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abo9 said:
unfortunately for Grier he coudl be fired befire the results show, even if he does a fantastic job, because these changes take long to show.

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Theyll have to find a way to get sime stronger vets though, bc as we've seen in buffalo and edmonton, teams without a leadership group tend to take much longer to rebuild.
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Absolutely... like Dale Tallon (GM Blackhawks 2005-2009, fired for Bowman after building that team).

Yeah, I hope you're not right about the vets thing. Because other than the players you mentioned (Hertl, Couture, Vlasic) we don't really have any strong, accomplished vets. Vlasic is basically checked out. Hertl and Couture could possibly set the example, but otherwise you have Ferraro (only 25) wearing an A and he's kind of a spaz.
 
abo9 said:
It all comes down to the draft/development. Go through their draft history, theres a handful of good players since the last 15+ years. Its absymal and it shows on the roster.

Since 2006, the impact players are limited to

Couture
Hertl
Meier
Coyle
Norris
Ferrarro

Norris/Coyle didnt even play a game for the Sharks, so you're down to 4 players over nearly 20 years.

They didnt get anything for Karlsson either. Meier? Jury is still out, but if the Sharks havent f8xed their drafting/development pipeline, its gonna be a weak return too.
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You left out several players. There are some nice later round finds here. These players either contributed to the last playoff years or were assets in trades.

And it’s not like the players you did list were easy, early top picks.

Hitting on some early picks, and bolstering it with depth from later in the draft, meant they were pretty successful in the draft these years.

The team got old and lost UFAs and assets.

(We’ll see how the more recent stuff shakes out in the future.)

2017
Rd 1 #19 Josh Norris C 140 GP 100 Pts
37th in GP, 13th in Pts
20 drafted after w/ +GP, 5 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 2 #49 Mario Ferrero LHD 263 GP 55 Pts
10th in GP, 28th in Pts
0 drafted after w/ +GP, 4 drafted after w/ +Pts

2015
Rd 1 #9 Timo Meier RW 483 GP 338 Pts
11th in GP, 9th in Pts
5 drafted after w/ +GP, 5 drafted after w/ +Pts

2014
Rd 6 #171 Kevin Labanc RW 439 GP 217 Pts
17th in GP, 17th in Pts
0 drafted after w/ +GP, 0 drafted after w/ +Pts

2012
Rd 1 #18 Tomas Hertl C 675 GP 457 Pts
6th in GP, 2nd in Pts
0 drafted after w/ +GP, 0 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 2 #55 Chris Tierney C 607 GP 236 Pts
14th in GP, 15th in Pts
1 drafted after w/ +GP, 4 drafted after w/ +Pts

2011
Rd 2 #47 Matthew Nieto LW 661 GP 200 Pts
16th in GP, 26th in Pts
2 drafted after w/ +GP, 9 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 5 #133 Sean Kuraly C 430 GP 121 Pts
39th in GP, 36th in Pts
3 drafted after w/ +GP, 4 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 6 #179 Dylan DeMelo RHD 483 GP 118 Pts
31st in GP, 37th in Pts
1 drafted after w/ +GP, 2 drafted after w/ +Pts

2009
Rd 1 #28 Charlie Coyle C 797 GP 398 Pts
8th in GP, 17th in Pts
1 drafted after w/ +GP, 6 drafted after w/ +Pts

2008
Rd 6 #177 Tommy Wingels C 448 GP 143 Pts
35th in GP, 31st in Pts
1 drafted after w/ +GP, 1 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 7 #186 Jason Demers RHD 700 GP 214 Pts
23rd in GP, 23rd in Pts
0 drafted after w/ +GP, 0 drafted after w/ +Pts

2007
Rd 1 #9 Logan Couture C 927 GP 700 Pts
9th in GP, 5th in Pts
4 drafted after w/ +GP, 2 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 6 #173 Nick Bonino C 834 GP 353 Pts
15th in GP, 17th in Pts
0 drafted after w/ +GP, 0 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 7 #201 Justin Braun RD 842 GP 199 Pts
14th in GP, 25th in points
0 drafted after w/ +GP, 0 drafted after w/ +Pts

2006
Rd 2 #36 Jamie McGinn LW 617 GP 220 Pts
23rd in GP, 22nd in points
7 drafted after w/ +GP, 7 drafted after w/ +Pts
 
Dicdonya said:
Huh?

This roster has a single bonafide top line player, Hertl, and some people would argue if that is even true at this point. Duclair you might be able to argue is a another, but realistically he's more of a 2nd line player, and so far is not even playing like one for us.

On paper our defense is the worst iced that I can ever remember since watching hockey. Literally not a single player that would be on anything higher than the 3rd pairing on any other team, and several that probably should not even be in the NHL at all.

Who are the other decent players? Even if you name a couple more decent players, like maybe Eklund and Granlund or something, none of them of bonafide top six players at this point, and are unfortunately being counted on to be that at this time.

Not really sure how you look at our roster and say "yeah that should be competitive" with anyone besides the bottom 3-5 or so teams in the league.
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Yeah I see a couple “decent” names there like Granlund, Duclair, Lebanc, Ferrero but they’re all playing a line/pair or two above where they should be and the results are expected.

Add in some bad goaltending and yikes
 
nbwingsfan said:
Yeah I see a couple “decent” names there like Granlund, Duclair, Lebanc, Ferrero but they’re all playing a line/pair or two above where they should be and the results are expected.

Add in some bad goaltending and yikes
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The goaltending has been the bright spot.

Also, Ferraro and Labanc are absolutely useless.
 
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Guttersniped said:
You left out several players. There are some nice later round finds here. These players either contributed to the last playoff years or were assets in trades.

And it’s not like the players you did list were easy, early top picks.

Hitting on some early picks, and bolstering it with depth from later in the draft, meant they were pretty successful in the draft these years.

The team got old and lost UFAs and assets.

(We’ll see how the more recent stuff shakes out in the future.)

2017
Rd 1 #19 Josh Norris C 140 GP 100 Pts
37th in GP, 13th in Pts
20 drafted after w/ +GP, 5 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 2 #49 Mario Ferrero LHD 263 GP 55 Pts
10th in GP, 28th in Pts
0 drafted after w/ +GP, 4 drafted after w/ +Pts

2015
Rd 1 #9 Timo Meier RW 483 GP 338 Pts
11th in GP, 9th in Pts
5 drafted after w/ +GP, 5 drafted after w/ +Pts

2014
Rd 6 #171 Kevin Labanc RW 439 GP 217 Pts
17th in GP, 17th in Pts
0 drafted after w/ +GP, 0 drafted after w/ +Pts

2012
Rd 1 #18 Tomas Hertl C 675 GP 457 Pts
6th in GP, 2nd in Pts
0 drafted after w/ +GP, 0 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 2 #55 Chris Tierney C 607 GP 236 Pts
14th in GP, 15th in Pts
1 drafted after w/ +GP, 4 drafted after w/ +Pts

2011
Rd 2 #47 Matthew Nieto LW 661 GP 200 Pts
16th in GP, 26th in Pts
2 drafted after w/ +GP, 9 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 5 #133 Sean Kuraly C 430 GP 121 Pts
39th in GP, 36th in Pts
3 drafted after w/ +GP, 4 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 6 #179 Dylan DeMelo RHD 483 GP 118 Pts
31st in GP, 37th in Pts
1 drafted after w/ +GP, 2 drafted after w/ +Pts

2009
Rd 1 #28 Charlie Coyle C 797 GP 398 Pts
8th in GP, 17th in Pts
1 drafted after w/ +GP, 6 drafted after w/ +Pts

2008
Rd 6 #177 Tommy Wingels C 448 GP 143 Pts
35th in GP, 31st in Pts
1 drafted after w/ +GP, 1 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 7 #186 Jason Demers RHD 700 GP 214 Pts
23rd in GP, 23rd in Pts
0 drafted after w/ +GP, 0 drafted after w/ +Pts

2007
Rd 1 #9 Logan Couture C 927 GP 700 Pts
9th in GP, 5th in Pts
4 drafted after w/ +GP, 2 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 6 #173 Nick Bonino C 834 GP 353 Pts
15th in GP, 17th in Pts
0 drafted after w/ +GP, 0 drafted after w/ +Pts

Rd 7 #201 Justin Braun RD 842 GP 199 Pts
14th in GP, 25th in points
0 drafted after w/ +GP, 0 drafted after w/ +Pts

2006
Rd 2 #36 Jamie McGinn LW 617 GP 220 Pts
23rd in GP, 22nd in points
7 drafted after w/ +GP, 7 drafted after w/ +Pts
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Coyle - Couture - Meier
Nieto - Hertl - Labanc
Wingel - Norris - kuraly
McGinn - Tierney - Bonino

Ferraro - demelo
- demers
- Braun

Thats the result over 17 years? They definitely hit good on centers...wings and D is pretty underwhelming.
 
abo9 said:
Coyle - Couture - Meier
Nieto - Hertl - Labanc
Wingel - Norris - kuraly
McGinn - Tierney - Bonino

Ferraro - demelo
- demers
- Braun

Thats the result over 17 years? They definitely hit good on centers...wings and D is pretty underwhelming.
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I think that’s unfair when you consider a: they did trade away a fair amount of picks for established guys and b: there was never really a ton of openings because of those guys. For example, for a while there was never a need to develop defencemen considering they had Vlasic, BrAun, Dillon, Burns for so long. There’s your top 4 and you’re basically filling out the last spots with traded guys like Polak or Paul Martin or the aforementioned Demelo.
 
TheBeard said:
I think that’s unfair when you consider a: they did trade away a fair amount of picks for established guys and b: there was never really a ton of openings because of those guys. For example, for a while there was never a need to develop defencemen considering they had Vlasic, Braun, Dillon, Burns for so long. There’s your top 4 and you’re basically filling out the last spots with traded guys like Polak or Paul Martin or the aforementioned Demelo.
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I meam fair enough but none of their prospects really pushed for those spots either. Its not like there weren't any openings im the last 5 years. Heck even a Brandon Dillon at his peak could have been expendable for an up and coming talented prospect
 
abo9 said:
I meam fair enough but none of their prospects really pushed for those spots either. Its not like there weren't any openings im the last 5 years. Heck even a Brandon Dillon at his peak could have been expendable for an up and coming talented prospect
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We had Mirco Mueller and Joakim Ryan.

Johnny HFBOARDS said:
Sharks should pickup Campbell and be better than the Oil at least
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Don't have the cap space. We'd need to trade for him, and we only do that if we're paid handsomely to do so.
 
weastern bias said:
Too bad it didn't help preserve our aging vets

waka waka waka
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Id argue it preserved them for quite a while
Marleau beat the gp record
Burns is 38 amd had a 61 pts season last year
Pavelski is 39 and ppg

Quire impressive
 
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abo9 said:
Id argue it preserved them for quite a while
Marleau beat the gp record
Burns is 38 amd had a 61 pts season last year
Pavelski is 39 and ppg

Quire impressive
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Fat lot of good it's doing us now, I'd rather have a frozen yogurt, lol
 
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abo9 said:
Coyle - Couture - Meier
Nieto - Hertl - Labanc
Wingel - Norris - kuraly
McGinn - Tierney - Bonino

Ferraro - demelo
- demers
- Braun

Thats the result over 17 years? They definitely hit good on centers...wings and D is pretty underwhelming.
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The Sharks traded away a ton of high picks when they were cup contenders, so the implication they drafted badly/missed on a lot of other picks is disingenuous.
 
smart of the Sharks to get all those goals against out of the way

now they can get a bunch of shutouts and win the Presidents' Trophy
 
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