Post-Game Talk: The Voodoo is real Jets get Buffaloed 3-2

[LowLefty]

I mean Cole's success rate at getting the puck out of our end is night and day better than that of the so called big physical guys. So Bones decision making is contrary to what the data says.

I think at certain points in the game, he disagrees with you - it can be very chaotic in the last few minutes and he prefers the worker bees out there when that happens. They've played less minutes, might have more in the tank when the opponent is pouring it on late, and they play a more defensive game in their role.
I get that Cole is a skilled player but I don't know if he's the best choice in those circumstances -
We can debate whether or not that is a good strategy - I'm only pointing out what I think may be his reasoning.
Some won't agree with it -

 

[surixon]

I think at certain points in the game, he disagrees with you - it can be very chaotic in the last few minutes and he prefers the worker bees out there when that happens. They've played less minutes, might have more in the tank when the opponent is pouring it on late, and they play a more defensive game in their role.
I get that Cole is a skilled player but I don't know if he's the best choice in those circumstances -
We can debate whether or not that is a good strategy - I'm only pointing out what I think may be his reasoning.
Some won't agree with it -

Oh I'm sure that is his reasoning. My issue is the reasoning seems to be selectively applied. For instance if he wants the worker bees out then why are Conner and Blake out. They play more minutes and they don't have the analytics or the d game to back up being used.

If Coles to small for board work then so is Conner etc.

To be frank I don't think we have very many good defensive forwards. Our bottom 6 guys sans Lowry and maybe Appelton aren't anything to write home about in our end either.

 

[LowLefty]

Oh I'm sure that is his reasoning. My issue is the reasoning seems to be selectively applied. For instance if he wants the worker bees out then why are Conner and Blake out. They play more minutes and they don't have the analytics or the d game to back up being used.

If Coles to small for board work then so is Conner etc.

To be frank I don't think we have very many good defensive forwards. Our bottom 6 guys sans Lowry and maybe Appelton aren't anything to write home about in our end either.

Connor's likely out there for the same reason he is out late in the PK - his speed and ability to turn it up the other way once they have possession. He certainly isn't out there to win board battles. Yet according to the post I was replying to earlier, Bones prefers size - go figure.

I don't know why Wheels is out there - I was referring more to the bottom 6 guys - I'd agree that he is not the right choice.
Is he there for his size (I hope not) or for his experience - again, he's not my choice either.

I agree we don't have many good defensive forwards - probably comes down to who are the better defensive forwards

 

[BoneDocUK]

They look just as bad as they looked heading into Xmas. Not trying to make excuses but the NHL needs to figure its schedule out. We've played 12 games in our last 20 days and throw in a 5 game road trip where the team is traveling every other day into it. Is the NHL's goal to ice entertaining games or have teams play themselves into the ground in some of these stretches.

Anyhow the team top down wasn't good so not much needs to be said.

Our PP needs an overall as the current formation has staled the last number of games.

Anyhow I expect the team be recharged and back playing good hockey after the break. Much like how they looked after Xmas stoppage.



Our D was the major issue tonight and it started with horrendous breakouts up the boards into double coverage all game. No adapting and going up the middle or to the other side.

Missed this one -- thankfully, it seems.

Is Samberg injured? I thought he was starting to bed in and play well but see he has sat for a few now.

In terms of the top 6 roster management, it may be time to move Barron / AJF / Someone up and Wheeler down. Feels like either of the top 2 lines might do as well with a fast retriever who can get in quickly and dig pucks out.

Apples getting back in should help a bit, but perhaps not enough.

 

[MardyBum]

*shrug*

 

[surixon]

Connor's likely out there for the same reason he is out late in the PK - his speed and ability to turn it up the other way once they have possession. He certainly isn't out there to win board battles. Yet according to the post I was replying to earlier, Bones prefers size - go figure.

I don't know why Wheels is out there - I was referring more to the bottom 6 guys - I'd agree that he is not the right choice.
Is he there for his size (I hope not) or for his experience - again, he's not my choice either.

I agree we don't have many good defensive forwards - probably comes down to who are the better defensive forwards

Anyhow, I just would buy a different argument more from the coach vis a vis the rationale to keep a younger skilled guy out then the size argument. But I do question just how much of this is Bones and just how much of this is an org development decision. I seem to remember similar patterns of usage with all our skilled forwards when they first broke in. Could be many coaches are not quick to trust young offensive rookies in defensive situations or the org has a development template and the goal of year one is to concentrate on certain things and leave other things tona latter date.

 

[The Blue Baron]

This tired stuff is BS, twenty somethings making millions of dollars playing a fricking game, 20 minutes average of ice time every other day at best, first class accommodations, top restaurants, first class travel, seriously these guys have all hit the lottery and won!

Pampered babies more like it!


I luv my whipping boys, some have gone, some don't need it anymore (Ehlers), new ones arrive (koolmun), others have always needed it (Wheezer)..

Massive LIKE @sipowicz you are 100% correct!

Not to mention pampered physically to every whim.

 

[Potential]

Every team is in the same boat. This was the Sabres 12th game in19 days and 4th game in a 6 day roadtrip including a stop on the west coast. They did not look tired. The other team should not look that much better than you when you've had a similar schedule load lately.

This is fair, and it is important to hold the team accountable as a championship team needs to figure this stuff out as such scheduling streches of are part of the game.

I know Bones has said in the past that he hasn't had practices during such stretches as he prefers rest, however I think it can be argued that this strategy hasn't been working particularly well, so maybe it's time to change that line of thinking? The young guys can do it energy wise, and the vets just need to have their minutes managed.

The results from our road trips have been middling at best, so I think a change is warranted.

Also, we need to get Samberg back in the lineup immediately, as Stanley isn't the solution.

 

[tbcwpg]

Athletic's Weekly Power Rankings - Jets at 8th:

Heading into Thursday night against Buffalo, the Jets had gone 6-4-0 in their previous 10 games and controlled expected goals in eight of them. No problem. Then, of course, they put together a dud against the Sabres and lost 3-2 in a game that wasn’t as close as the score implied.

And guess what? There still isn’t much of a problem. The Jets are good — both of us internalized that some time in November — and good teams have meh stretches. What’s most important for the Jets, of course, is that Josh Morrissey keeps playing at a point-per-game pace. He’s still there, even after three straight goose eggs.

 

[Howard Chuck]

A couple of people already touched on this…. The top six is (mostly) playing with no drive or emotion. The 4th line is doing everything they can and when you compare their effort to the top six, the top six look apathetic.

I’ve always said that the Jets need to find something to get fired up about…. A big hit, a fight anything. Otherwise they tend to just go out and play barely acceptable hockey. That is one of the things we miss about Buff, he would destroy someone and tempers would flare and we would step up. PLD has that ability too, but doesn’t always use it. The tkachucks of the league do that for their team all the time, inject some emotion or passion.

Even just really get into scrums after a play.

If the Jets just go play a game, they don’t do nearly as well. We have lots of talent but it needs to find a way to be let loose.

 

[raideralex99]

Here is the record of each division leaders first home game after a road trip of 5 or more games.
*Seattle and Vegas are tied so I included both of their records.
*Bruins are doing there 5 game road trip now so the longest road trip to date for the Bruins was 5 of 6 games on the road.

Boston lost their only home game in regulation time ... SHUTOUT by Seattle 3-0.
Canes had two road trips 5 games and 6 games ... Loss 6-2 to Islanders and Won 3-2 vs Seattle.
Stars 5 game road trip first home game they lost to Oilers 6-3.
Vegas 7 game road trip first home game lost to Coyotes 4-1.
Seattle 7 game road trip first home game lost to Tampa 4-1.

So all the division leaders lost their first home game after a long trip.

RELAX the Jets did not lose game 7 in the playoffs.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That 2nd period! Wow! Just WOW!

horrible game, only good thing is we didn't get shut out I guess, we need someone who can at least win a face off and I'll say it again for the 100th time, we need another line that can score

Eff that. We need a line, any line, that can get out of the D zone.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Well deserved loss. Sabres played well and played hard for Comrie.

Shades of what happened after Maurice broke up the Connor-Dubois-Svechnikov line last season. Last year breaking up the successful CDS line was the stone that kicked off the avalanche, hope it is not the case again.

Bowness' press conference and comments to the media today were a disaster. Do those comments make smaller players want to go through a wall for him? Does that make other guys with size feel just a tad bit more content in their place and maybe let the foot off the gas a little bit? Even if that was the motivation behind his decisions he just can't come out and say it, it serves no purpose and only serves to demotivate your own players.

Bowness could learn a thing or two about how to handle that from Maurice who may have the same motivation behind lineup/deployment decisions but would never say that out loud. Maurice would not say something that has zero upside but only serves alienate some of your own players and potentially make others complacent. Imagine the place you work at where all your coworkers of varying ages do the same job, then one day your boss just openly says that he only trusts those over 45 years old to do a certain job without saying anything with respect to the skills of these employees. Imagine how much that would hurt the morale. That's basically what he did. It seems too much of a coincidence that the Jets have their 2nd worst game of the season after the Halloween Vegas game on the heels of those comments.

Ya, Maurice just lied all the flipping time. Stopped listening to him in his 1st year here. Unbearable.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I didn't like how we played.

You are a master of understatement.

 

[kanadalainen]

7-5 in the last 12
5-5 in the last 10
4-4 in the last 8
2-4 in the last 6

I'm not the doom and gloom type, but some folks here are not wrong in pointing out that we've been heading in the wrong direction lately.

You are not wrong. This team is either hot or cold, right now they are quite cold.

Wheeler sure as heck is no longer top 6, why is he still there?

Size?

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I have been all for moving whatever needs to be moved to get players at the deadline to get one more shot this season but after the last week or so my expectations have been tempered and I can now see the point of just standing pat at the deadline.

The first 30 or so games of this season seem to have been a mirage. They have mostly stunk for about the last 11 games. That is back to the 7-4 win over Van. Outplayed but scored 7 on 27 shots.

Oddly, it seems to pretty closely coincide with getting the injured players back. WTF?

 

[kanadalainen]

Also, we need to get Samberg back in the lineup immediately, as Stanley isn't the solution.

Quoted for emphasis. I hate to say this but Tree is not playing well, at *all*.

I like you Bonesy, but you need to do the right thing.

Oddly, it seems to pretty closely coincide with getting the injured players back. WTF?

Its true and it sucks.

 

[kanadalainen]

Wow I had to adjust my spectacles to discern Torts' Flyers' fate.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What the hell is wrong with HF Boards!?!

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[Inanna]

Not to mention pampered physically to every whim.

Really?

So they are pampered to sit in a bathtub full of ice on their own whim?

They follow pampered dietary restrictions and adjust their meal choices on their own whim?

They are pampered with curfews and nap schedules on their own whim?

They are physically pampered with body checks and shot blocks on their own whim?

I can't speak to your logic but if I owned some really expensive race horse (or, in my fantasies, AJF) I would provide everything I could to maximize the financial return on that horse, even to the risk of someone mistakenly thinking that my horse was pampered.

 

[Revolver]

We barely touched the puck for huge segments - and we were getting beat by the speed that these guys used against us. Not just skating, but the speed in their decision making, puck movement, puck handling, everything.

But, but, but Sawyer says the Jets are fast

 

[kanadalainen]

I can't speak to your logic but if I owned some really expensive race horse (or, in my fantasies, AJF) I would provide everything I could to maximize the financial return on that horse, even to the risk of someone mistakenly thinking that my horse was pampered.

AJF, is in point of fact, a superexpensive race horse.


(I do understand your point, but if the coaches could figure out how soften up those hooves think of the goal bonanza).

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Perfetti made a few good plays.
Pionk made one very nice defensive play in the 1st. Probably saved a goal on a 2-1.

 

[Stumbledore]

Wow I had to adjust my spectacles to discern Torts' Flyers' fate.

Yeah, even with my glasses I have trouble reading that.

So instead I use: NHL Playoff Odds -MoneyPuck 2023 Playoff & Cup Odds

AJF, is in point of fact, a superexpensive race horse.


(I do understand your point, but if the coaches could figure out how soften up those hooves think of the goal bonanza).

Yes, I do think our token girl in the group had 'horsing around' uppermost in mind.