abe is gone, Daryl is a prisoner, Carol is gone, Maggie, Sacha, Tara... who's remaining? Rick, Carl, Michonne... Not really revolution material. I wouldn't go to war with a bunch of people like that against a group of fighters.

The only thing you do is put your family and your friends at risk. Rick almost had to cut his son's arm. He knows that he would have to do something a lot worse than that if he fought back. Knowing Negan, he would probably do horrible things to Carl and Judith and let Rick live with remorse.

Between Alexandria and the Hilltop, there would be plenty of capable help, because Gregory knows Negan will make a connection between them and go after him soon.

So exactly how would Negan do anything when he is dead with slugs in his head?

You just took out the Saviors leader and a big chunk of their guys, and if the rest of the leaderless Saviors want to come for you, well, guerilla warfare has been quite an effective tactic for centuries.

Jiggyfly describing **** that would go down if Shane were alive and leading. Lol, they'd all be long dead.

Right, because letting Negan come in and continue to kill people on a whim is a much better plan.

No sane leader in this type of environment is going to the heavily armed door of his enemy with a small group of his people. He's sending out his lackeys to take that risk and only appearing when the numbers and situation is clearly in his favor.

It's unrealistic and lazy writing.

 

[tacogeoff]

I said he has maybe 1-200 hundred guys.


But honestly since they make Negan stupid as well, there is really no need for that like I said.

Negan is dumb enough to kill my friends, then show up with a small group outside my door a few days later.

That's perfect.

I'm waiting to see if he is stupid enough to come himself, and if he has a small group like he did, I open the first gate and put a few slugs in his head, then drop a couple rockets on his group and have my people waiting in the forest to flank the dozen or so people left.

Again, they would be sitting ducks. If Daryl dies, that sucks, but he put himself in that situation and I have the rest of my group to worry about. Negan will eventually kill a bunch of my people as examples anyway, so no sense in letting him live if he's dumb enough to come to my heavily armed door with a small group.

Zero chance in real life a guy like Rick let's Negan into his compound knowing he will just keep randomly killing people.

Zero chance in real life a guy like Negan goes to Rick's door himself and takes that chance, knowing he is fully armed with weapons he stole from his outpost.

Sloppy writing.

Its not really sloppy writing. There are so many factors in play at this point..emotional and psychological.

Negan has broken Rick's will to fight back. He did it via Abe who was arguably one of their best fighters and then when Daryl lashed out to show that the group can still stand up for themselves he put down Glenn in front of everyone including pregnant Maggie. The devastation of this would break the will of any normal person. furthermore he took Rick for a drive as he still felt rick was hostile and showed him that even leaving the axe on the table that Rick could not kill him with his back turned. Then with the mock cutting off of Carl's arm exercise was a tool for Rick to understand that if he did not do what Negan said then everyone would die due to his inaction. smartly Negan stopped him from doing it as this was just another exercise to break him.

overall it was a great strategic exercise by Negan to break Rick the leader, neuter Daryl the badass, remove the best warrior of the group and to display his power in a most significant way which devastated the morale and composure of the group as a whole. They also showed up at the gates earlier when were expected, at that point we saw that Rick was still struck with grief and disbelief of their current situation. I highly doubt they would of stood a chance if they popped Negan .

I understand your argument but I don't think in the realm of TWD it would of been feasible at this particular point of time with what the group is currently working through. They thought they had defeated "Negan" at the outpost and they just had their world shattered in the most violent of ways.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I understand your argument but I don't think in the realm of TWD it would of been feasible at this particular point of time with what the group is currently working through. They thought they had defeated "Negan" at the outpost and they just had their world shattered in the most violent of ways.

Again, sloppy writing.

Rick said he doesn't take chances anymore, yet he attacked this outpost with no real intel of the situation and who he is dealing with?

If you are going to write Rick as a meticulous planning character that is risk adverse, don't insult your audience by suddenly making him a dumbass.

There are countless other ways to drive the plot without making Rick turn brainless.

 

[tacogeoff]

Again, sloppy writing.

Rick said he doesn't take chances anymore, yet he attacked this outpost with no real intel of the situation and who he is dealing with?

If you are going to write Rick as a meticulous planning character that is risk adverse, don't insult your audience by suddenly making him a dumbass.

There are countless other ways to drive the plot without making Rick turn brainless.

Or was it a power play to make the Hill Top owe them instead of Negan which really turned into a reality check for Rick and Company's Ego? They were pretty gungho about how they were a force to be reckoned with and they could do anything or take any other group out....they didn't check their egos and got smashed later on for it. They thought they were dealing with sheltered people who couldn't survive like them (hilltop/Alexandria) and said hey we can take out a small group of thugs no problem..............

 

[crediblepest]

Again, sloppy writing.

Rick said he doesn't take chances anymore, yet he attacked this outpost with no real intel of the situation and who he is dealing with?

If you are going to write Rick as a meticulous planning character that is risk adverse, don't insult your audience by suddenly making him a dumbass.

There are countless other ways to drive the plot without making Rick turn brainless.

I think the reason Rick has become "Brainless" Is he actually see's no way of winning against Negan and the Saviors. When he went in to the outpost, he thought Negan had 15 guys, not 50. Rick scared because no matter how much 'meticulous planning' he does, he cant see a way to win. Hes still outnumbered if he includes Hilltop, and If any of this planning gets back to Negan, He will kill Ricks "brother" Daryl.

I dont think its as simple as Negan bashed peoples heads in and now Rick obeys him, Negan spent the better part of that 1st episode doing everything he could to break Rick. He finally got to him by threatening Ricks only child

Im not saying its not exceptional writing, but I for one can totally understand why Rick is doing what he is doing. He has to accept this way of life, so no one else he loves will die. at least for now.

 

[karnige]

I think the reason Rick has become "Brainless" Is he actually see's no way of winning against Negan and the Saviors. When he went in to the outpost, he thought Negan had 15 guys, not 50. Rick scared because no matter how much 'meticulous planning' he does, he cant see a way to win. Hes still outnumbered if he includes Hilltop, and If any of this planning gets back to Negan, He will kill Ricks "brother" Daryl.

I dont think its as simple as Negan bashed peoples heads in and now Rick obeys him, Negan spent the better part of that 1st episode doing everything he could to break Rick. He finally got to him by threatening Ricks only child

Im not saying its not exceptional writing, but I for one can totally understand why Rick is doing what he is doing. He has to accept this way of life, so no one else he loves will die. at least for now.

I know ppl are reading way to Mich into this. rick is scared. he knows negan won't hesitate to kill someone. he has people who actually can fight. who does rick have? no one. he's scared negan will kill Carl or Judith. can't blame him.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Or was it a power play to make the Hill Top owe them instead of Negan which really turned into a reality check for Rick and Company's Ego? They were pretty gungho about how they were a force to be reckoned with and they could do anything or take any other group out....they didn't check their egos and got smashed later on for it. They thought they were dealing with sheltered people who couldn't survive like them (hilltop/Alexandria) and said hey we can take out a small group of thugs no problem..............

I would normally agree with that, but the writers made a huge point of showing how Rick doesn't take chances anymore. Now they are making him brain dead. Please.

I like the show but in the last several episodes we are suppose to believe that:

- Rick is now not only stupid, but despite being involved with other countless acts of insane violence this now has crushed him, while Carl, Rosita, and Michonne are ready to fight?

- Negan has rose to power over a large group like this, yet he is careless as hell?

Negan would have never let Rick live in the forest, then he would have gone back to Alexandria that night to get what he wanted with his entire crew, including the weapons he knew Rick stole. Then left some guys behind to keep an eye on them.

Instead he's like ya, I know you got all these weapons and I just bashed your friends heads in, so I'll be back after you have some time to get ready for me with a small crew and you will let me in and not put a slug in my head!

We are also suppose to believe that Rick got Maggie and Sasha to the Hilltop without Negan knowing, yet they couldn't simply just leave Dodge and head somewhere else?

I guess Negan's crew is guarding all the other roads out of town except the ones to the Hilltop.

Ok...

 

[suprvilce]

Directors need to tell Carl's actor to get some muscle for next season. Becaus him rubbing shouldder with the likes of fully grown Negan is kinda hard to watch, since he's so weak.

 

[MadDevil]

Am I the only one who cannot remember who heath is?

He and Tara are on the longest supply run ever.

 

[Hackett]

This is a show where Rick killed a dude by chomping on his neck, where a colony exists in which the king has a pet tiger which seems to go back to Shakespearean times, where some guy prances around with a weapon that he has named Lucille, as if it is a person.

The show is losing "realism" the more we get into it, although this is the zombie apocalypse so we should suspend belief right off the bat. It seems to be evolving more into a comic book, not necessarily the twd comic books because I have not read those, but a comic book nonetheless, and it's not a bad thing IMO.

Point is, don't take it too seriously. It did cross my mind why neagan would take such a risk, but it also does not ruin my viewing experience, because twd is gloriously "over the top" to begin with.

 

[Seb]

The show has been more and more in line with the comics ever since they got to Alexandria so your observation is on point.

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

Think I'm going to finally begin watching this season by Friday or Saturday.

 

[Burgs]

IMO season 6 did a good job of showing how overconfident Rick & Co. had become after taking down all the smaller threats. Before they met Negan they had already killed over 40 Saviours while hardly taking any losses. That would have been enough to destroy or at least cripple every opposition they had ever been up against so far (iirc even Woodbury didn't have much more fighters than that). It's true they didn't do their legwork on the Saviours and thought that one outpost was all that was to them. Rick wanted to take them out fast before they even knew about Alexandria. I don't remember why the Hilltop didn't warn them about it but then again Gregory is a jerk and a coward.

Also, Negan arrived earlier than scheduled at Alexandria so he did take some precaution against an ambush. But I agree that it was still risky on his part. Maybe he's just as overconfident as Rick was before. Ambushing him would've been a valid option. Take out his 25 or so guys, take their weapons, vehicles and fuel. And keep your own stuff. But most importantly: kill Negan, and his lieutenants might start fighting each other for the throne, and split up into sub-groups. But Rick is still too scared to risk that. I guess that won't last.

 

[Habsfan18]

Not surprisingly (because of the hype from the massive cliffhanger) the ratings have dropped quite a bit each week since the season premiere. Almost 5 million viewers have stopped watching since the premiere. Still doing pretty damn good and it was expected, but if they KEEP dropping it could be a cause of concern. Obviously AMC won't cancel the show, but they won't like seeing the viewership drop every single episode.

 

[The Night King]

I don't think Gregory or Jesus knew how many Saviors there really were either. Otherwise they would'nt have given Rick and co. half their stuff to take them out.

 

[Seb]

Not surprisingly (because of the hype from the massive cliffhanger) the ratings have dropped quite a bit each week since the season premiere. Almost 5 million viewers have stopped watching since the premiere. Still doing pretty damn good and it was expected, but if they KEEP dropping it could be a cause of concern. Obviously AMC won't cancel the show, but they won't like seeing the viewership drop every single episode.

It's concerning because it will give them the incentive to do more bullcrap cliffhanger