Post-Game Talk: The Voodoo is real Jets get Buffaloed 3-2

[WpgSteve]

Maybe Chevy should keep his first round pick for a rental in his pocket, maybe keep the picks and prospects for depth players in his pocket too.

Lol. Why not trade everyone and start the rebuild at the deadline?

I get that the Jets haven't looked good the last few games, but the team is still in a great position.

 

[tbcwpg]

It is not the same thing. The Jets have not looked good during wins or losses recently save for the Pittsburgh game and a stretch of the Toronto game. One can choose to be realistic or one can choose to be optimistic. I think some are just becoming more realistic about what this team is capable of doing

Why is it only "realistic" when the team isn't doing very well?

 

[Saidin]

I don't post often, and when people say that a 6/7 D isn't important, look at this...

 

[DRW204]

the Jets are 8-5 this month, with their 2nd best goal-differential per game of any month. i get this it hasn't been an absolute murderous row of opponents this month, however, they've had some great teams sprinkled in there.

i fear for some folks' health when we lose a playoff game, or if we lose series.

 

[KingBogo]

Back the day there would be 30 pages in the PGT, the give a shit meter on the Jets is now way down!

I wouldn’t say that. Many regular posters around here have learned it is best to go no where near a post game thread after a loss. They are pretty much copy and paste from the previous one occasionally with a different set of whipping boys but mostly just the tried and true standbys. It seems to work for those who need the group therapy angle.

 

[PaulPooley]

Why is it only "realistic" when the team isn't doing very well?

I think a lot of fans -even when the Jets are winning- recognize the areas of the team that still need improvement and stay fairly even-keel. Having said that, it’s easy and so much fun to get swept away in that winning feeling and so nights like last night feel super disappointing. As a fan you want to believe the team is on the right track and it sucks to have that brought into question the way a game like last night’s does.

 

[WolfHouse]

I wouldn’t say that. Many regular posters around here have learned it is best to go no where near a post game thread after a loss. They are pretty much copy and paste from the previous one occasionally with a different set of whipping boys but mostly just the tried and true standbys. It seems to work for those who need the group therapy angle.

Plus technically 25 of those pages used to be derogatory nicknames

 

[DRW204]

I don't post often, and when people say that a 6/7 D isn't important, look at this...

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the entire team looked bad. look at the pair above them and how they rated last night in xGA. which pairs led to the GAs? the stanley-schmidt pair were out there for ~11 mins of the 48 5v5 mins last night, or 22%. i don't think the Jets just sucked through 20% of the game or the game changes much w/ a diff. 3rd pair.

the Jets mustered up 12 SOGs at 5v5. you're not going to be scored with a high amount of xGF with that low of shot total. last night, if you were playing mostly behind the top-6 lines you were getting nothing offensively. scheifele+wheeler+dubois combined for 0 SOG at 5v5. Ehlers+KC+Perfetti had 5. so 5 shots total from our top-6. they created nothing hence the poor stats.

the sabres deserve credit. every time the Jets flubbed, or over-passed an offensive opportunity they went the other way and controlled the play. id argue this is a lot on the fwds, but the defense evidently was great either. but hard for them when the fwds do nothing to sustain offense or failed at zone-exits. the sabres probably rated real well defensively last night, & it had nothing to do with actually playing defense.

 

[snowkiddin]

Back the day there would be 30 pages in the PGT, the give a shit meter on the Jets is now way down!

That’s why I think it’s a myth that we have some huge number of posters who only come out here after a loss. There’s a few, probably, sure, but there isn’t a multitude of people flocking here to bitch after a bad game.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I mean we are still 7-5 in that stretch. So even if this is the new norm they will still win more then they lose and make the playoffs easily.

Honestly the team hasn't been that bad lately. Sure we have had a few duds recently which is front and center on most minds but they have played good hockey as well since coming back from the break. It isn't just the Pittaburgh game, they've been full marks in most of their wins in that stretch and lost some games they played well enough to win.

I'm nit overly concerned, they will play out of this skid juat like they have the previous ones.

7-5 in the last 12
5-5 in the last 10
4-4 in the last 8
2-4 in the last 6

I'm not the doom and gloom type, but some folks here are not wrong in pointing out that we've been heading in the wrong direction lately.

 

[tbcwpg]

I think a lot of fans -even when the Jets are winning- recognize the areas of the team that still need improvement and stay fairly even-keel. Having said that, it’s easy and so much fun to get swept away in that winning feeling and so nights like last night feel super disappointing. As a fan you want to believe the team is on the right track and it sucks to have that brought into question the way a game like last night’s does.

I'd be more willing to accept this explanation if it wasn't a theme here since at least I've been here.

 

[Gm0ney]

Is it just me or are we really not built to play against the east ?
It seems like our style of play gets eaten up by east division teams
(Buffalo , Washington .Toronto , Boston so far)
Hopefully we can make some adjustments and improve on this come playoff time

It's not the conference, it's teams that play fast and give the Jets no space. If the Jets can't counter the forecheck and pinching (which they often have trouble with), then they get hemmed in and the other team turns into the Harlem Globetrotters in our zone.

But every team struggles playing against that style. You could see how frustrated the team was last night. Scheifele looked like he'd given up for the last half of the 2nd period. Bones was losing it on the bench. (I've noticed he's not much for calling a time out to stop the bleeding when things are going to hell in a handbasket...guess he likes to save those for the last 5 minute push).

The Jets saving grace is that usually Hellebuyck can keep them in it long enough for the other team to get tired of the constant pressure (because it is tiring) - or the Jets figure out how to counter (or out-skill the other team) and break out of their zone. But Buffalo kept their foot on the gas long enough and the Jets were unable to counter.

I don't think it's helping that Bones is apparently opting for size over skill.

 

[surixon]

7-5 in the last 12
5-5 in the last 10
4-4 in the last 8
2-4 in the last 6

I'm not the doom and gloom type, but some folks here are not wrong in pointing out that we've been heading in the wrong direction lately.

Yeah we've had a rough patch lately, and you could find those pqttern of results for any team save Boston this year.

 

[DRW204]

Is it just me or are we really not built to play against the east ?
It seems like our style of play gets eaten up by east division teams
(Buffalo , Washington .Toronto , Boston so far)
Hopefully we can make some adjustments and improve on this come playoff time

not sure about built or not. but they do struggle a bit compared to how they do vs west

 

[LowLefty]

I don't think it's helping that Bones is apparently opting for size over skill.

I assume this is about a player choice he has made and not a team build perspective -
Just wanted to clarify because we have lots of skilled small guys in the line -
If it's one player, it might be more about opting to add some size rather than stating he prefers large players over skill.

 

[SSCBLUEJET]

I was quite excited when the Jets started getting healthy again.
Now I'm thinking maybe it's time to go back to Kuhlman and Gagne in the top six. Yeesh.

 

[Gm0ney]

I assume this is about a player choice he has made and not a team build perspective -
Just wanted to clarify because we have lots of skilled small guys in the line -
If it's one player, it might be more about opting to add some size rather than stating he prefers large players over skill.

Bowness also mentioned it when asked about why Perfetti doesn't seem to be trusted defensively when the team's got a lead in the 3rd. Even though Perfetti's board play and defensive analytics say he's pretty good. And why is Kyle Connor out there defending a lead over Perfetti? That guy's like the Pionk of Defensive Forwards...

 

[LowLefty]

Bowness also mentioned it when asked about why Perfetti doesn't seem to be trusted defensively when the team's got a lead in the 3rd. Even though Perfetti's board play and defensive analytics say he's pretty good. And why is Kyle Connor out there defending a lead over Perfetti? That guy's like the Pionk of Defensive Forwards...

Different topic - I was responding to your point on size

 

[sipowicz]

Those days are long gone! Likely for good. Jets continue to look like that we’ll be lucky squeeze out 4 pages PGT.

I tuned out 5 mins into the 2nd. Glad I did, what waste of awake time in one’s life. To play like that at home is a disgrace.

Of ya and 0 out of 5 Schwarzeneggers

These guys don’t deserve shit! Is Bones’ message slowly but consistently wearing out for good or are these guys just “tired”.
This does not explain the constantly missing the net, super poor puck management, and the to cute PP along with “hot potatoe” over passing in the O zone.

Whatever!

This tired stuff is BS, twenty somethings making millions of dollars playing a fricking game, 20 minutes average of ice time every other day at best, first class accommodations, top restaurants, first class travel, seriously these guys have all hit the lottery and won!

Pampered babies more like it!

I wouldn’t say that. Many regular posters around here have learned it is best to go no where near a post game thread after a loss. They are pretty much copy and paste from the previous one occasionally with a different set of whipping boys but mostly just the tried and true standbys. It seems to work for those who need the group therapy angle.

I luv my whipping boys, some have gone, some don't need it anymore (Ehlers), new ones arrive (koolmun), others have always needed it (Wheezer)..

 

[Gm0ney]

Different topic - I was responding to your point on size

On the Perfetti thing, Bowness specifically said they want a guy with more size along the boards vs. Perfetti. That's the idea. He likes size for its own sake.

 

[sipowicz]

I was quite excited when the Jets started getting healthy again.
Now I'm thinking maybe it's time to go back to Kuhlman and Gagne in the top six. Yeesh.

Wheeler sure as heck is no longer top 6, why is he still there?

 

[Jets 31]

Wheeler sure as heck is no longer top 6, why is he still there?

He won't be once we get Toews at the deadline.

 

[Inanna]

True teams go through that and it is a long season but the last 12 games are very telling and I think this team , which is basically last year's squad has hit the wall and is going to lose more than it wins. Just being realistic. I do not think the sky is falling .

Why do you select the last 12 games? So you can point out that the Jets won only 7 of them?

Instead, I would select the last 15 games. And point out that the Jets won 10 of those.

I'm not sure why you're talking about last year's squad. I'm looking at this year's squad and I'm confident that we'll win more games than we lose. YMMV, of course.

 

[LowLefty]

On the Perfetti thing, Bowness specifically said they want a guy with more size along the boards vs. Perfetti. That's the idea. He likes size for its own sake.

Yeah - I think he was referring to board battles.
That can certainly be debated - he appears to want a more defensive approach late in the game.
Right or wrong, I think he's trying to address the situation we often find ourselves in late in games when the other team is pouring it on and applying pressure in our zone. He wants the puck back and cleared - he feels the heavier guys have a better chance of making that happen.
IMO, our top six guys come up short in that area - they have the skill but they don't always apply the effort defensively, compared to some of our bottom 6.

I don't think he makes decisions for his own sake - he makes them based on what he feels will be most effective in certain situations.
Cole is not his choice in defensive situations as described above - that can be debated but I don't think it supports a statement like "he prefers size over skill" - maybe in some situations but that's not how he manages the team over all.

 

[surixon]

On the Perfetti thing, Bowness specifically said they want a guy with more size along the boards vs. Perfetti. That's the idea. He likes size for its own sake.

Which is incredibly short sighted thinking and goes against what all the data says. You see the same thing to a less extent with Ehlers who also finds himself sat when defending leads. The data says that Cole and Nik are the two best players on this team at getting the puck out of our end. What difference does size make if it doesn't accomplish the goal it's supposed to.

I like a lot of what Rick does but he still has some outdated views that aren't backed by anything measurable.

Yeah - I think he was referring to board battles.
That can certainly be debated - he appears to want a more defensive approach late in the game.
Right or wrong, I think he's trying to address the situation we often find ourselves in late in games when the other team is pouring it on and applying pressure in our zone. He wants the puck back and cleared - he feels the heavier guys have a better chance of making that happen.
IMO, our top six guys come up short in that area - they have the skill but they don't always apply the effort defensively, compared to some of our bottom 6.

I don't think he makes decisions for his own sake - he makes them based on what he feels will be most effective in certain situations.
Cole is not his choice in defensive situations as described above - that can be debated but I don't think it supports a statement like "he prefers size over skill" - maybe in some situations but that's not how he manages the team over all.

I mean Cole's success rate at getting the puck out of our end is night and day better than that of the so called big physical guys. So Bones decision making is contrary to what the data says.