Post-Game Talk: The Sieve We Know

[Canovin]

Stecher being out is a back breaker. He was playing very well down the stretch and is a usable player for 15-18 mins per night in a bunch of different situations. He can play with varying partners and be steady.

Brown/Dineen/Klingberg is a significant downgrade.

Dineen is not a significant downgrade. It helps that Stecher partner is usually Nurse or Kulak. If Dineen played, his partner would be Emberson

 

[1981 Oilers]

Stecher being out is a back breaker. He was playing very well down the stretch and is a usable player for 15-18 mins per night in a bunch of different situations. He can play with varying partners and be steady.

Brown/Dineen/Klingberg is a significant downgrade.

I like Stetcher as well and agreed, he was playing well down the stretch. Right now, I think I would play Dineen. Better skater then Brown and can move the puck

 

[bobbythebrain]

I can understand this argument. Kuemper really should have had 2 of our 5 goals.

Where I think the criticism comes from is this is a repeat problem of Skinner having zero lateral speed nor athleticism. The 5 on 3 goal was a normal cross ice pass on a PK and he still could not make it to the other side of his net. On the game winner he drops and waits for it to hit him.

The bigger issue, as I think has been mentioned earlier in this thread, is not him specifically but that management has not made it a priority to upgrade him. This will, and maybe already has, cost us any chance at a Cup. Need Pickard to go on a heater.

Lmao. Making the 5 on 3 goal seem like it should've bee routine.

Meanwhile Drai scores 30% of his goals from even further out.

It's hilarious to see the takes on here by the goalie whisperers. Honestly, not sure whyll more people on here aren't playing in the pros lol

It's also hilarious you're saying he isn't athletic enough to make that save....cuz guess what. He made precisely that save earlier in the year...against the same team no less

 

[CupofOil]

Very greedy decision to keep them out. Top line and Bouchard pairing should have been on the bench.

I'll play Devils' Advocate. The Kings were heavily on their heels, were reeling big time, and that was the Oilers opportunity to go for the kill shot and it almost worked because they had a few quality chances directly after. Plus the top defensemen in particular were logging so many minutes that there might not have been much gas left in the tank for OT. I think being aggressive in that moment was the right call, in theory.

 

[MoontoScott]

Is that even confirmed here? That POS Schwartz picks?

He has to have some relation to somebody in this org. Cockroach just keeps on surviving.

I don't know but a number of the guys on this site have said that they believe this is the case.

Can you imagine somebody telling Glen Sather, Scotty Bowman or Al Arbour who was going to start in net?? Kind of unlikely.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Play Pickard. Treat Stu as his backup, that simple. Pickard isn’t some elite goalie but it’s the best option. Figure this shit out already in the off season!

Or worst case one of the kids, see if they catch lightning in a bottle with them.

 

[K1984]

I'll play Devils' Advocate. The Kings were heavily on their heels and that was the Oilers opportunity to go for the killshot and it almost worked because they have a few quality chances directly after. Plus the top defensemen in particular were logging so many minutes that there might not have been much gas left in the tank for OT. I think being aggressive in that moment was the right call, in theory.

I agree. We had them reeling.

The mistake was in between Bouchard's ears. The half step forward he took at the blue line was what kicked everything off. Just a dumb, unnecessary choice in that situation despite the fact that the goalie sucks.

 

[MessierThanThou]

THE WHOLE TEAM SUCKED and they were NOT READY TO PLAY on time. The team looked a like a team who hasnt played a game together in over a month, and had a bunch guys returning, I saw people criticizing Frederick last night.. he hasn't played since February, well he played 7 minutes two weeks ago, but come on guys. Chemistry is a thing and needs time to build.

When you say the "Whole Team Sucked" you should really exclude McDavid from that statement. It invalidates everything you just said. What he did last night is prove that he's still the best player in the game right now. Not a single intelligent person will ever say that he doesn't show up for the playoffs just because he doesn't have a Cup. That's 110% on management for their unprecedented incompetence, for no team with two players as good as McDrai have ever gone ten seasons without Stanley.

And maybe, just maybe, people are upset with Stu because this isn't the first time. Or second. Or third. Or tenth. He almost has a 50% shot of shitting the bed in the playoffs, like a lot of us were warning you guys about as you covered your ears and said "he's great, we're fine." This isn't a one-off, this is a routine that has emerged over two consecutive playoffs and likely three...

 

[ManofSteel55]

The cadence of okish first period, atrocious second period, then a mad dash once they figure out that effort is required in the third needs to stop. Despite being down 2-0 in the first, I thought we were the slightly better team in the period. Then we decided to mope into the second and lose the game.

As predicted, if not for the goalie I think we steam roll them the rest of the series. The moment we actually started playing at a pace that matches a playoff level they couldn't touch us. There is a ton to build on after that 3rd period, and all the things they had to rest on (goaltending, defence, home ice) got exposed in that game.

We will win the series if we can just get below average goaltending and the odd save at the right time. Remains to be seen whether this organization will do the right thing and start Pickard or if they're going to choose to risk yet another playoff year on the garbage goalie that clearly can't get it done.

One positive is Walman. He was f***ing awesome, and is a gamer. He's a guy that can frustrate you at times, but he's not afraid to elevate in the playoffs. If he can inject just a little bit of that into the idiot wearing #2, we are laughing. Hope we can get him on a long term deal at a nice AAV.

This is our biggest issue right now. Not Skinner. Not Bouchard's defensive blunders. It's that we have too many games like last night, where we don't show up to play until the third period. If the team showed up at all before the third, last nights game would have been completely different. We didn't get the miracle comeback (well, we did, but we didn't complete it). If we don't stop this, we might be able to beat LA, but we absolutely won't get any further than the first round, if we even make it out.

That said, the third period has me incredibly optimistic going into game 2. Last night we showed that when we are flying, the Kings still can't stop us. We just have to get moving and playing the top level of hockey that we can play, and we'll get through this round. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a sheep in wolves clothing for round 2 like we got last year with the Canucks.

 

[CupofOil]

I agree. We had them reeling.

The mistake was in between Bouchard's ears. The half step forward he took at the blue line was what kicked everything off. Just a dumb, unnecessary choice in that situation despite the fact that the goalie sucks.

Yeah, it wasn't a "tired" mistake by Bouchard, it was a brain fart mistake.
I actually liked that Knoblauch was going for the win right there and then. To use a football analogy, it's like when you come back to within one near the end of the game then go for 2 against a tired defense. That's what Knoblauch was trying to do, finish them off right there and then and don't give them a chance to collect themselves in intermission. It ultimately backfired but I totally back the idea.

 

[PinSeeker]

Lmao. Making the 5 on 3 goal seem like it should've bee routine.

Meanwhile Drai scores 30% of his goals from even further out.

It's hilarious to see the takes on here by the goalie whisperers. Honestly, not sure whyll more people on here aren't playing in the pros lol

What? Drai almost never fires one timers from the top of the circle because he plays down low. You have no idea what you are on about man.

That's not even the point anyway: Skinner in his career in the playoffs, prorated over an 82 game season rate, would give up over 25 goals above expected. That is calamitous.

 

[tardigrade81]

You kidding me? It is likely upper management that is pushing Skinner in this organization. He'd likely be more at risk if he aggressively went to Pickard.

It literally can't get any f***ing worse though??????? Skinner gave up 6 goals, and although not all his fault there were 2 he gave up I know I could have saved or any high school kid with half a brain. If we lose this series it's on Skinner. Pickard has a higher save percentage than Skinner, and outside of his last start he has been very good in net. There is absolutely no reason to keep Skinner in net. He just simply isn't good

 

[McAsuno]

When I have all of my buddies from Vancouver, MTL, and Toronto always telling me for the last few years "I hope you guys never get a goalie" while laughing, it just enrages me when I see this sh** org never trying to change it. What a waste of Connors productive years

Just look at COL. They were in the shitter this year. Lo and behold they go get a goalie after trying to improve it and they sky rocket.

I said we should've traded for a guy like Blackwood and there were posters along with certain media members saying Blackwood wouldn't even be an upgrade over Pickard (LOL).

Yes, the avs lost last night in OT, but Blackwood made numerous huge saves. f***, even an average goaltender would still help the Oilers. How bad does Skinner need to be in order for another goalie to simply only be average in net for the Oilers to win. It's absolutely disgusting.

 

[ManofSteel55]

When you say the "Whole Team Sucked" you should really exclude McDavid from that statement. It invalidates everything you just said. What he did last night is prove that he's still the best player in the game right now. Not a single intelligent person will ever say that he doesn't show up for the playoffs just because he doesn't have a Cup. That's 110% on management for their unprecedented incompetence, for no team with two players as good as McDrai have ever gone ten seasons without Stanley.

That is on management, because no team with two players as good as Connor and Leon haven't had a legitimate #1 defenseman or a legitimate starting goalie. You can count the teams who have had that kind of talent on a team on two hands - maybe one. Dynasty Habs teams with half the stars in the league on their team, and basically always having the top goalie. Dynasty Islanders (Trottier, Bossy and Potvin), Dynasty Oilers (Gretz/Mess with Coffey and Fuhr), 90s Penguins (Lemieux/Jagr and Coffey), 90's Avalanche (Sakic/Forsberg and Roy)... Crosby's Penguins are the closest to fitting this mold with Sid and Malkin, but Bouchard is no Letang due to his defensive mistakes, and Skinner isn't as good as the Murray/Fleury combo during those runs.

 

[Fishy McScales]

It’s been a theme for this team throughout the years. It’s the damn playoffs. Why did one team need two periods to get going while the other was ready from the drop of the puck? Every game matters right now, and slow starts have killed this team time and time again. Sorry but the skaters don’t get off the hook here. 6 shots after 30 minutes is flat out unacceptable.

You're imagining that the Oilers do this more than other teams. It happens, sure, and it's frustrating when it does, but it is not comparable with Skinner crapping the bed.

 

[MessierThanThou]

That is on management, because no team with two players as good as Connor and Leon haven't had a legitimate #1 defenseman or a legitimate starting goalie. You can count the teams who have had that kind of talent on a team on two hands - maybe one. Dynasty Habs teams with half the stars in the league on their team, and basically always having the top goalie. Dynasty Islanders (Trottier, Bossy and Potvin), Dynasty Oilers (Gretz/Mess with Coffey and Fuhr), 90s Penguins (Lemieux/Jagr and Coffey), 90's Avalanche (Sakic/Forsberg and Roy)... Crosby's Penguins are the closest to fitting this mold with Sid and Malkin, but Bouchard is no Letang due to his defensive mistakes, and Skinner isn't as good as the Murray/Fleury combo during those runs.

Why didn't you bold the first part of that sentence where I said it's "110% on management." lol.

 

[McAsuno]

When you say the "Whole Team Sucked" you should really exclude McDavid from that statement. It invalidates everything you just said. What he did last night is prove that he's still the best player in the game right now. Not a single intelligent person will ever say that he doesn't show up for the playoffs just because he doesn't have a Cup. That's 110% on management for their unprecedented incompetence, for no team with two players as good as McDrai have ever gone ten seasons without Stanley.

And maybe, just maybe, people are upset with Stu because this isn't the first time. Or second. Or third. Or tenth. He almost has a 50% shot of shitting the bed in the playoffs, like a lot of us were warning you guys about as you covered your ears and said "he's great, we're fine." This isn't a one-off, this is a routine that has emerged over two consecutive playoffs and likely three...

Thankfully a lot of people have started realizing how much of a sieve 74 is in net. It's only a select minor few that still beat the drum of being a cuck for him.

They better trade for a goalie during the off season and punt this fat f*** to commercial ads where he belongs.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I said we should've traded for a guy like Blackwood and there were posters along with certain media members saying Blackwood wouldn't even be an upgrade over Pickard (LOL).

Yes, the avs lost last night in OT, but Blackwood made numerous huge saves. f***, even an average goaltender would still help the Oilers. How bad does Skinner need to be in order for another goalie to simply only be average in net for the Oilers to win. It's absolutely disgusting.

Not trading for Blackwood will forever frustrate me. I mean, we had cap issues so it wouldn't have been an easy trade to make, but there had to be an option to get him. He was only making 2.35M, and even if they didn't want to dump Skinner the other way, we could have buried Pickard, taking 1M of that away. If we couldn't find 1.35M expendable cap on the books for this trade, that was a mistake by management.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Why didn't you bold the first part of that sentence where I said it's "110% on management." lol.

I agree, I should have. Just in a rush I guess. I was agreeing with you.

 

[McAsuno]

Not trading for Blackwood will forever frustrate me. I mean, we had cap issues so it wouldn't have been an easy trade to make, but there had to be an option to get him. He was only making 2.35M, and even if they didn't want to dump Skinner the other way, we could have buried Pickard, taking 1M of that away. If we couldn't find 1.35M expendable cap on the books for this trade, that was a mistake by management.

I mean look at that save. That goal goes in on Skinner 10/10 times and his defenders would blame it on the team in front and then say that's too good of a scoring attempt that a goalie can't make a save on.

A LAK player can do the same thing, and fat f*** 74 would still be on dial up internet connection trying to move laterally and then have a surprised face seconds after the puck is in the net with the kings cheering as a result.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Oil no show for half the game then the world bares witness to McDavid driving one of the best clutch playoff moments lifting his team incredulously off the mat into a late tie game. Bad coaching to keep a tired elite group on ice instead of a fresh group to lock in and take momentum into OT. At minimum Nurse needs to be out there to help lock down their defending support. Hugely missed Ekholm in that situational moment.

But this game was largely unravelled by poor goaltending with slow reads and movement. Aided and abetted by sloppy, poor decision making in front of him. It's never easy for this team which is often self induced whether management ignoring a critical position weakness or on-ice with costly decision making. McDavid almost bailed them out. Almost doesn't count.

See where this goes for game 2. Five goals on an incredible comeback has to build momentum ... doesn't it?

 

[McBigYak]

It literally can't get any f***ing worse though??????? Skinner gave up 6 goals, and although not all his fault there were 2 he gave up I know I could have saved or any high school kid with half a brain. If we lose this series it's on Skinner. Pickard has a higher save percentage than Skinner, and outside of his last start he has been very good in net. There is absolutely no reason to keep Skinner in net. He just simply isn't good

Agreed on all fronts. But this is a goaltender management has relied on and banked on heavily. Even to the point of trading down when a top goaltender prospect was available.

This is the hill they will die on unfortunately, and I don't blame Knob at all. This management team is not going to let him run with Pickard even if he wanted to.

 

[MessierThanThou]

What? Drai almost never fires one timers from the top of the circle because he plays down low. You have no idea what you are on about man.

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That's not even the point anyway: Skinner in his career in the playoffs, prorated over an 82 game season rate, would give up over 25 goals above expected. That is calamitous.

LOL I love when people dissect these clown world takes! Great job!

 

[McAsuno]

Oil no show for half the game then the world bares witness to McDavid driving one of the best clutch playoff moments lifting his team incredulously off the mat into a late tie game. Bad coaching to keep a tired elite group on ice instead of a fresh group to lock in and take momentum into OT. At minimum Nurse needs to be out there to help lock down their defending support. Hugely missed Ekholm in that situational moment.

But this game was largely unravelled by poor goaltending with slow reads and movement. Aided and abetted by sloppy, poor decision making in front of him. It's never easy for this team which is often self induced whether management ignoring a critical position weakness or on-ice with costly decision making. McDavid almost bailed them out. Almost doesn't count.

See where this goes for game 2. Five goals on an incredible comeback has to build momentum ... doesn't it?

Like I said last night, it was a vintage performance by Connor McDavid skewered once again by vintage Stuart Skinner. If we won that game in OT, the kings morale would've dropped even more heading into G2. Granted they're gonna be more cautious especially with 97 on the ice even further, but it just leaves such a bad taste in my mouth seeing the team make a huge comeback only for 74 to let in a weak ass knucklepuck with seconds left in the game.

But at least this shows the kings defense and Kuemper are both solvable. The team needs to start rolling immediately once puck drop starts in G2. No excuses.

 

[McAsuno]

LOL I love when people dissect these clown world takes! Great job!

Who's he responding to? (Must have that poster on ignored)