Prospect Info: The Second Overall Pick Thread: Part IV (Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[Hischier and Hughes]

Nico had a CF% of sub 40 and a xGF% of like 30 with out Hall last year.

And the Devils were the worst record in the league after Hall went down with a goal differential of over -50

Context matters

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And the Devils were the worst record in the league after Hall went down with a goal differential of over -50

Context matters

The lie detecter determined that this is a lie.

 

[Levitate]

Not a ton of good touches yet for Kakko. team has struggled to possess the puck effectively so far

 

[Gardner McKay]

Thats wildly optimistic.

I'd be stunned if he plays over 185. His brother isn't very thick either, genetics are a *****.

This is true, you can't get past genetics. I guess we will have to wait and see. I do think he is at minimum 185 pounds by the time the season starts.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

The lie detecter determined that this is a lie.

So youd expect Buchnevich or Chytil or any other young Ranger to produce well on a bottom-5 team thats missing over half it's NHL roster?

I dont get how Nico’s underlying numbers were ‘horrendous’

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Nico had a CF% of sub 40 and a xGF% of like 30 with out Hall last year.

Damn. That’s BAD. Can’t pass up on Hughes when your young rookie center is struggling THAT bad I guess.

 

[RangerBoy]

The scouting combine is next for Hughes and Kakko.

 

[nyr__1994]

So youd expect Buchnevich or Chytil or any other young Ranger to produce well on a bottom-5 team thats missing over half it's NHL roster?

I dont get how Nico’s underlying numbers were ‘horrendous’

If they were the #1 overall pick, then yes.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

If they were the #1 overall pick, then yes.

Then thats just silly

Hope nobody has those unrealistic expectations for Kaapo

 

[nyr__1994]

Then thats just silly

Hope nobody has those unrealistic expectations for Kaapo

Good thing we don't have to worry about it because if he is the #1 overall pick, that means he will be a Devil and not a member of the NYR.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Good thing we don't have to worry about it because if he is the #1 overall pick, that means he will be a Devil and not a member of the NYR.

That means nothing

Kaapo at #2 is basically 1st overall for the Rangers lmao. Youre seriously acting like Kaapo can do poorly but Jack cant because of one draft spot?

What nonsense

 

[JCProdigy]

Not sure why this is so far fetched. More people actually prefer Kakko to Hughes on the main board if you check the polls who are not Ranger/Devils fans. People have different opinions, they aren’t “comical” because their opinions aren't the same as yours and that’s a really condescending thing to say.

Yikes, when trying to make an argument, using the main board's opinion is maybe not the way to go.

What I find interesting is that this board has been bombarded for the last several years with posts on how the Rangers always have to be the smartest in the room. Never go with the "consensus". They reached on Andersson, they reached on Kratsov, etc etc.

Now the facts are if there is a "consensus" from the pro drafting services it's been Hughes 1, Kakko 2 for the past two years. As recently as like a month ago, Bob McKenzie updated his list from 10 nhl scouts and all picked Hughes no 1 overall Kakko. A fast look at the various latest lists still have Hughes 1, Kakko 2.

But now the "consensus" is wrong this time. It's biased. Wonder why a lot of Rangers' fans feel that way?

Note: make no bones about it, I love Kakko and Hughes and would be happy with either as a huge piece to the Rangers puzzle. I am also resigned to the fact that one is going to the Devils but as we've seen with these great players, they can't make a team by themselves. That's why I refuse to look at either as the savor of the Rangers franchise.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Yikes, when trying to make an argument, using the main board's opinion is maybe not the way to go.

What I find interesting is that this board has been bombarded for the last several years with posts on how the Rangers always have to be the smartest in the room. Never go with the "consensus". They reached on Andersson, they reached on Kratsov, etc etc.

Now the facts are if there is a "consensus" from the pro drafting services it's been Hughes 1, Kakko 2 for the past two years. As recently as like a month ago, Bob McKenzie updated his list from 10 nhl scouts and all picked Hughes no 1 overall Kakko. A fast look at the various latest lists still have Hughes 1, Kakko 2.

But now the "consensus" is wrong this time. It's biased. Wonder why a lot of Rangers' fans feel that way?

Note: make no bones about it, I love Kakko and Hughes and would be happy with either as a huge piece to the Rangers puzzle. I am also resigned to the fact that one is going to the Devils but as we've seen with these great players, they can't make a team by themselves. That's why I refuse to look at either as the savor of the Rangers franchise.

Yikes, using unbiased opinions on the main board(certainly compared to the devs/rangers boards).

So go on pro drafting services, like they nailed Yakapov right? Because they are never wrong?

 

[JCProdigy]

Yeah my 3 year old nephew is unbiased about politics but I wouldn't trust his opinion on whether the President is doing a good job.

Scouts get it wrong all the time. No doubt and I'm not saying they wont get it wrong this time. Btw, posters on this board get it wrong all the time too but it's rarely remembered as they spout the next hot take. Sorry you missed my point which is I'm seeing some hypocrisy and wishcasting in this thread since the Rangers landed the 2nd overall pick and not the first.

In the end it doesn't matter. We'll get one of them and if the Rangers fail to surround either with a great supporting cast, neither would get their name on the cup.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I’m most impressed by today’s game from Kakko. Even though he had no points, what he is showing is that he is a consistent player on one of the biggest stages of hockey.

He’s a gamer. He competes every shift. He doesn’t seem to be satisfied with the way he’s played and the 6 goals he’s scored. He’s out to prove something every shift and it’s in a workmanlike manner that is very professional and usually comes with time.

That says a lot about a player who’s only 18. Wish the draft was tomorrow

 

[chosen]

Obviously he's not as good but the vision and quick change of direction of Hughes reminds me of Gretzky.

 

[darko]

The scouting combine is next for Hughes and Kakko.

Expecting to see @Amazing Kreiderman at the combine

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Expecting to see @Amazing Kreiderman at the combine

Unfortunately I won't be able to attend due to commitments at work I cannot skip

 

[darko]

Unfortunately I won't be able to attend due to commitments at work I cannot skip

You work?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You work?

How else do you think I can afford all these trips?

 

[Ola]

How else do you think I can afford all these trips?

Hehe, this got my imagination going. Do you still own two kidneys?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Hehe, this got my imagination going. Do you still own two kidneys?

“Own” is such a rigid term...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Hehe, this got my imagination going. Do you still own two kidneys?

My own kidneys? You aren't being specific here

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Then thats just silly

Hope nobody has those unrealistic expectations for Kaapo

To be fair, Nico was never an elite prospect. That draft lacked quite a bit at the top end. I'd consider him a first line player, but will never be a star. I think the top two picks this year are head-and-shoulders above the top two picks that year.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Obviously he's not as good but the vision and quick change of direction of Hughes reminds me of Gretzky.

And the general anticipation where players will be. That skill is just not seen in more than a handful of guys.