The state of the Habs Rebuild - The Next step

What note you give to Kent Hughes' Rebuild? ?

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    Votes: 202 55.3%
  • B

    Votes: 130 35.6%
  • C

    Votes: 31 8.5%
  • D

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • E

    Votes: 1 0.3%
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HuGort

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Canadiens top nine in a few years could be fantastic.

Ten players we may be looking at: CC, Demidov, Laine, Beck, Dach, Suzuki, Newhook, Slaf, Hage, Roy... Some may not be here or will be traded. Bur that's a pretty damn good starting point.
You want to build a top defense. A good goalie, if not great goalie. Strength down the middle with snipers on the wings.
 

HabzSauce

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Honestly very frustrating to watch but rebuild is A+ so far.

This is a long game. 3-4 more years till were in business. Sucks but it's what it takes.

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HabsWhiteKnightLOL

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I can't believe all the negative comments on MSL,

Un petit gars de chez nous...

A hockey hall of famer...

The players love him and can actually learn things from him...

Very sad to read some of these comments.

Give your head a shake folks.
his coaching his awful , who cares if hes a HoF , so was #99 .
Tell me whats the game plan when you watch the habs , it feels like everyone play in their corner.
 
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GrandmaCookie

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And yet the Hawks had more drafting power. So did the Ducks. And CBJ. And the Sharks.

Caufield stagnated pretty hard and what was a promising elite prospect is now looking like a 2nd liner. Newhook is the same player he was in Colorado. Dach... mostly bad luck.

Guhle and Slaf did.
Last season he actually improved his production by 70% from the year before he was in Colorado, which was a peak year for him.
 

Miller Time

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I can't believe all the negative comments on MSL,

Un petit gars de chez nous...

A hockey hall of famer...

The players love him and can actually learn things from him...

Very sad to read some of these comments.

Give your head a shake folks.

what's most surprising to me is how oblivious these hyper critical fans are to the very observable coaching success MSL has had.

The almost universal progress our U25 players have made under his watch and the top to bottom roster engagement and solidarity despite 2 1/2 very difficult seasons, is an impressive coaching feat... And exactly what we needed at this point in the roster development.

I don't think many of these people have any clue what coaching is actually about, nor a sense of just how hard it would be for any coach to get this kind of positive outcome.
 

The Real Timo

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I can't believe all the negative comments on MSL,

Un petit gars de chez nous...

A hockey hall of famer...

The players love him and can actually learn things from him...

Very sad to read some of these comments.

Give your head a shake folks.
Sure all those things but also a bad coach for the team now. Time to give him a special consultant role and find a coach more fitting for the stage the team is at now.
 

River Meadow

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Sure all those things but also a bad coach for the team now. Time to give him a special consultant role and find a coach more fitting for the stage the team is at now.

What stage is the team at?

We were the 5th worst team in the league last season.

All of a sudden, a few months later, with the very same roster +boy wonder, people think we're a playoff team.

BrUh
 

The Real Timo

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What stage is the team at?

We were the 5th worst team in the league last season.

All of a sudden, a few months later, with the very same roster +boy wonder, people think we're a playoff team.

BrUh
Bruh. We are at the stage where the entire team has no clue what they are doing in any of the 3 zones on the ice. Especially own zone.
 

Riggins

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I think many are a little naive about how long this is going to take. Some of the journalists haven't helped and seem to think the progression will be linear and the team will keep improving until they are a perennial playoff team sooner rather than later.

We can't ice a defence like this and expect to be anywhere near the playoffs. It could be another three years before this team is any good, at which point the ages of the players will be:

Laine? 29
Suzuki 28
Caufield 26
Slafkovsky 23
Dach 26
Newhook 26
Demidov 21
Hage 21
Guhle 25
Hutson 23
Reinbacher 22
Maillioux 24
Montembault 30
Fowler 22

Even then that's still a young team 3 years from now! Some of these guys will be gone and hopefully a bunch of productive vets brought in.
 
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morhilane

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what's most surprising to me is how oblivious these hyper critical fans are to the very observable coaching success MSL has had.

The almost universal progress our U25 players have made under his watch and the top to bottom roster engagement and solidarity despite 2 1/2 very difficult seasons, is an impressive coaching feat... And exactly what we needed at this point in the roster development.

I don't think many of these people have any clue what coaching is actually about, nor a sense of just how hard it would be for any coach to get this kind of positive outcome.
I think the biggest issue is that people don't know what MSL is telling his players or his actual objectives. Especially the last two seasons when the focus was on development.

Even if the team is playing like shit with low efforts and poor execution collectively, I personally think individidually some of them are still improving.

And the low effort seems to be tied to MSL trying to manage, and have the players manage, their energy over 60 minutes/82 games. The way he explained it, it seems like the team isn't suposed to play the same way all the time. That's going to cause confusion/synch issues.

There is also confusion in the dzone because they are implementing a new system and it's very hard to know if the players are doing what the coaches are telling them there...:laugh:
 
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Miller Time

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I think the biggest issue is that people don't know what MSL is telling his players or his actual objectives. Especially the last two seasons when the focus was on development.

Even if the team is playing like shit with low efforts and poor execution collectively, I personally think individidually some of them are still improving.

And the low effort seems to be tied to MSL trying to manage, and have the players manage, their energy over 60 minutes/82 games. The way he explained it, it seems like the team isn't suposed to play the same way all the time. That's going to cause confusion/synch issues.

There is also confusion in the dzone because they are implementing a new system and it's very hard to know if the players are doing what the coaches are telling them there...:laugh:

Structure and strict systems are easy to implement and a much quicker way to raise the performance floor of a group... But the ceiling is limited by that same rigidity.

Fluid, read & react play is far more difficult to excel at, but when achieved, leads to a much higher performance ceiling... Especially if the group has a high degree of individual talent.

Slaf, Suzuki, CC, Dach, Laine, Newhook.

6 first round talents, 3 of which were top 3 in their respective drafts.

Plus Demidov & Hage

Guhle, Hutson, Barron, RB, Mailloux, Engstrom, Konyushkov... 4 first round talents and 3 that may well prove to have been first round caliber talents from their respective draft classes....

Hughes is quite clearly focused on assembling high skill/talent individuals, the likes of which could absolutely excel in that type of play.

What we're witnessing is the painful and necessary dip that has to be traversed in order to allow that huge ceiling to be realized.

Hiring a coach like a Claude Julien absolutely could come in a instill a far more structured and rigid style of play that would quickly reduce the mistakes & perceived "lack of structure" the armchair brigade is clamoring for... Fortunately, our leadership group sees the bigger picture and has the patience & determination to stick to the hard path of getting there.

Best part. MSL seems to be doing a great job of keeping the team's spirit and confidence high despite the fan/media reactivity. Hopefully that is still true by the end of this season
 
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BJCOLLINS

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Patients and a short memory are crucial elements for a fan base during a rebuild.

There was a frenetic buzz coming into the season with Laine & perhaps Demidov……then the sugar crash. I’m sure our players experienced the same emotion. Sucks to watch our D struggle but they are very young. We are still a couple of year’s away.

Go Habs
Cheers.
 

yianik

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would you agree we play a reckless system and one that doesn't benefit the makeup of the team? I'm not entirely sure of what our system is, but players are often trapped or put in vulnerable situations.

It's just confusing watching guys hang out 2ft from the boards, getting smoked into them and chasing pucks into corners night after night. We don't play in the middle of the ice, and we pay the price for it. This stems back since MSL arrived.
We have gone from 30 years of totalitarian, counterattack hockey to a coach who encourages creative play and wants players to use their judgement.

Demers was the right mix. He let young guys play their game and then worked them into the system. MSL still needs to get there. For instance last year he tried to get Anderson to play a smarter game but it's not Anderson, he is a North south guy.
 

Tyson

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Has MSL truly shown that he and his staff are good enough yet? Habs have changed players but their system leaves alot to be desired.
 

Habs

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We have gone from 30 years of totalitarian, counterattack hockey to a coach who encourages creative play and wants players to use their judgement.

Demers was the right mix. He let young guys play their game and then worked them into the system. MSL still needs to get there. For instance last year he tried to get Anderson to play a smarter game but it's not Anderson, he is a North south guy.

I don't see anything creative at all about our 'system' or copying the drop pass on the PP that clearly doesn't work for us. That's just me though
 

salbutera

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Hedman wasn't fully in the top pairing role until D5

Hedman won his first cup with Tampa at D11


Not sure what level of play/impact you consider "being capable"... But I think it's an overly pessimistic take to assume that RB can't or won't be a top 4 dman for us in 3 seasons from now (D5).

It's one thing to point out that IF he doesn't pan out, we'll need to find other top 4 RD solutions... Quite another to claim the sky is falling because he got injured at the start of D2.

Patience doesn't cost anything, might as well let the bad things come, if they do, than to spend months/years worrying about "if" they do...
Hedman was considered a “bust” at D+3, short memories…
 
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salbutera

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Has MSL truly shown that he and his staff are good enough yet? Habs have changed players but their system leaves alot to be desired.
Is it the system or the players not executing a system that’s dependent on proper “reads”? I would say the latter, as did Aaron Ward, Mike Johnson, Biz, and a few other former players this past week
 
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