bad teams don't buyout bad contracts. Good teams do to save money. That third season we have to pay 6.4m on the cap for a player not on the roster? That is a full contract for Quinn or Peterka.
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Jim Bob
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You said it was easy for Adams to not have any three of them on the team.
Terry could do a lot of things. I doubt that he will.
You are paying 9M for a guy who is a bad example for the young players, who refuses to change his game to fit different systems, and even when he's in an ideal system for him, can still still take 30-40 games off at a time.
Put in a 2M veteran that is a better system fit and you are still saving 600k.
Doug Prishpreed
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I assume they work as a team. If Adams isn't allowed to do something he thinks would make the team better, then the team is doomed anyways and it doesn't matter what they do.
Might as well bring up all of Rosen, Savoie, and Kulich to the NHL team next year since they're just an AHL team anyways, masquerading as an NHL team.
You're paying for him no matter what. Just buy him out after next season if other players step up. We did (checks notes) not score many goals last season. May still need him.
You clearly didn't read, or didn't understand my post.
We need a proven defensive centre who is preferably good at winning faceoffs.
Krebs presence on the roster doesn't affect our chances of getting that player or not.
Adams has even said he's targeting that type of player (in the post Byram/Mitts presser IIRC).
Fjordy
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Well that's what I'm saying, we need a 3C, Krebs can probably stay or they can trade him if that's what it takes to make a 3C or top 4 RD deal. I just don't want to experiment and risk putting Krebs in the 3C position again without having a plan B if it doesn't work out.
Is this a chicken or egg thing? Do bad teams buyout a player to become good or do they become good in order to buyout a player?
The part people miss on the $6.44 million cost in year three (26-27) if we buyout Skinner this year, is that the year three cost if you wait a year to buy him out is $6 million. If you wait two years it is $5.66 million. If you don’t buy him out at all it is $9 million. So, in 2026-27, which of these scenarios is good for retaining other players? The answer is none. So, why not at least get the benefit of $7.55 million in space to improve the team this year and then do what good teams do and figure out how to make players fit, or not fit, when the time comes.
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Fjordy
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Doug Prishpreed
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If he's being asked to carry a line with Skinner and Kulich, then yes, we are doomed.
Rangers actually have a full roster of NHL-caliber players, so the situation is not comparable. Krebs would be fine on most teams in the league in the right role, with the right support. Just like Montour did, and so did Carrier and a ton of others that Buffalo wasn't able to work with. Doesn't mean he's set up for any amount of success in Buffalo.
Are you trying to invent the "Kulich is playing in the NHL next year even if he's not ready" narrative out of thin air? I haven't watched, seen, or read anywhere that Kulich is automatically getting promoted. I'm sure they'd like one of Kulich/Savoie/Rosen to be ready to step up next year, but I'm sure they are fine with all three of them spending time in the AHL with Ostlund, Komarov, Neuchev, Novikov, Kozek, and Kisakov.
SundherDome
I'm tired, Boss.
I'll make it simple, Pegula has spent more than any owner has. Just because he scaled back on his operations does not mean he is cheap. Not ever transaction they perform is money related.
Doug Prishpreed
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Who cares if he's spent more than previous loser owners who did nothing but fail?
The fact is, he is running a third rate team that will stay third rate until he decides to spend as much money as the teams who win regularly.
There's a reason Buffalo is a perennial loser...it could be fixed, like most things, by hiring the best available people and spending as much money as your best competition.
SundherDome
I'm tired, Boss.
Because people keep calling him cheap, when in fact, he is the opposite. He has spent money on everything fans have wanted him to spend it on from players, to coaches, to facilities, to presidents of hockey ops. Dude has done everything he can financially. You can definitely question some of the choices he and his advisors made in building a front office and roster but that is independent of his spending.
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I think the cheap thing gets overstated but idk about the opposite of cheap. He’s definitely been pinching pennies in places
SundherDome
I'm tired, Boss.
Which is fine. Make cutbacks of the bloated structure he previously built if it continuously fails.
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I think he definitely cut back last few years but it makes sense when you are rebuilding and looking to structure the cap down the road but they need to come out of that rebuild and they need to start spending.
We will see.
You are right, he used to. Right up to the pandemic.
The problem was that he was spending it stupidly. He refused to get the help he needed to run the team and tried to figure it out on his own. However, despite some very expensive lessons, he still refuses to step back from the operation of the team.
The pandemic caused him to pull back all investment from the front office. When his GM refused to run the front office with a skeleton crew, he installed someone who would listen to him unquestionably. He let the coach and the GM do one last investment to keep Eichel happy, and they did such a piss poor job they finished dead last. That is when he cut all investment from the player payroll. Spending below the cap two consecutive seasons and in the bottom 3 of the league this year.
That's cheap. I'm not sure why you keep insisting he hasn't been cheap, but he's been exceedingly cheap since summer of 2021 and Adams has done his bidding. Sure they've used clever catchphases like 'not blocking the kids' to justify their bottom barrel spending, but the reality is, its cheapness. Too few scouts, no real experience in the front office or on the coaching staff. Even with the Ruff hiring, if he's paying him anything at all, his contract is offset by what NJ is paying him still. They are even still running with primarily the same assistants that failed terribly under Granato. Not adding veterans to support the youngsters, not leveraging cap space to gain more assets. Being cheap.
Like i've said many times, Adams has talked big about winning now. We'll see if the Pegula's checkbook is coming along for the ride or not. They should be spending at or within 1-2M of the cap this summer if they are serious about winning now.
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Isn't there a Pegula thread you guys can repeat yourselves over and over again in?
I'd share the link but I put it on Ignore. But Mods seriously - move the constant Pegula bashing to that thread.
Where is the rebuild thread? I'm joking. Just bitter. I think we know a week after free agency how serious the Sabres are this year.
Actually, no it's not. There are significant cap penalties and zero point to it right now.
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