The Roster Thread, Summer 2024

[Matt Ress]

Literally the guys job to improve the team and fix roster issues.

The ‘well nobody was available’ argument doesn’t fly when they haven’t added a top six forward to the team since Tuch got here in the eichel trade. That was in Nov 2021. 3 full offseason and 2.5 regular seasons.

Adams sat on his hands for far too long and when he declared to the world he was going to make moves he failed to.

I would love a top 6 forward addition. With that, the emergence of Quinn and Paterka are legit top 6 players as well as a couple more possibles in the system like Benson and Kulich.

We've seen plenty of reports of him being in on players where negotiations just haven't been fruitful which is the opposite of sitting on his hands. Often times the reason emerges that the player simply put the kibash on a move to Buffalo. Luckily, Adams has also promoted internal growth and not just through FA and trades.

He has also put together one of the most talented defense groups in the league now and seemingly for years to come.

We all hope the team has some success, making a more attractive place for potential additions, possibly as early as the deadline.

 

[BFLO]

You responded to a back and forth that was discussing the offseason. You can find the start of the exchange with the post that starts:

This off-season has been completely different.

And yes, Tocchet was also hired before the offseason, but it was the offseason where Vancouver also remade their bottom 6/bottom pairing with guys that better fit the new system which typically would be ironed out during a full training camp.

Regardless, it was just a small example, there really was no need to try to wordsmith a singular thought in a larger post into something it isn't to try to undermine my narrative, I was not claiming anything concrete, just giving an example of a possibility to offer hope that this season may be a fun season for Sabres fans.

You're the one who was responding to a back and forth discussing the offseason and you expanded the timeline by including Tocceht. Hronek was acquired after Tocceht. On March 1st, 2023. Based on your inclusion of Tocceht into the conversation that would put Hronek squarely into the timeline of the conversation as well. I continued the conversation within the timeline being discussed as set by you.

You then tried to downplay or be dismissive of my post by saying "we're discussing the offseason".

I point out that no, you were not in fact discussing the offseason due to your inclusion of Tocceht.

You then double down on trying to reframe the timeline shift as a mistake or misunderstanding by me. When no, you shifted the timeline and I continued in the same timeline that you had set.

So now that we've got that out of the way. Let's get back to my original question. Why did you omit Hronek? But I guess you already answered. It didn't fit your narrative.

I had completely undermined your narrative by pointing out your omission of Hronek. With no response for that you shifted tactics to this attempt to reframe the discussion by making it about the timeline instead of your omission of Hronek. But that has also failed.

 

[Irie]

You're the one who was responding to a back and forth discussing the offseason and you expanded the timeline by including Tocceht. Hronek was acquired after Tocceht. On March 1st, 2023. Based on your inclusion of Tocceht into the conversation that would put Hronek squarely into the timeline of the conversation as well. I continued the conversation within the timeline being discussed as set by you.

You then tried to downplay or be dismissive of my post by saying "we're discussing the offseason".

I point out that no, you were not in fact discussing the offseason due to your inclusion of Tocceht.

You then double down on trying to reframe the timeline shift as a mistake or misunderstanding by me. When no, you shifted the timeline and I continued in the same timeline that you had set.

So now that we've got that out of the way. Let's get back to my original question. Why did you omit Hronek? But I guess you already answered. It didn't fit your narrative.

I had completely undermined your narrative by pointing out your omission of Hronek. With no response for that you shifted tactics to this attempt to reframe the discussion by making it about the timeline instead of your omission of Hronek. But that has also failed.

First of all, this is a discussion, not a debate, your need to "win" the discussion is keeping you from realizing what is actually being said.

The Canucks improving was never my narrative. My post was, "this Buffalo team is loaded with talent and the roster is pretty balanced now, I think it is going to be a good season".

Your focus on the Hronek acquisition was a strawman that completely missed the point of my post. And yes, I did address your Hronek complaint by saying the Hronek acquisition was exactly like the Byram acquisition, and happened during the previous season, not during the off-season.

Your crusade to dismiss anything Adams does has you missing the reality of this roster. Truth is, this roster is looking pretty good. You want to label the season a failure and hang it on Adams before a single game is played.

Give this team a chance and if Ruff and the new guys fail, then you and Doak and Ace can all have your "I told you so" victory party, but be warned.... and this is coming from someone that does not really like Adams - the replacement that Terry Pegula hand picks for the next GM is more than likely going to be a lot worse than Adams. So be careful what you wish for.

 

[DapperCam]

So in summation, we don't know who was available, at what price or if they would even come to Buffalo.

But it's still Kevyns fault that the guy I targeted isn't currently on the team, relative to the rest of the league. Got it yeah totes legit

At the end of the day it's up to the GM to make the team better. Being the youngest team in the NHL like 3 straight years isn't really a recipe for success. There are a lot of unknowns that fans will never know, so we can only judge based off the final result which has resembled sitting on his hands.

 

[Matt Ress]

At the end of the day it's up to the GM to make the team better. Being the youngest team in the NHL like 3 straight years isn't really a recipe for success. There are a lot of unknowns that fans will never know, so we can only judge based off the final result which has resembled sitting on his hands.

They're not even in camp yet. Did you say something about final results?

 

[zenthusiast]

I mean, I just don’t think it’s a great roster. Sure, it’s young and could rocket into excellence, but it could easy progress out to a middle of the road club with a few standouts

 

[DapperCam]

They're not even in camp yet. Did you say something about final results?

Final results meaning what the roster looks like. It's an underwhelming roster and nobody except Sabres fans are picking them to make the playoffs.

I would love nothing better than for every player to hit their potential and for the Sabres to make some noise in the playoffs. It's definitely possible as we saw two seasons ago.

 

[Matt Ress]

I mean, I just don’t think it’s a great roster. Sure, it’s young and could rocket into excellence, but it could easy progress out to a middle of the road club with a few standouts

I think it's good but not great. If they're stagnant or god forbid regress this year, I won't be the only one joining the dark side.

But my personal expectation is a playoff bubble team with Ruff having them play closer to their abilities than last season and perhaps some individual growth in the meantime. Is it f***ing November yet because I think we've all had this conversation 16 times already.

 

[Matt Ress]

Final results meaning what the roster looks like. It's an underwhelming roster and nobody except Sabres fans are picking them to make the playoffs.

I would love nothing better than for every player to hit their potential and for the Sabres to make some noise in the playoffs. It's definitely possible as we saw two seasons ago.

Then the final results are subjective and relative to all of us and our personal timelines because I don't believe this is Adams final result. All good man. We'll just have to wait a few more weeks for something fresh to argue about.

 

[SundherDome]

It's gunna come down to, can this team make a f***ing pass. I can't count how many times last year they just couldn't get one single pass right on a zone exit, zone entry or cycle. There was a game where they were blown out and it felt like they completed about 5 passes each period.

 

[BFLO]

First of all, this is a discussion, not a debate, your need to "win" the discussion is keeping you from realizing what is actually being said.

Another attempt to re-frame. Me not allowing you to get away with a bogus and untrue re-framing is not me trying to "win" a debate. It's simply keeping the discussion on the tracks. The tracks that you started it on, by the way.

The Canucks improving was never my narrative. My post was, "this Buffalo team is loaded with talent and the roster is pretty balanced now, I think it is going to be a good season".

A part of your narrative was that the Sabres would improve because they made lots of similar moves to the Canucks, who had done their moves and improvement the year before. You then listed off the canucks improvements. but left off Hronek.

Your focus on the Hronek acquisition was a strawman that completely missed the point of my post. And yes, I did address your Hronek complaint by saying the Hronek acquisition was exactly like the Byram acquisition, and happened during the previous season, not during the off-season.

Your focus on my focus of Hronek is the straw man. I've now spent longer pointing out the Sabres imbalance of PMDs vs Defensive specialists and complete lack of quality veterans on D than I did talking about Hronek specifically.

And you did not address my Hronek complaint by saying it was exactly the same as Byram. You dismissed my Hronek complaint by saying it fell outside of the timeline being discussed. Which it did not. Which is what kicked off this entire debate about the timeline.

Unless you're saying you left Hronek out of your original post because you mistakenly thought he fell outside of the timeline, despite including Tocceht?

Your crusade to dismiss anything Adams does has you missing the reality of this roster. Truth is, this roster is looking pretty good. You want to label the season a failure and hang it on Adams before a single game is played.

I'm on record saying that this is the best offseason that Adams has had, by far. But that's because he set the bar so low. Finally reshaping your bottom 6 and massively overpaying to do it isn't some big accomplishment, especially when it was 1-2 years overdue.

I haven't labeled the season a failure. But I think success this year would be more in spite of Adams than because of Adams. Much like the "success" we had in 2022-23.

I'm not as down on the team this year as you seem to think. But I also have no trust in Adams in the long run to actually build this into a cup contender.

Give this team a chance and if Ruff and the new guys fail, then you and Doak and Ace can all have your "I told you so" victory party, but be warned.... and this is coming from someone that does not really like Adams - the replacement that Terry Pegula hand picks for the next GM is more than likely going to be a lot worse than Adams. So be careful what you wish for.

You always say you don't really like Adams. but you're constantly defending him and I don't remember ever seeing you criticize him.

The next GM very well could be worse than Adams, but that should lead to a quick replacement and another shot at an improvement. I think to find the right GM you need to take a lot of shots at the dart board to hit the bullseye, especially when you're as lousy of a shot as Terry is at hiring managers.

 

[Irie]

Another attempt to re-frame. Me not allowing you to get away with a bogus and untrue re-framing is not me trying to "win" a debate. It's simply keeping the discussion on the tracks. The tracks that you started it on, by the way.

A part of your narrative was that the Sabres would improve because they made lots of similar moves to the Canucks, who had done their moves and improvement the year before. You then listed off the canucks improvements. but left off Hronek.

Your focus on my focus of Hronek is the straw man. I've now spent longer pointing out the Sabres imbalance of PMDs vs Defensive specialists and complete lack of quality veterans on D than I did talking about Hronek specifically.

And you did not address my Hronek complaint by saying it was exactly the same as Byram. You dismissed my Hronek complaint by saying it fell outside of the timeline being discussed. Which it did not. Which is what kicked off this entire debate about the timeline.

Unless you're saying you left Hronek out of your original post because you mistakenly thought he fell outside of the timeline, despite including Tocceht?

I'm on record saying that this is the best offseason that Adams has had, by far. But that's because he set the bar so low. Finally reshaping your bottom 6 and massively overpaying to do it isn't some big accomplishment, especially when it was 1-2 years overdue.

I haven't labeled the season a failure. But I think success this year would be more in spite of Adams than because of Adams. Much like the "success" we had in 2022-23.

I'm not as down on the team this year as you seem to think. But I also have no trust in Adams in the long run to actually build this into a cup contender.

You always say you don't really like Adams. but you're constantly defending him and I don't remember ever seeing you criticize him.

The next GM very well could be worse than Adams, but that should lead to a quick replacement and another shot at an improvement. I think to find the right GM you need to take a lot of shots at the dart board to hit the bullseye, especially when you're as lousy of a shot as Terry is at hiring managers.

Somehow, even after explaining what my point was, you are still hyper focusing on a silly strawman. I really don't know what to say.

My point was just to respond to the idea that this offseason has been another failure. I brought up the Canucks, because they went from an 83 point team to a 109 point team with a very pedestrian offseason. Yes, they traded for Hronek during the previous season, and the Sabres traded for Byram. Comparable pick ups if you measure them by their potential at the time of each trade. Both teams had a coaching change. Yeah, Vacnouvers happened with 30+ games left in the previous season, but the offseason was when they addressed their role players and brought in the guys that fit Tocchet's system, and the new coaching system had a full training camp to be implemented. Not too unlike what Adams did to fit Ruff's system.

You are hyper-focusing on the different dates in the coaching changes and claiming the situations are apples to oranges. They really aren't that different in the grand scheme of things, but even if they were, it was just a rough analogy to put some perspective on the value that changing role players can make to a team. A revamped bottom six often leads to much better results in teams standings than a couple of top 6 point producers will for many teams historically. Does it mean this Sabres team will be great? Of course not, but it was just some hope for this future season, and I don't think we should dismiss it as a "nothing" offseason. I think this team will be solid, we shall see who is right in a few months.

As for my criticism of Adams, i came out quite strongly against him regarding the Hall trade. Same for the Bloom trade. Same for The Mitts trade. Same for the Power extension. Same for his words in his interview after Jack went public with details about his surgery he wanted. Same after the Granato extension. Etc...

What I don't like is bullshit. Posters that complain about Adams not signing any top UFAs, when no top UFAs are signing in Buffalo, regardless of who is GM. Posters complaining about not acquiring top talent with NTCs via trade. Buffalo is on every good players NTC list, blaming Adams for that is dumb. For not spending the cap. It is ridiculously obvious that Pegula has reigned in the chekcbook the past few years and is involved in all spending decisions. Adams is protecting Terry when he goes on record of "having all the resoureces he needs to suceed" when asked about the team circumventing the cap floor. If he was being totally honest and there was no internal budget, he would flat out say, Terry has approved spending to the ceiling, instead, he twists his words to say, "I have all the resources I need". He's not being honest and is taking one for the Pegulas by getting up there and saying that.

Now what I do like about Adams, is that he is patient. This team needed a patient and stable GM who would slow build a rebuild and not try to cheat the rebuild timeline by trading the farm for short term help.

I tend to defend Adams whenever there are posts arguing any of the previous points. SInce this board is loaded with those naratives, I do defend Adams a lot more than I want to, but I feel we need a voice of reality sometimes when the mob fires up their torches and grabs their pitchforks.

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

Somehow, even after explaining what my point was, you are still hyper focusing on a silly strawman. I really don't know what to say.

My point was just to respond to the idea that this offseason has been another failure. I brought up the Canucks, because they went from an 83 point team to a 109 point team with a very pedestrian offseason. Yes, they traded for Hronek during the previous season, and the Sabres traded for Byram. Comparable pick ups if you measure them by their potential at the time of each trade. Both teams had a coaching change. Yeah, Vacnouvers happened with 30+ games left in the previous season, but the offseason was when they addressed their role players and brought in the guys that fit Tocchet's system, and the new coaching system had a full training camp to be implemented. Not too unlike what Adams did to fit Ruff's system.

You are hyper-focusing on the different dates in the coaching changes and claiming the situations are apples to oranges. They really aren't that different in the grand scheme of things, but even if they were, it was just a rough analogy to put some perspective on the value that changing role players can make to a team. A revamped bottom six often leads to much better results in teams standings than a couple of top 6 point producers will for many teams historically. Does it mean this Sabres team will be great? Of course not, but it was just some hope for this future season, and I don't think we should dismiss it as a "nothing" offseason. I think this team will be solid, we shall see who is right in a few months.

As for my criticism of Adams, i came out quite strongly against him regarding the Hall trade. Same for the Bloom trade. Same for The Mitts trade. Same for the Power extension. Same for his words in his interview after Jack went public with details about his surgery he wanted. Same after the Granato extension. Etc...

What I don't like is bullshit. Posters that complain about Adams not signing any top UFAs, when no top UFAs are signing in Buffalo, regardless of who is GM. Posters complaining about not acquiring top talent with NTCs via trade. Buffalo is on every good players NTC list, blaming Adams for that is dumb. For not spending the cap. It is ridiculously obvious that Pegula has reigned in the chekcbook the past few years and is involved in all spending decisions. Adams is protecting Terry when he goes on record of "having all the resoureces he needs to suceed" when asked about the team circumventing the cap floor. If he was being totally honest and there was no internal budget, he would flat out say, Terry has approved spending to the ceiling, instead, he twists his words to say, "I have all the resources I need". He's not being honest and is taking one for the Pegulas by getting up there and saying that.

Now what I do like about Adams, is that he is patient. This team needed a patient and stable GM who would slow build a rebuild and not try to cheat the rebuild timeline by trading the farm for short term help.

I tend to defend Adams whenever there are posts arguing any of the previous points. SInce this board is loaded with those naratives, I do defend Adams a lot more than I want to, but I feel we need a voice of reality sometimes when the mob fires up their torches and grabs their pitchforks.

After Tim Murray and Botterill, and my faith in Pegula, we likely don't get a better GM if Adams is fired. Totally agree with you.

 

[Matt Ress]

I get the impression that Adams and his team are pretty diligent which makes the sitting on his hands narrative weird to me. They might not swing at every pitch and miss a few curve balls but it seems like they keep their eye on the ball. Just my opinion I suppose

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Don’t worry guys we will 100% GUARANTEED be using that cap space at the deadline to add a top 6 forward

 

[nickdawg95]

Love the bottom six. energy and speed...

defence is good. with the return of samuelsson and a full year with byram. growth from both dahlin and power ( Mainly power )

now with the top 6. i think this org puts a lot of faith in Quinn which is why we haven't seen that big top 6 acquisition

i also think UPL is the real deal and he's gonna hit the ground running this year.

Benson-TT-Tuch
JJP-Cozens-Quinn
Zucker-Mcleod-Greenway
Malenstyn-Lafferty-Aube-kubel
Krebs

Samuelsson-Dahlin
Bryam-Jokiharju
Power-Cliffton
Johnson

UPL
riemer
Levi (In roc)

 

[K8fool]

Lindy. A once a week, grab a ritalin from a random child, or whatever, so the league can see those veins popping out of yr old and slow (like my poor sorry) asz. Scare the refs , turn off nhl edge in third periods and everyone who messes w us.

Good luck . I'm certain you bring buffalo hockey's return. Loved the 22 seats and the roof..Aud awed .. Brilliant

 

[GrierIsGod123]

Lindy. A once a week, grab a ritalin from a random child, or whatever, so the league can see those veins popping out of yr old and slow (like my poor sorry) asz. Scare the refs , turn off nhl edge in third periods and everyone who messes w us.

Good luck . I'm certain you bring buffalo hockey's return. Loved the 22 seats and the roof..Aud awed .. Brilliant

Ummm...okay!

 

[BFLO]

Somehow, even after explaining what my point was, you are still hyper focusing on a silly strawman. I really don't know what to say.

You are hyper-focusing on the different dates in the coaching changes and claiming the situations are apples to oranges. They really aren't that different in the grand scheme of things, but even if they were, it was just a rough analogy to put some perspective on the value that changing role players can make to a team.

Please quote where I hyper-focused on the different dates in coaching changes between the Sabres and Canucks and compared them as apples to oranges in this discussion. You're literally making up things that I didn't say at this point. You accuse me of focusing on a straw man and then make up this doozy.

The only reason I brought up the hiring date of Tocceht is because you dismissed my Hronek critique by saying it wasn't in the timeline being discussed.

You originally posted:

Look at the Canucks last year. They changed their coach, and added solid bottom six talent and bottom pairing guys, Lafferty, Blueger, Suter, Cole and Saucy. Those aren't sexy moves, but they really paid off.

The timeline of those events begins with the hiring of Tocceht on 1/22/2023, the other moves were in the offseason. So it makes complete sense to point out that you left out the most important player move they made during that timeline, which was Hronek on 3/1/2023.

Your response to my original Hronek critique:

We are talking about the offseason moves. Hronek was not an offseason acquisition for Vancouver. The same way no one here is considering Byram an offseason move. Hronek was a TDL acquisition the previous season.

You're incorrectly dismissing Hronek due to the timeline here.

I then pointed out your mistake on the timeline

You then double down with:

You responded to a back and forth that was discussing the offseason. You can find the start of the exchange with the post that starts:

This off-season has been completely different.

If you want to be condescending and dismissive about my post by saying it's not part of the discussion because it's not in the same timeline, you at least need to be correct about the timeline. Which you are not.

You've now succeeded in getting me to waste three posts just to re-establish what the timeline was.


I assumed you had left Hronek out of your original list of Canucks moves because it reflected poorly on Adams and his acquisition of Byram, not because of your mistake about the timeline. The Canucks needed a top4 rh pmd and got one in Hronek. The Sabres needed a top 4 rh defensive specialist and instead got a top 4 lh pmd in Byram. The canucks plugged the most important hole they had on their defense, the Sabres have not. That's a pretty big difference. I'd also point out that we paid more for Byram than the Canucks paid for Hronek, but you apparently also don't like the Mitts trade, so I guess we're in agreement there.

As for my criticism of Adams, i came out quite strongly against him regarding the Hall trade. Same for the Bloom trade. Same for The Mitts trade. Same for the Power extension. Same for his words in his interview after Jack went public with details about his surgery he wanted. Same after the Granato extension. Etc...

What I don't like is bullshit. Posters that complain about Adams not signing any top UFAs, when no top UFAs are signing in Buffalo, regardless of who is GM. Posters complaining about not acquiring top talent with NTCs via trade. Buffalo is on every good players NTC list, blaming Adams for that is dumb. For not spending the cap. It is ridiculously obvious that Pegula has reigned in the chekcbook the past few years and is involved in all spending decisions. Adams is protecting Terry when he goes on record of "having all the resoureces he needs to suceed" when asked about the team circumventing the cap floor. If he was being totally honest and there was no internal budget, he would flat out say, Terry has approved spending to the ceiling, instead, he twists his words to say, "I have all the resources I need". He's not being honest and is taking one for the Pegulas by getting up there and saying that.

re bolded: these alleged posters are straw men

I will say that it's at least in part Adams fault that he can't get anyone to sign here or waive a ntc. If he had made small incremental improvements and built off those in each of his previous 4 off-seasons instead of doing almost nothing, maybe he wouldn't still be having such a hard time with it in year 5. Maybe we'd now be at the point we could at least get a middling player to sign here or accept a trade.

Now what I do like about Adams, is that he is patient. This team needed a patient and stable GM who would slow build a rebuild and not try to cheat the rebuild timeline by trading the farm for short term help.

I think we agree on it being obvious that Pegula reigned in the cap and that Adams has done his best to shield the Pegula's from being criticized about it. But where we differ is that I think Adam's preaching "patience is the plan" is just more of him running interference to cover for cheap Pegula over the last 5 years. It's not something to praise him for.

Signing the best UFAs he could have the previous 3 seasons would not have been impatient, it would have been prudent. It would have improved the team, and allowed prospects to mature in the minors, where they belong, i.e. patient. And these UFAs could have been flipped for more assets every deadline.

 

[DJN21]

man I keep hoping for new roster talk and just see more of this^

PM eachother and debate amongst yourselves and slowly become bestfriends.

 

[Irie]

Please quote where I hyper-focused on the different dates in coaching changes between the Sabres and Canucks and compared them as apples to oranges in this discussion. You're literally making up things that I didn't say at this point. You accuse me of focusing on a straw man and then make up this doozy.

The only reason I brought up the hiring date of Tocceht is because you dismissed my Hronek critique by saying it wasn't in the timeline being discussed.

You originally posted:

The timeline of those events begins with the hiring of Tocceht on 1/22/2023, the other moves were in the offseason. So it makes complete sense to point out that you left out the most important player move they made during that timeline, which was Hronek on 3/1/2023.

Your response to my original Hronek critique:

You're incorrectly dismissing Hronek due to the timeline here.

I then pointed out your mistake on the timeline

You then double down with:

If you want to be condescending and dismissive about my post by saying it's not part of the discussion because it's not in the same timeline, you at least need to be correct about the timeline. Which you are not.

You've now succeeded in getting me to waste three posts just to re-establish what the timeline was.


I assumed you had left Hronek out of your original list of Canucks moves because it reflected poorly on Adams and his acquisition of Byram, not because of your mistake about the timeline. The Canucks needed a top4 rh pmd and got one in Hronek. The Sabres needed a top 4 rh defensive specialist and instead got a top 4 lh pmd in Byram. The canucks plugged the most important hole they had on their defense, the Sabres have not. That's a pretty big difference. I'd also point out that we paid more for Byram than the Canucks paid for Hronek, but you apparently also don't like the Mitts trade, so I guess we're in agreement there.

re bolded: these alleged posters are straw men

I will say that it's at least in part Adams fault that he can't get anyone to sign here or waive a ntc. If he had made small incremental improvements and built off those in each of his previous 4 off-seasons instead of doing almost nothing, maybe he wouldn't still be having such a hard time with it in year 5. Maybe we'd now be at the point we could at least get a middling player to sign here or accept a trade.

I think we agree on it being obvious that Pegula reigned in the cap and that Adams has done his best to shield the Pegula's from being criticized about it. But where we differ is that I think Adam's preaching "patience is the plan" is just more of him running interference to cover for cheap Pegula over the last 5 years. It's not something to praise him for.

Signing the best UFAs he could have the previous 3 seasons would not have been impatient, it would have been prudent. It would have improved the team, and allowed prospects to mature in the minors, where they belong, i.e. patient. And these UFAs could have been flipped for more assets every deadline.

Dude, you are obsessed. Let it go. The Canucks reference was, like in have said three times now, just a random thought to bring hope to this board. I could have and probably should have used one of 20 other team examples where teams made significant strides after just adding role players in an off-season.

You are literally trying to decipher the meaning of a post that had no forethought and creating this gargantuan strawman for some God unknown reason. Move on.

 

[Irie]

man I keep hoping for new roster talk and just see more of this^

PM eachother and debate amongst yourselves and slowly become bestfriends.

sorry man, I was honestly just trying to infuse some hope to the offseason forum, but the Adams haters are out to crush any positive vibes before they can start to grow.

Post anything positive and they will bury you in pages of semantics to stop the good vibes from spreading.

2024-25 is going to be a good season. Don't let the talk of the insignificance of the offseason moves detract from what is going on here.. A lot of very solid changes were made and this roster is now nicely balanced.

This team is young and hungry and there is a comradery among the players in that dressingroom - they are going to go to battle for each other. This is the foundation of a good team.

 

[kirby11]

It's gunna come down to, can this team make a f***ing pass. I can't count how many times last year they just couldn't get one single pass right on a zone exit, zone entry or cycle. There was a game where they were blown out and it felt like they completed about 5 passes each period.

I've never seen a team go through so many different players and have this be a recurring problem for nearly a decade

 

[tsujimoto74]

I've never seen a team go through so many different players and have this be a recurring problem for nearly a decade

I guess that’ll happen when you hire shitty coach after shitty coach and never get someone behind the bench who is capable of scheming up an NHL caliber system.

 

[Mattilaus]

I've never seen a team go through so many different players and have this be a recurring problem for nearly a decade

This is one thing that makes me hopeful the coaching change CAN have a good impact. The players coming in and out didn't forget how to pass or magically remember when they went elsewhere so in my view it has to be a system based problem. Players don't know where other players are going to be or where they are going to go.