The state of the Habs Rebuild - The Next step

[Lafleurs Guy]

empty or heavily biased criticism is useless regardless of rebuild status... There's a big difference between critique and mindless emotional ranting.

That's apparently hard for some to understand no matter how many times their hot takes prove baseless or refuted over time... As the Slaf thread last season "should" have taught some.

The reality is that some players won’t pan out. It’s unfortunate but true.

Dach was pretty blue chip before his injury but now has struggled to come back. And… maybe he never will. I don’t think that’s the case but it’s possible. Likewise Newhook looked good last year but had injury problems.

This year the whole club is off. I’d attribute it to the system but who knows? It doesn’t change the big picture though. The team is still well positioned for the future. We may have some holes we didn’t expect- 2nd line center for example - but our Laval players are killing it, Demidov, Hage and RB are on the way… still a great place to be.

We’re not even a quarter into the season yet. Let’s see where it goes. Still lots of time for guys like Dach and Newhook to find their game.

 

[teamfirst]

empty or heavily biased criticism is useless regardless of rebuild status... There's a big difference between critique and mindless emotional ranting.

That's apparently hard for some to understand no matter how many times their hot takes prove baseless or refuted over time... As the Slaf thread last season "should" have taught some.

That's the thing tho with opinions no matter how much YOU think that they're baseless or that you refuted them doesn't mean that you're right......it still just your opinion.

 

[LaP]

That's the thing tho with opinions no matter how much YOU think that they're baseless or that you refuted them doesn't mean that you're right......it still just your opinion.

I'm lost. So basically if you successfully refute an "opinion" with facts that "opinion" might still be right? Are you a flat earth believer?

An opinion is saying i dislike The Tree of Life or i like Avengers: Endgame. Or i prefer the color blue. Those are opinions. They usually can't be refuted because well they are opinions.

It's okay to not like Slaf as a player. But he is a good prospect. There's only 66 players in NHL history who did 50+ points as a 19 years old and easily half of them became very good players and that's not an opinion that's quantifiable.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I'm lost. So basically if you successfully refute an "opinion" with facts that "opinion" might still be right? Are you a flat earth believer?

An opinion is saying i dislike The Tree of Life or i like Avengers: Endgame. Or i prefer the color blue. Those are opinions. They usually can't be refuted because well they are opinions.

It's okay to not like Slaf as a player. But he is a good prospect. There's only 66 players in NHL history who did 50+ points as a 19 years old and easily half of them became very good players and that's not an opinion that's quantifiable.

random Terrence Malick shoutout

 

[habamillions]

I give it a B+. He was put in a really tough spot with terrible contracts like gally,andy and armia. Like his drafting for the most part especially last year. Only thing i havent liked is the picks of reinbacher and mesar. Hope they work out in the future but right now looks like a miss, but still early in there careers

 

[themilosh]

I give it a B+. He was put in a really tough spot with terrible contracts like gally,andy and armia. Like his drafting for the most part especially last year. Only thing i havent liked is the picks of reinbacher and mesar. Hope they work out in the future but right now looks like a miss, but still early in there careers

Imo the only big mistake Hugo made was drafting Mesar, what a complete whiff that was.. lol

While i (too) wanted Michkov i completely understood (and accepted) the Reinbacher selection, and am prepared to give him another 2 years (this year and next) to establish himself.. it makes sense to acquire a RHD.. a badly needed position for every NHL team: scarcity = value.

I'd love to use CC acquire a legit 2RD.. i know this is unpopular, but im simply not a fan of his game.. it's clear hugo knew if they selected Michkov then CC had to go, you cannot have two small wingers in your top 6.

 

[LaP]

random Terrence Malick shoutout

I actually like the tree of life but i watched it while high so that probably helped. I said dislike because i did not want to get involved in a discussion with an anti-tree of lifer those guys are passionate to a religious level about their disdain for the movie.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I actually like the tree of life but i watched it while high so that probably helped. I said dislike because i did not want to get involved in a discussion with an anti-tree of lifer those guys are passionate to a religious level about their disdain for the movie.

it's a great film ...the haters ..dont @ me

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'm lost. So basically if you successfully refute an "opinion" with facts that "opinion" might still be right? Are you a flat earth believer?

An opinion is saying i dislike The Tree of Life or i like Avengers: Endgame. Or i prefer the color blue. Those are opinions. They usually can't be refuted because well they are opinions.

It's okay to not like Slaf as a player. But he is a good prospect. There's only 66 players in NHL history who did 50+ points as a 19 years old and easily half of them became very good players and that's not an opinion that's quantifiable.

Similarly, it’s fine to argue that you don’t want a rebuild. But when you say that rebuilds don’t work, it’s just factually wrong.

Rebuilding isn’t a guarantee- but nothing is. The vast majority of cup winners are rebuilds. That doesn’t mean that if you rebuild you’ll win a cup though.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Hire Weber as talent and culture coordinator. He'll set them straight.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1857909842477731893

 

[teamfirst]

I'm lost. So basically if you successfully refute an "opinion" with facts that "opinion" might still be right? Are you a flat earth believer?

An opinion is saying i dislike The Tree of Life or i like Avengers: Endgame. Or i prefer the color blue. Those are opinions. They usually can't be refuted because well they are opinions.

It's okay to not like Slaf as a player. But he is a good prospect. There's only 66 players in NHL history who did 50+ points as a 19 years old and easily half of them became very good players and that's not an opinion that's quantifiable.

Was not talking about Slaf, where did you take that, i,m one of the few around here who wanted Hugo to draft him 1st overall and still think he will be a great player, reading or comprehension problem maybe

 

[Miller Time]

That's the thing tho with opinions no matter how much YOU think that they're baseless or that you refuted them doesn't mean that you're right......it still just your opinion.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
- Jeff Lebowski

 

[HuGort]

Barron hasn't even played 100 games... nothing is stalled there. Injuries have sucked, no question about it. Newhook I don't see as a core player. He's a guy who provides depth scoring.

Dach's a different story. He looked awesome and set up to be our number 2 (maybe even number one) but injuries have totally disrupted things. This is a make or break in terms of relying on him for that role and we're using him on the wing. It sucks but 2nd line center could well be an open question by the time this year's over. Still early, still lots of time for Dach to find his game but...

I've seen Dach mail it in at times. Could be not fully over injuries I don't know. If he doesn't make it as #2 center going to push rebuild back.

Newhook should be better. He had good college career and has speed and hands. Barron has good raw skills but lacks decision making. Tries to do too much at times and gets into trouble.

Matheson played his best game this season against Colombus. He probably should been traded last deadline or in summer coming off career year. Likely lost value since. Likewise Anderson couple years back. Regardless of return, I just want the 5 million caphit back. Caproom could be tight next summer if Hughes fixes his defense. Habs need size yes, but tough fourth liner shouldn't be hard to replace him with.

 

[ReHabs]

Imo the only big mistake Hugo made was drafting Mesar, what a complete whiff that was.. lol

He's made other mistakes. I think betting on a skill player with a first round pick is generally fine tbh.

While i (too) wanted Michkov i completely understood (and accepted) the Reinbacher selection, and am prepared to give him another 2 years (this year and next) to establish himself.. it makes sense to acquire a RHD.. a badly needed position for every NHL team: scarcity = value.

Fully agree. I was sanguine about the Reinbacher pick because it seemed the organization was completely convinced of it.

I'd love to use CC acquire a legit 2RD.. i know this is unpopular, but im simply not a fan of his game.. it's clear hugo knew if they selected Michkov then CC had to go, you cannot have two small wingers in your top 6.

They bet on the bird in hand (CC + Reinbacher) over the one in bush (MM). It makes sense from a team building POV even if it is extremely frustrating to think about Michkov getting better and better. He's already outproducing Cooley and Slafkovsky ffs.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Still can't believe we're still looking for a motherf***ing center after all those years

At least we already have Suzuki, so truly we're looking for a 1B/2 Center, but still, wtf

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Still can't believe we're still looking for a motherf***ing center after all those years

At least we already have Suzuki, so truly we're looking for a 1B/2 Center, but still, wtf

We also still looking for a RD since i dont count Guhle as a RHD

 

[ReHabs]

We also still looking for a RD since i dont count Guhle as a RHD

We had Subban and Weber as recently as 2021z

We haven’t had a 1C since the 90s.