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Prospect Info: The Second Overall Pick Thread: Part V (Kakko/Hughes Talk)

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Minimum number of points needed for Kakko/Hughes (#2) to have a "successful" rookie season

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I will be happy with anything so long as it isn't some gross underperformance or mishandling. I want him to take his time getting comfy here. He is going to be the guy and a face of this team and city. Of course everyone wants to see him get 70+ points out of the gate. My expectation as a rookie with not so much if any at all experience in an NA style game will be 50-60, which is just fine for a rookie, really. We have players who can help him succeed and I do have confidence in the staff from behind the bench to the front office that they will do what they need to to make Kakko maximize himself.
 
I haven't been following the draft too much, but I do know Kakko's strength is in the goal department. With that said, how good is Kakko's playmaking? Is he a pure scorer or a more all-around forward?
 
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BuckNashty said:
I haven't been following the draft too much, but I do know Kakko's strength is in the goal department. With that said, how good is Kakko's playmaking? Is he a pure scorer or a more all-around forward?
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From what I've heard around here and elsewhere he's kinda looked at as a 40-40 type guy.

Which is good, IMO. We aren't talking 40 goal Rick Nash who only puts up 25 assists. The extra assist numbers really can propel Kakko into 80-90-100 point potential.

As opposed to Hughes who is more of a 30-60 projection.... real elite assist numbers.
 
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I voted 50-59 in this poll, cause I'm so enthused about his NHL-readiness, but the real answer is 40-49 or even a non poll option of 30-39.

Connor McDavid had 48 points his rookie year. Even if Kakko dipped into only the high-30s, like Svetchnikov this year, I don't know that it would be cause for real alarm. I would be disappointed because I've been told he's "instant impact" but I wouldn't necessarily be downgrading his long term prognosis as a 80-90 point player.
 
mschmidt64 said:
I voted 50-59 in this poll, cause I'm so enthused about his NHL-readiness, but the real answer is 40-49 or even a non poll option of 30-39.

Connor McDavid had 48 points his rookie year. Even if Kakko dipped into only the high-30s, like Svetchnikov this year, I don't know that it would be cause for real alarm. I would be disappointed because I've been told he's "instant impact" but I wouldn't necessarily be downgrading his long term prognosis as a 80-90 point player.
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Mcdavid played 45 games his rookie year due to injury, he had 48 points. That's ppg. Let's leave mcdavid out of this discussion for a bit.
 
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mschmidt64 said:
I voted 50-59 in this poll, cause I'm so enthused about his NHL-readiness, but the real answer is 40-49 or even a non poll option of 30-39.

Connor McDavid had 48 points his rookie year. Even if Kakko dipped into only the high-30s, like Svetchnikov this year, I don't know that it would be cause for real alarm. I would be disappointed because I've been told he's "instant impact" but I wouldn't necessarily be downgrading his long term prognosis as a 80-90 point player.
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Because he got hurt...he played 45 games.
 
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I voted 80+ but on the real, I would be disappointed if he (Kakko) got fewer than 50 points. He's being billed as a franchise player and NHL-ready.
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
I voted 80+ but on the real, I would be disappointed if he (Kakko) got fewer than 50 points. He's being billed as a franchise player and NHL-ready.
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It’s really going to depend on his usage. The same things were said about Svechnikov and he was stuck on the 3rd/4th line for most of the season and ended up getting 30 something points, but he was much better than a 30-40 point player
 
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can we please ban the phrase 'nhl ready' talking about a draft pick?

his point total is completely tied to what the lines are...we only have 1 really center. if he plays with mika then he'll probably do pretty well. if he's not than its not really fair to expect much
 
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I wouldn't worry too much about how many points he puts up this year. worry about the points he puts up 3-4 years from now...

quick look at 2 fellow finns at the start of their careers

Barkov
D+1: 54gp 24p
D+2: 71gp 36p
D+3: 66gp 59p
D+4: 61gp 52p
D+5: 79gp 78p
D+6: 82gp 95p

Rantanen
D+1: 9gp 0p (52gp 60p in AHL)
D+2: 75gp 38p
D+3: 81gp 84p
D+4: 74gp 87p
 
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Of course, i'm not going to call him a bust if he only scores 30~ points this season. But I want a young exciting player for once, a star rookie, every team has/had one except us. I'm feeling greedy.
 
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He's not only scoring 30 points... I just can't see that. Chytil and Howden were both close to 30 and they're nowhere near the player Kakko is now
 
Looking at other recent prospects of a similar caliber who played in their D+1 season, I'd expect 50-60-ish points from Double K. Obviously things like ice time, teammates and what not plays a role. He should step in immediately and get top6 time and PP time so i think 50-60 is realistic.

Matthews:69
Laine: 64
Eichel: 56
Hischier: 52
 
Leetch3 said:
I wouldn't worry too much about how many points he puts up this year. worry about the points he puts up 3-4 years from now...

quick look at 2 fellow finns at the start of their careers

Barkov
D+1: 54gp 24p
D+2: 71gp 36p
D+3: 66gp 59p
D+4: 61gp 52p
D+5: 79gp 78p
D+6: 82gp 95p

Rantanen
D+1: 9gp 0p (52gp 60p in AHL)
D+2: 75gp 38p
D+3: 81gp 84p
D+4: 74gp 87p
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I have a feeling this may need to be reposted over and over again next season...
 
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