The Tank Megathread | 8 | The Tank Awakens

[Evolu7ion]

Horvat is 20
Hutton is 22
Horvat had 15 points in last 14 games
Just saying...

I love Horvat as a building block, I really do, but I see him more in the mold of a Kesler than a Getzlaf/Toews/Kopitar etc. I would love nothing more than for him to prove me wrong, I just don't see the elite offensive upside and ability to drive offense in the playoffs when the games get tighter required of a top end 1C.

 

[Bad News Benning]

People fail to realize that bad teams win games. We aren't going to lose every game the rest of the season.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Baertschi Horvat Markstrom Hutton doing well, so can't really be mad.

Buuuuut would be good to get some assets and a nice juicy pick...

It's possible for both to occur. I just hope that this isn't lost on the posters that are hoping for the Canucks to lose.

 

[timw33]

People fail to realize that bad teams win games. We aren't going to lose every game the rest of the season.

Unless you're the Oilers of the past 7+ years.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I love Horvat as a building block, I really do, but I see him more in the mold of a Kesler than a Getzlaf/Toews/Kopitar etc. I would love nothing more than for him to prove me wrong, I just don't see the elite offensive upside and ability to drive offense in the playoffs when the games get tighter required of a top end 1C.

He'll be better than Kesler IMO.
Btw, Getzlaf and Kopitar didn't start dominating when they were 20.
As for Toews, he only hit 70+ once in his career so not exactly offensive dominant, but can you say he's not a 1C?

 

[Bad News Benning]

Unless you're the Oilers of the past 7+ years.

well yeah we aren't likely to out tank teams like Edmonton, Buffalo, Toronto, and Columbus who all have experience in tanking.

I think some people still have visions of getting a Top 3 pick eventhough it's not realistic or attainable. The sooner people accept a 5-10 pick the easier it will be to enjoy the odd win like this.

 

[Horse McHindu]

I am back on team tank, I really want a top 5 pick this year. Is that so much to ask?.

It's entirely possible to trade for a Top 5 pick without having to deliberately tank.

 

[Peen]

Even if we win tomorrow, we won't win on Saturday because we don't win 3 games in a row.

 

[Evolu7ion]

He'll be better than Kesler IMO.
Btw, Getzlaf and Kopitar didn't start dominating when they were 20.
As for Toews, he only hit 70+ once in his career so not exactly offensive dominant, but can you say he's not a 1C?

Toews has 102 pts in 117 career playoff games - that is 0.87 PPG, which averages out to 72 points over an 82 game schedule to put that in perspective. Those are pretty damn good offensive numbers in the playoffs when scoring is harder to come by and it matters most. And that is on top of Selke winning defensive prowess.

Kopitar put up 61 points in 72 GP in his rookie season and followed that up with 77P in 82 GP.

Getzlaf put up 39P in 57 GP in his rookie season, 58P in 82GP in his sophomore season, and then 82P in 77 PG in his third season. So I guess he was the slowest out of the gate out of the three of them.

Only time will tell. I really do hope he proves me wrong because this team will be hard pressed to return to contender status without a dominant 1C.

 

[canwincup]

I just hope we move our expiring contracts at the deadline, I would rather make the playoffs but I also would be thrilled with a top 5 pick. I'm honestly hoping Benning moves Hamhuis and Vrbata and then whatever happens will happen.

 

[Canucker]

It's entirely possible to trade for a Top 5 pick without having to deliberately tank.

Why give up assets to move up when you can just lose a few more meaningless games?

 

[Exquisite]

I love Horvat as a building block, I really do, but I see him more in the mold of a Kesler than a Getzlaf/Toews/Kopitar etc. I would love nothing more than for him to prove me wrong, I just don't see the elite offensive upside and ability to drive offense in the playoffs when the games get tighter required of a top end 1C.

He definitely has the same upside as those guys

Whether he reaches it, especially in this organization remains to be seen (slim nonetheless as those are 3 premier player in the entire league).

Also Getzlaf has struggled heavily a la Thornton in the post season...

 

[SillyRabbit]

He definitely has the same upside as those guys

Whether he reaches it, especially in this organization remains to be seen (slim nonetheless as those are 3 premier player in the entire league).

Also Getzlaf has struggled heavily a la Thornton in the post season...

He really, really doesn't.

 

[Roy Baby*]

As a part of tank nation, I like this win and here's why:

It shows that there's a solid 2nd line coming through the ranks and I was impressed by Baertschi - the biggest "X factor" according to you guys...he was throwing the body around and made smart plays.. " b b b he took bad penalties" ..he rarely does that.

Also, Horvat is showing that hes adjusted to his 2nd line role and has shown the track record that it takes him time to adjust to "promotions", and just naturally adjusts to the next level. Very encouraging.

Virtanen is my favorite player, but admittedly, looks like he's on a learning curve. I give him a C- this game. It looked like he wanted to do something, but just didn't know where to be. Silver lining is he's developed a "reputation". I've noticed this every game he's played lately that defenseman make "quicker plays" when they see him skating towards them and don't give him the chance to lay a hit. His physical game hasn't disappeared; players are holding their sticks tighter and moving it as quick as they can before they know what the deal is. He had two steals/turnovers as a result.

The other is I really wonder what Etem would look like with a good center. I like him and he needs to stay - with a better center.

Last, a couple positions here and there doesn't make a difference...after Matthews the quality isn't really team defining ..up until the 12th pick there's still a HQ player left on the board. Just don't get into Bean quality territory and the Nucks are good. Yeah I want Tkachuk more than anything, but there's still some solid prospects with different tool sets. Makes 0 difference.


If you can see the bigger picture, it was a good day for tank nation

 

[me2]

He definitely has the same upside as those guys

Whether he reaches it, especially in this organization remains to be seen (slim nonetheless as those are 3 premier player in the entire league).

Also Getzlaf has struggled heavily a la Thornton in the post season...

I don't see him holding the puck and making the same kind of crafty plays the way those guys do. I think that will hold him back from being in that top group.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Why give up assets to move up when you can just lose a few more meaningless games?

Because it sets a bad precedent and example to the young players in our system. What type of message do you think it sends to guys like Horvat, Baertschi, Etem, Markstrom, McCann, Virtanen, Vey, Hutton, etc., when management deliberately 'tanks' via trade all/most vets? Players aren't stupid.

Establishing the integrity of a team is extremely important. That's how you get the young players to 'buy in' to the team code so that one day, they can become leaders on the team.

 

[Toxic0n]

I love Horvat as a building block, I really do, but I see him more in the mold of a Kesler than a Getzlaf/Toews/Kopitar etc. I would love nothing more than for him to prove me wrong, I just don't see the elite offensive upside and ability to drive offense in the playoffs when the games get tighter required of a top end 1C.

But he's already better than Kesler was at his age.

 

[CanaFan]

It's entirely possible to trade for a Top 5 pick without having to deliberately tank.

C'mon man. You understand *why* tankers want a high pick right? Because it's a free asset. What's the point of giving up a top asset just to get a pick? Then it becomes a lateral move and we are no further ahead.

Or put it another way. What assets do we have that could realistically garner the #5 pick in this draft? That list starts and ends with Bo Horvat. What a pointless move to trade the one young, productive player we have for a chance to draft exactly that kind of player.

Jeez CMD, some of your posts ...

 

[timw33]

well yeah we aren't likely to out tank teams like Edmonton, Buffalo, Toronto, and Columbus who all have experience in tanking.

I think some people still have visions of getting a Top 3 pick eventhough it's not realistic or attainable. The sooner people accept a 5-10 pick the easier it will be to enjoy the odd win like this.

Top 7 seems to be the place we want to be.

 

[Evolu7ion]

The part that's so damn frustrating and aggravating is if the Canucks could just play like **** to finish this season, endure 20 games of losing, they might luck out and snag Matthews in the lottery. Matthews-Horvat is a 1-2 punch down the middle you can win the cup with. And if you don't get lucky, perhaps you come away with a stud game-breaking winger in Laine or a first pairing Dman like Chychrun. And you'd be essentially guaranteed to add a few top end picks by selling off rentals like Vrbata and Hamhuis. We're so close... the tank is so damn close, but for some reason it just feels like it's going to slide away from us last minute.

 

[Canucker]

Because it sets a bad precedent and example to the young players in our system. What type of message do you think it sends to guys like Horvat, Baertschi, Etem, Markstrom, McCann, Virtanen, Vey, Hutton, etc., when management deliberately 'tanks' via trade all/most vets? Players aren't stupid.

Establishing the integrity of a team is extremely important. That's how you get the young players to 'buy in' to the team code so that one day, they can become leaders on the team.

Cool...Benning needs to buy, sell some prospects and picks on rentals and go for the playoffs and show some "integrity". We'll never amount to anything beyond mediocrity, but they'll have sent a good message.

 

[Roy Baby*]

But he's already better than Kesler was at his age.

He's young...he won't get "it" quite yet




Realistically, 7 is the floor of this teams pick and maybe 13 is the ceiling...anyone (that's actually a seasoned experienced fan) want to tell me what the difference is?...because there isn't

 

[CanaFan]

Because it sets a bad precedent and example to the young players in our system. What type of message do you think it sends to guys like Horvat, Baertschi, Etem, Markstrom, McCann, Virtanen, Vey, Hutton, etc., when management deliberately 'tanks' via trade all/most vets? Players aren't stupid.

It doesn't send any message. It just shows they have a plan and you are a big part of that. Jesus Christ, do you think these players are 2 year olds who have no clue about what got them to the NHL in the first place? "Oh noezzz, management traded Dan Hamhuis, how will I ever learn to be a winner now???!?"

Establishing the integrity of a team is extremely important. That's how you get the young players to 'buy in' to the team code so that one day, they can become leaders on the team.

Integrity is important? Sure.

How does trading pending UFAs for assets rather than lose them for nothing hurt their "integrity"?

 

[Knight53]

Because it sets a bad precedent and example to the young players in our system. What type of message do you think it sends to guys like Horvat, Baertschi, Etem, Markstrom, McCann, Virtanen, Vey, Hutton, etc., when management deliberately 'tanks' via trade all/most vets? Players aren't stupid.

Establishing the integrity of a team is extremely important. That's how you get the young players to 'buy in' to the team code so that one day, they can become leaders on the team.

how is wanting to trade Hamhuis, Vrbata, and maybe Hansen trading "all vets".

Im sure Virtanen would be thrilled if Vrbata is traded, maybe he actually would've some stability on this team.

 

[The Drop]

C'mon man. You understand *why* tankers want a high pick right? Because it's a free asset. What's the point of giving up a top asset just to get a pick? Then it becomes a lateral move and we are no further ahead.

Or put it another way. What assets do we have that could realistically garner the #5 pick in this draft? That list starts and ends with Bo Horvat. What a pointless move to trade the one young, productive player we have for a chance to draft exactly that kind of player.

Jeez CMD, some of your posts ...

Some?? Like 99% of his posts