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The Vancouver Media Thread | Part VIII

Brough had a fun revisionist moment today saying “The Canucks were never Cup Contenders”.

Which was funny because last year during the WCF guys on Halford/Brough kept saying: "if we got past Edm, we'd have beat Dallas”.



Brough also questioning tribalism in the fanbase re: Pro/Anti Pettersson camps. Yet seem to be blind to his role in creating said tribalism by droning on about the guy for the majority of his show, 5 days a week for the past year. But don’t think about calling him out for it or you’re the one whose too entrenched in their camp.
 
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When did Jeff Patterson acquire a lisp?

Him and 300 pound Sekeres piling on. They hate the team.
Don't be mixed up with the team and LOSING. It isn't the team, it is the LOSING.
Media is negative because there's not a single positive thing surrounding the team lately?
How posting what is happening, not hoping, becomes negative is a result of understanding.
The media here aren’t hockey players. They are either entertainment, as hosts of radio shows, or they’re long time print reporters. But they really have never been in an nhl room or even a junior one. Heck can any of those guys even skate?
650 does have ex players as guests. And those guys do know. When they talk, providing they aren’t working for a club or trying to get an nhl job, then it’s insightful. I love listening to Janik Hansen. He tells it like it is, and from a player’s perspective. O’Brien is good too. He’s honest. As for the hosts; they’re only concerned with keeping their jobs.
Most of the media are dependent upon the NHL or team's for employment in this city. In places where there is less media ownership they can be less team biased. An example, Toronto.

The media here in Vancouver go to great lengths to support the team suppressing, censoring and editing most "behind" the scene's or what is really happening and support the most idiotic narratives.

Currently a narrative out here is it takes 8 year to do a proper rebuild, mean while the TO media laments the scorched earth Shanaplan that resulted in going to the playoffs. The TO media post and then it is carried here;

Shanahan’s 11-year run began with a scorched-earth rebuild in 2014.

“While I am proud of the rebuild we embarked on starting in 2014, ultimately, I came here to help win the Stanley Cup, and we did not. There is nothing more I wanted to deliver to our fans, and my biggest regret is that we could not finish the job,” Shanahan said in a statement.

But owned media, marketing posters and some fanatics will ignore and push the fallacy of a rebuild to the most NEGATIVE of possibilities. Most of the content is all about instant gratification, now for get tomorrow, forget how the Canucks have got some of the very best players this franchise has ever had. They constantly select the worst possible outcomes. NEGATIVITY.

I think the fact they have a captive audience, no other choice for local sports news, one radio station.
Then the local media guys select the most negative social media output and enhance that negativity, but fail to point out that negativity is about the team losing and the repeated decisions that have resulted in the same outcomes.

IMO the negativity offered up by the owned media is the STERN effect, hate what is said but can't wait to hear what is said. They take on the role of representing the fans knowing that most aren't that way.
Only the most passionate fans throw away $200+ jersey's, hire planes to fly banners, spend 10's of thousands on sets and sit at home instead of going. But those people get ridiculed and called team haters.

Sometimes posting the standings is turned into being a hater. The standings are the ultimate measuring stick of success.

I post that Quinn Hughes originally signed his contract taking him to FA, BIG negative but when he signed it was news about the end. They had 6 years to build a winner. I post that while in his family's home right after his brother Luke was drafted Quinn made the comment not too much paraphrasing here, "I can't wait until we can play together". This was denied for years until just recently as being negative, now some of those stories that praised that signing come back, the term of the contract and possible outcome.

Even when stated almost outright by the team that he might go, think on that because no team goes out and says it is out of their hands unless they know, there are a lot of media and posters refusing to listen or try very hard to re-write four simple words, "out of our hands".

Dhali often bemoans twitter post, I don't twitters very often and only follow a few select twitter accounts but he measures how many are listening by counting how many people they can piss off, the Stern effect.
 
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we need more journalists to be honest. but it takes extra courage to invest your life into any form of a writing career now. Its such a sad state of affairs, writing and art are under extreme pressure thanks to generative AI.
I agree. Just thinking that if he's staying in the sports realm, is there much of a need to pay the tuition plus the opportunity cost of going to school for it to pay off? Is he going to become the next Rick Westhead or something?
 
Don't be mixed up with the team and LOSING. It isn't the team, it is the LOSING.

How posting what is happening, not hoping, becomes negative is a result of understanding.

Most of the media are dependent upon the NHL or team's for employment in this city. In places where there is less media ownership they can be less team biased. An example, Toronto.

The media here in Vancouver go to great lengths to support the team suppressing, censoring and editing most "behind" the scene's or what is really happening and support the most idiotic narratives.

Currently a narrative out here is it takes 8 year to do a proper rebuild, mean while the TO media laments the scorched earth Shanaplan that resulted in going to the playoffs. The TO media post and then it is carried here;

Shanahan’s 11-year run began with a scorched-earth rebuild in 2014.

“While I am proud of the rebuild we embarked on starting in 2014, ultimately, I came here to help win the Stanley Cup, and we did not. There is nothing more I wanted to deliver to our fans, and my biggest regret is that we could not finish the job,” Shanahan said in a statement.

But owned media, marketing posters and some fanatics will ignore and push the fallacy of a rebuild to the most NEGATIVE of possibilities. Most of the content is all about instant gratification, now for get tomorrow, forget how the Canucks have got some of the very best players this franchise has ever had. They constantly select the worst possible outcomes. NEGATIVITY.

I think the fact they have a captive audience, no other choice for local sports news, one radio station.
Then the local media guys select the most negative social media output and enhance that negativity, but fail to point out that negativity is about the team losing and the repeated decisions that have resulted in the same outcomes.

IMO the negativity offered up by the owned media is the STERN effect, hate what is said but can't wait to hear what is said. They take on the role of representing the fans knowing that most aren't that way.
Only the most passionate fans throw away $200+ jersey's, hire planes to fly banners, spend 10's of thousands on sets and sit at home instead of going. But those people get ridiculed and called team haters.

Sometimes posting the standings is turned into being a hater. The standings are the ultimate measuring stick of success.

I post that Quinn Hughes originally signed his contract taking him to FA, BIG negative but when he signed it was news about the end. They had 6 years to build a winner. I post that while in his family's home right after his brother Luke was drafted Quinn made the comment not too much paraphrasing here, "I can't wait until we can play together". This was denied for years until just recently as being negative, now some of those stories that praised that signing come back, the term of the contract and possible outcome.

Even when stated almost outright by the team that he might go, think on that because no team goes out and says it is out of their hands unless they know, there are a lot of media and posters refusing to listen or try very hard to re-write four simple words, "out of our hands".

Dhali often bemoans twitter post, I don't twitters very often and only follow a few select twitter accounts but he measures how many are listening by counting how many people they can piss off, the Stern effect.
Yup. Don’t follow the owners plan and say goodbye to your job. That goes for media, coaches, and management. And it could mean not getting another job connected to the nhl.
 
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I agree. Just thinking that if he's staying in the sports realm, is there much of a need to pay the tuition plus the opportunity cost of going to school for it to pay off? Is he going to become the next Rick Westhead or something?

He doesn't have to stay in sports journalism. Fully possible he obtained a scholarship as well.
 
Yup. Don’t follow the owners plan and say goodbye to your job. That goes for media, coaches, and management. And it could mean not getting another job connected to the nhl.
This has been happening for a decade longer than the Aquilini's
When Bettman testified that the NHL is one entity and there is no competition between the teams.
This is in public court records during the Arizona bankruptcy proceedings, while under oath.

Bettman is no dummy, even Brian Burke advocated for media censorship and control.
The business plan is everyone sells any team and it is good for the league, team, market and media personalities, they all make more money being cheerleaders and supporting the teams regardless of efficiency.

Owners make money, all of them, if US markets pick up getting more US TV money, franchise values increase and US teams are winners.
The competition for the sports dollar is intense in most of the US, Colleges, basket ball, Football and Baseball.

In Canada hockey rules, TO has a basket ball and baseball teams but the rest of the nations is basically the NHL team and 2nd or 3rd the CFL and Soccer. Junior teams draw pretty well too.
Canadian teams pretty much fill arenas regardless of records and with the loser point it makes most teams look hugely better than they really are.

The business plan is there and been operating for decades. One for all and all for the one.
 
Brough sucks. I was such a big fan of their show but he's such a buzzkill makes it tough to listen.

He asked a guest about the Hronek trade talk and framed it "is Hughes going to cry about this?"
 
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we need more journalists to be honest. but it takes extra courage to invest your life into any form of a writing career now. Its such a sad state of affairs, writing and art are under extreme pressure thanks to generative AI.

I think we need more investigative journalists but not so much journalists. But ya anybody who doesn't just quote a "report from insider" and then write a few words about it would be an upgrade to what we have these days.

I think another issue here is that once you do have someone writing some good articles they get noticed and inevitably end up doing radio or podcasts and they just repeat themselves.
 
Do we have a local BC thread ? I wasn't sure where to post this. It is a 13 minute doc on Westwood Motorsport park. Growing up I remember hearing about Westwood a lot but I had no idea what it was. I knew it was a track but I had no idea that it was this hardcore. F1 champions like Keke Rosberg actually raced on this track. What a loss. The 2nd clip is Don Taylor reporting on the end of Westwood



 
Do we have a local BC thread ? I wasn't sure where to post this. It is a 13 minute doc on Westwood Motorsport park. Growing up I remember hearing about Westwood a lot but I had no idea what it was. I knew it was a track but I had no idea that it was this hardcore. F1 champions like Keke Rosberg actually raced on this track. What a loss. The 2nd clip is Don Taylor reporting on the end of Westwood




someone I know well raced there for years

deer were a problem, one driver was killed when his open-wheel car hit one on the track - part of the track setup was flag-people assigned to watch for deer, but shit happens

several things about the track:

- there is quite a bit of elevation change (well yeah, they built it up the mountain) - I think even way more than places like Laguna Seca - and that has implications for overheating the brakes, among other things

- pits were up at one end, there is a very long straightaway into the hairpin at the other (lower) end - we would help get the drivers in their cars, then hop in our own cars and drive back to the hairpin to watch, because . . .

- virtually all the passing was done at the hairpin. really no other place to pass

- big sweeping turn just after the pits - at the opposite end from the hairpin - was called the Carousel. The number of old tires built up on the outside of it as crash protection was wild

- and you had multiple categories racing at once (not the Atlantics, they had the track to themselves iirc) so you would have much faster groups of cars mixed on the track with slower cars - the drivers knew each other, and the slower categories knew to get the hell out of the way of the faster ones

- Mazda B210's were pretty fast, but I thought the Datsun 510's were faster; there were some Rabbits and even a Scirroco, a couple first gen RX-7's with the distinct sounds. some 911's and maybe a 924 or 944 iirc

- the guy I know raced a Volvo P1800, and his best time was always about 1:30. Rules allowed for stock cars to upgrade to what later models of the car had, so he took out the 1,8l four-banger and put in a 2.0l, still stock

- we were very excited to see how he would do, and sure enough, cut off 2 seconds postng a 1:28 . . . and then disappeared . . . and then the black flags came out. That was terrifying. We knew all the cars, and we knew his was the only car that didn't pass us at the hairpin, so we piled into our cars and booted back to the pits . . . aaaand way up the tire-wall of the Carousel, there was the Volvo. Who knew it could fly? Always upgrade the brakes when you upgrade your engine. Last race he ever did

Beautiful track up in the mountains, surrounded by forest. Miss it
 
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Brough sucks. I was such a big fan of their show but he's such a buzzkill makes it tough to listen.

He asked a guest about the Hronek trade talk and framed it "is Hughes going to cry about this?"
Sad state of the media these days.

All media is like that. I never click on "Player X is someone that the Canucks are targeting" as they never mention what would go the other way. Hate that kind of laziness from the media.
 
someone I know well raced there for years

deer were a problem, one driver was killed when his open-wheel car hit one on the track - part of the track setup was flag-people assigned to watch for deer, but shit happens

several things about the track:

- there is quite a bit of elevation change (well yeah, they built it up the mountain) - I think even way more than places like Laguna Seca - and that has implications for overheating the brakes, among other things

- pits were up at one end, there is a very long straightaway into the hairpin at the other (lower) end - we would help get the drivers in their cars, then hop in our own cars and drive back to the hairpin to watch, because . . .

- virtually all the passing was done at the hairpin. really no other place to pass

- big sweeping turn just after the pits - at the opposite end from the hairpin - was called the Carousel. The number of old tires built up on the outside of it as crash protection was wild

- and you had multiple categories racing at once (not the Atlantics, they had the track to themselves iirc) so you would have much faster groups of cars mixed on the track with slower cars - the drivers knew each other, and the slower categories knew to get the hell out of the way of the faster ones

- Mazda B210's were pretty fast, but I thought the Datsun 510's were faster; there were some Rabbits and even a Scirroco, a couple first gen RX-7's with the distinct sounds. some 911's and maybe a 924 or 944 iirc

- the guy I know raced a Volvo P1800, and his best time was always about 1:30. Rules allowed for stock cars to upgrade to what later models of the car had, so he took out the 1,8l four-banger and put in a 2.0l, still stock

- we were very excited to see how he would do, and sure enough, cut off 2 seconds postng a 1:28 . . . and then disappeared . . . and then the black flags came out. That was terrifying. We knew all the cars, and we knew his was the only car that didn't pass us at the hairpin, so we piled into our cars and booted back to the pits . . . aaaand way up the tire-wall of the Carousel, there was the Volvo. Who knew it could fly? Always upgrade the brakes when you upgrade your engine. Last race he ever did

Beautiful track up in the mountains, surrounded by forest. Miss it
The difference between the US Europe and Canada at least on my opinion , is that this track would have been adequately replaced with something close and the same size. In the US , they might have built the city around it. Mission is not a replacement. It is just so sad that we had this level of racing heritage and its gone.
 
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The difference between the US Europe and Canada at least on my opinion , is that this track would have been adequately replaced with something close and the same size. In the US , they might have built the city around it. Mission is not a replacement. It is just so sad that we had this level of racing heritage and its gone.
Yeah, it is was an amazing community/location/experience, and now it is simply gone

Very sad
 
The difference between the US Europe and Canada at least on my opinion , is that this track would have been adequately replaced with something close and the same size. In the US , they might have built the city around it. Mission is not a replacement. It is just so sad that we had this level of racing heritage and its gone.

I disagree with the US part at least. They just closed Irwindale in the US, that track has some cool history too.

We like to glamorize the US for a lot of things, mkae it sound better... but its really not.
 
I disagree with the US part at least. They just closed Irwindale in the US, that track has some cool history too.

We like to glamorize the US for a lot of things, mkae it sound better... but its really not.
I can't stand the glamourizing of the US with most things either.

I'm just very disappointed in Western Canada and motorsport in general.
Western Canada has no motorsports these days. No Indy in Vancouver or Edmonton anymore. No F1. The east has both. A promoter tried to have a Formula E race in Vancouver in 2021. Quiet clean cars. Promoting green..but nope. The city made his life hell and he had to cancel. I bet the people would have supported it.

I had tickets and lost money but whatever. I'm not big into Formula E either but at least it was something. Somebody was exploring an Indycar race in Calgary but that never went anywhere. We have all these new race fans from drive to survive and they have no idea what it feels like to be in a paddock or at an event. The sounds and smells of it all
 
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I can't stand the glamourizing of the US with most things either.

I'm just very disappointed in Western Canada and motorsport in general.
Western Canada has no motorsports these days. No Indy in Vancouver or Edmonton anymore. No F1. The east has both. A promoter tried to have a Formula E race in Vancouver in 2021. Quiet clean cars. Promoting green..but nope. The city made his life hell and he had to cancel. I bet the people would have supported it.

I had tickets and lost money but whatever. I'm not big into Formula E either but at least it was something. Somebody was exploring an Indycar race in Calgary but that never went anywhere. We have all these new race fans from drive to survive and they have no idea what it feels like to be in a paddock or at an event. The sounds and smells of it all
when CART was here, it was something else. Walking through the pits and chatting with Mansell* or Rahal or Andretti. Unser owned that first course

The course itself sucked for passing, but we had seats near the pits, which was pretty much where the race was won or lost

Watching Moore in the Indylights was a hilite, but he never had good luck in Vancouver. So sad he was killed

*people can say he won the WC because of Newey, but I thought he looked pretty decent in a CART car
 
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when CART was here, it was something else. Walking through the pits and chatting with Mansell* or Rahal or Andretti. Unser owned that first course

The course itself sucked for passing, but we had seats near the pits, which was pretty much where the race was won or lost

Watching Moore in the Indylights was a hilite, but he never had good luck in Vancouver. So sad he was killed

*people can say he won the WC because of Newey, but I thought he looked pretty decent in a CART car
Yeah. It didn't really matter that the track was bad for passing. The speed , the sound and the state of the art cars were the show. Back in the Molson Indy days , CART was close to the same level as F1.

I remember one of those years , it rained hard and Greg Moore (RIP) went for slicks early because his race was already compromised. It didn't work. He spun out if I remember right.

Newey was working for Rahal yeah. Bobby himself was briefly the team principal of Jaguar F1 which turned into Red Bull
 
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