The Saint Mikael Granlund hypetrain part 2 (saucer passes turning to wine!)
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Jussi
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Not only that but his every sweat drop sheds 10K euro off of Greece's debt.
Mikael Granlund is now 1 in points in FEL. 19gp 6g 17a and a +6. Pretty good for a guy whoose team is in 8th spot in a 14 teams league...
Are you trying to put better word on Granlund because his team in in 8th spot? His team is absolutely loaded and they still suck. Their team should be playing a lot better hockey, there's no excuse. Granlund is propably the only one playing up to his potential.
Loffer
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How about Markus Granlund? two goals in the last game. will he be better than his big brother? Most people say Mikael is much more gifted but is he really? Markus skating looks easier, his wrist shot looks quicker, he has about the same skillset. he sees the ice well (Mikael's vision is unearthly, though). Yes, he needs to bulk up but he will be decent NHLer one day, if all goes well...
okay, tonight it's time to re-check one's assessment about these bros. (they are playing tonight, am i right?) and MG should score a goal for a change.
yes, i had nothing much to say. just opened game day talk - if it is a game day. guess so.
okay, tonight it's time to re-check one's assessment about these bros. (they are playing tonight, am i right?) and MG should score a goal for a change.
yes, i had nothing much to say. just opened game day talk - if it is a game day. guess so.
helicecopter
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lol, no..
tbh, i have yet to see Markus play this season.. but from previous viewings he didn't look even remotely close to how good his older brother is.
How about Markus Granlund? two goals in the last game. will he be better than his big brother? Most people say Mikael is much more gifted but is he really? Markus skating looks easier, his wrist shot looks quicker, he has about the same skillset. he sees the ice well (Mikael's vision is unearthly, though). Yes, he needs to bulk up but he will be decent NHLer one day, if all goes well...
okay, tonight it's time to re-check one's assessment about these bros. (they are playing tonight, am i right?) and MG should score a goal for a change.
yes, i had nothing much to say. just opened game day talk - if it is a game day. guess so.
Seems that Markus Granlund has a smoother stride but he's alot weaker on his skates than his big brother. His wrister also seems quicker. Then again Markus is alot more straightforward player that Mikael, and you saying they have the same skillset is not really true. Mikael is an elite puck possession player, while Markus seems to be more of a traditional playmaker with some scoring instincts. For now Markus looks more of a good complimentary player, while Mikael is a type of player a line can (and should) be built around.
The funny thing is that in the 3 EHT games for example, in which I concentrated a lot on watching Granlund, he didn't have many scoring chances himself, but he still created chances in every game. In a way he's a very unique player, I can't really find a player in my head that he could be compared to in terms of style. IMO Saku Koivu is very different, but then again I don't have a recollection of what he looked like when he was young.
And back to Markus, I've been quite impressed with his play thus far, even though he gets criticized alot. He shouldn't be compared to his big brother, not really fair to him.
mnwildgophers
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I'm not sure what to make of this claim. You start off with will he be better than Mikael, then you start to list your reasons (skating, wrist shot quicker, etc). Then, you finish off by saying he will be a decent NHLer (if all goes well). This doesn't make sense to me, Mikael has a chance to be a star in the NHL, and he already is in Finland.
Career in FEL:
Mikael: 103 GP, 27G, 72A, 99 Pts, 0.96 Points per game
Markus: 17 GP, 3G, 4A, 7 Pts, 0.41 Points per game
2011-2012:
Mikael: 19GP, 6G, 17A, 23 Pts, 1.21 Points per game
Markus: 15GP, 3G, 4A, 7 Pts, 0.46 Points per game
The sample size on Markus is very small, but he's producing at a much slower pace than Mikael's first year in the league.
Also, this is Mikael's 3rd year in the FEL. He's clearly the better player now and clearly the better prospect. I'm not saying Markus won't be a good player as obviously he has skills, and maybe playing with his brother will lead to more points.
Making the claim that Markus will be better is just absurd at this point, and as someone else said, isn't really fair to Markus.
IceHockeyDude
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That is very true. Markus is a very gifted player who could play in the NHL after 2-3 years and he was not drafted at second round accidentally. Of course he is not as talented as his brother, Mikael is the best finnish prospect for the last 10 years and propably the best prospect outside the NHL. Markus seems to be a very underrated because of being in the shadow of his brother, not an easy place to be. Just like M.Koivu had a burden on his shoulders because of Saku. Markus is still 18 years old and playing regular minutes at HIFK's high quality roster. He has time and space to develop especially after Mikael leaving Sm-Liiga for the NHL next summer.
Loffer posts this passive agressive bs all the time. First he trys to dig up some flaw on Mikael ex. The fluttering saucers then he makes his claim but does it in the form of a question and then finishes off by saying something like: Im not saying he sucks but yeah....
mnwildgophers
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Haha, I have noticed that about him. It seems like he can't possibly make a claim and stick to it. How could I possibly forget about the fluttering saucer passes?
Anyway, I guess I'll just have to ignore his posts. I just thought looking at the numbers might show something.
Loffer
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didn't tikkanen himself say in some occasion that markus might end up ´the better player...? I'm not saying he will (as i said, may be "decent" in the NHL. that leaves it open how good he might be). and i listed some strenghts in markus game compared to mikael. i think it's rather absurd claim -that he would be better. but if some authority has said he might there must be some grounds for such a radical assessment.
but yes, i try to open new angles to granlund's game and expectation value. I must admit that i have learned to appreciate¨more and more granlund's talent. he is really extraordinary player whose genius doesn't immediately stand out in a game like it might in the case of some flashier player - like kuznetsov. granlund is just unique player. and then i must ask IS HE REALLY?! If there is no clear comparison it is difficult to assess his true potential in the nhl. and then i had to ask is he better than bouchard? he should be. people generally expect him to be. and if he is it is because of his elusive genius. anything more tangible won't do.
ThatGuy22
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It's also worth mention that over half his points have been on plays where Mikael was also involved and got a point. ie Mikael had the First assist on both of Markus goals the other day. So the question should be, would Marcus be doing anything at all if he wasn't getting playing time with the best player in the league? Shouldn't he have more points than 7 playing with Mikael?
ThatGuy22
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Tikkanen thought Gerald Ford was the founder of Ford car company.... He even discussed about Fords with him.
Don't have the software or the know how to deliver, sorry.
Mikael Granlund has done and assisted lacrosse style goal (against men), how many has done it in the past?
Question..
I am a wild fan, and am happy we have Granlund's rights, however...
Why is he so polarizing, he seems to get way more talk/pub than other top prospects, is it because he's truly special, or is it the strong finnish fan base here talking him up, his lacrosse goal and shoot out goals that are absurd....
I'm just wondering why he gets so much talk on here, compared to other really good prospects, that's all...
I am a wild fan, and am happy we have Granlund's rights, however...
Why is he so polarizing, he seems to get way more talk/pub than other top prospects, is it because he's truly special, or is it the strong finnish fan base here talking him up, his lacrosse goal and shoot out goals that are absurd....
I'm just wondering why he gets so much talk on here, compared to other really good prospects, that's all...
http://www.nelonenpro.fi/j%C3%A4%C3%A4kiekko/sm-liiga/koosteet-illan-erikoiset-haastattelut/video/sm-liiga-illan-erikoinen-17112011
Here is the link for Markus Granlund's airhook goal
Here is the link for Markus Granlund's airhook goal
ThatGuy22
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Well among Wild fans, the hype is because we haven't had a prospect with his potential since Gaborik. And has been labeled a top 10 prospect in all of hockey by everyone except hockeysfuture(Hockey prospectus had him at number 1 overall). His amazing play (not just the goal) for a gold medal winning team in the WC, 16 points in 15 games in the SM-Liiga playoffs last year. Leading the SM-Liiga in points this year. All in all it makes him pretty damn exciting.
Madude
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I bolded the answer. He is also the only Finnish prospect worth hyping for atm. Get used to Finnish prospects' topics having ton off posts because there are so few quality prospects from Finland and it's in our genes to bump the topics even if it's one point from assist. Or so it seems anyway.
Because he is a star in finland, not just hockey but he's a celebrity. All the good and bad publications talk about him all the time. He was amazing with the world championship team, and as Finland won (which was a massive thing here), he was heralded as the "boy wonder" and "the messiah who will save finnish hockey" etc... Lot of it is ridiculous, but he has achieved alot while being very young. Best player in playoffs last year taking HIFK to a championship, being one of the best in Finland's win in the WC's and icing on the cake the ridiculous lacrosse goal. And all of this happened to a kid from a country which is hockey crazy, crazy about the national team, and which has never witnessed anything like this, so it's become a crazy circus.
And the same with wild fans. They are crazy about hockey, and like someone said they haven't had a prospect like him since Gaborik, and have had big dissappointments in the past with their prospects.
So, no wonder he's being hyped like crazy. And added to that he seems really smart and humble with the media.
ilezia
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To get the other side of the "why is he so polarizing" question: his rights are owned by a "no name" team. If he were part of the Caps, Pens, Rangers, Canucks, or even Oilers, he'd be hailed as a great prospect with a few minor detractors. Much like the "east coast bias" there's a bizarre belief that "flyover" teams can't have anything worth watching, especially a team with the Wild's reputation.
Loffer
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granlund is special because he gets so much talk here. and that is not to say he wouldn't be special. he is a very interesting player, to say the least.
give any aspect of his game and it will generate discussion. for example his saucer pass. if i happen to write a frisky footnote about his passing technique it will make "headlines" the next day.
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This reminds me of granlund's wrister. he seems to prefer the "classic" wrist short with broader sweeping motion, rather than the "modern" quick wrist snap which leaves the goalie less reaction time.
