The Roster Thread, Summer 2024

[toddkaz]

The Sabres don't need a starting goalie. Texier, Magniapane, Dubois, and Walman? There are better options available in FA than those four. Guys who are rumored to be "available", yet haven't been traded for by any GM in the league are, by definition, still available. I would be p*ssed if Adams had given up anything of value for any of the skaters who have been moved so far. There's still plenty of offseason left to add a couple of skaters who will fit better and actually make an impact. GM's are waiting for the right deals for the right players. Adams should also.

I never said they did. I said it shows players are available. I even said that in my post. Why didn't you read that part???

Trades are happening its just Adams isnt capable of making them.

 

[toddkaz]

The Ehlers+Iaffalo rumor was that Winnipeg wanted a big return, Adams wanted Ehlers to sign an extension, and things fell apart at that point.

Is Adams supposed to give up say 14+[Kulich, Savoie, or Rosen] for Ehlers without an extension and Iaffalo? Or what if the issue was that Ehlers not only wouldn't sign an extension, but he wouldn't waive, what is Adams supposed to do?

I get the frustration that Adams can't get deals over the goal line. But, no GM was getting anything of note done yesterday. This is a bigger issue than just Adams. It takes two to tango and nobody wanted to give up NHLers today. Likely because they weren't that high on this year's crop of prospects.

BOOM! Exactly what I said last night. It doesn't make sense. Take the blinders off.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806888576241848632

 

[BFLO]

I did not like Tim Murray's approach but at least he proved you could get many high profile players to Buffalo in a short time frame.

Saw this on reddit and it cracked me up. I added some caveats to make it closer to true.
*Stanley Cup winning FORWARD core* *Defense and Goalies not found* (well he did acquire a really good goalie, but he turned out to be crazy and now owes millions of dollars to an exotic snake breeding farm)

 

[Sabre Dance]

I’ll say this about Adams, he’s incredibly patient with his plan. Whatever his management team has been doing with scouting, drafting, and development is the best I’ve seen in Buffalo ever. I only go back to Regier.

If Ruff can get the structure in place there’s no reason why the Sabres shouldn’t grow into a consistent playoff team. It’s going to take another year I believe unless Adams can be better with his NHL moves.

 

[HaNotsri]

Saw this on reddit and it cracked me up. I added some caveats to make it closer to true.
*Stanley Cup winning FORWARD core* *Defense and Goalies not found* (well he did acquire a really good goalie, but he turned out to be crazy and now owes millions of dollars to an exotic snake breeding farm)
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Pegula's Buffalo Sabres could probably rival Joe Exotic as a netflix doc. Lehner not saving what, 13 consecutive penalty shots? "I can't do it coach!"

 

[Der Jaeger]

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He was also up and down between the NHL and the minors.

From a developmental and production viewpoint, Savoie and Point compare favorably for Savoie.

Trade ostlund and Rosen - prob solved

Trade Ostlund and you can take the “Sabres” part right out of your name, buddy.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806865636657705045

Easy, Rosen. Ostlund is a natural center who can play wing. They aren’t trading Helenius right after picking him and rating him in the top 10. Kulich has center experience but is probably a wing. Savoie can do either.

And Rosen isn’t some insane talent that the team wouldn’t part with him.

Keep as many player who can play center as you can, even if they end up as wings.

 

[Mattilaus]

I did not like Tim Murray's approach but at least he proved you could get many high profile players to Buffalo in a short time frame.

He had a bit of an advantage though. Buffalo wasn't know as being as dysfunctional back then. We were getting Eichel and it was thought we'd be on the way up. Nobody is buying that now, not until it already happens.

 

[TehDoak]

I've said this before, but the urgency now has been created by the lack of additions the previous two summers. One of the more infuriating things Adams has said that this was the 1st time he felt he could trade a 1st round pick

He had 3 1st round picks two years ago. And evidently he never even considered using one of them for immediate help. He missed the playoffs by a point a year ago...and didn't consider using the 1st round pick to improve the roster.

I don't necessarily think its a huge deal he used this pick. If there isn't a deal, there isn't one. However, The fact that this is the 1st time he even considered using his first round pick to add current roster, that is a much bigger underlying issue.

Typically, most of the moves are done by the 4th of July.

He has...6 days to turn this from a skilled team that can't defend with an inexperienced young defense to a playoff team.

 

[Tatanka]

From a developmental and production viewpoint, Savoie and Point compare favorably for Savoie.

Trade Ostlund and you can take the “Sabres” part right out of your name, buddy.

Easy, Rosen. Ostlund is a natural center who can play wing. They aren’t trading Helenius right after picking him and rating him in the top 10. Kulich has center experience but is probably a wing. Savoie can do either.

And Rosen isn’t some insane talent that the team wouldn’t part with him.

Keep as many player who can play center as you can, even if they end up as wings.

Don’t you think other teams feel the same way re: c vs w? I do not believe KA gets to make that call. The seller is going to want the versatile asset as well. If the player you want costs x in the sellers mind, you are not going to convince them to take a slight of build winger instead of a slight of build winger who can also play c. Jmho.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

Isak rosen isnt he soon ready for NHL soon ? Was sometime ago we drafted him now

 

[Der Jaeger]

Don’t you think other teams feel the same way re: c vs w? I do not believe KA gets to make that call. The seller is going to want the versatile asset as well. If the player you want costs x in the sellers mind, you are not going to convince them to take a slight of build winger instead of a slight of build winger who can also play c. Jmho.

Sure. But the question was who goes? Not who would another team want?

 

[OkimLom]

BOOM! Exactly what I said last night. It doesn't make sense. Take the blinders off.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806888576241848632

So he wasn’t able to be creative enough to work up a trade at a time where the draft picks are at their highest value to make a move, but I’m supposed to think he can get a deal done post-draft and into free agency using prospects and assets for a draft a year away.

He has a known surplus of supposedly high value prospects in a highly rated prospect pool. If he can’t get anything out of that and a top 15 draft pick, then he’s an ineffectual GM. If there’s no market, then you make the market. His job as GM is to help the organization NOW and the future, and his job is currently at risk RIGHT NOW. He has the pieces where he’s not at risk of mortgaging the future. Either 31 teams don’t value our prospects as high as we do, or he’s afraid to make a move.

 

[Tatanka]

Sure. But the question was who goes? Not who would another team want?

Isn’t that the crux of the issue? KA wants x, the seller says ok we want y with y being the more versatile player. It is a sellers market right now.

 

[toddkaz]

So he wasn’t able to be creative enough to work up a trade at a time where the draft picks are at their highest value to make a move, but I’m supposed to think he can get a deal done post-draft and into free agency using prospects and assets for a draft a year away.

He has a known surplus of supposedly high value prospects in a highly rated prospect pool. If he can’t get anything out of that and a top 15 draft pick, then he’s an ineffectual GM. If there’s no market, then you make the market. His job as GM is to help the organization NOW and the future, and his job is currently at risk RIGHT NOW. He has the pieces where he’s not at risk of mortgaging the future. Either 31 teams don’t value our prospects as high as we do, or he’s afraid to make a move.

Thank you!

"If there is no market then you make the market." Exactly.

Adams inability to close a deal has shown for 4 years.

We only have to wait one more week. Adams seems to have a plan but is ineffective executing it.

 

[sabremike]

Don’t you think other teams feel the same way re: c vs w? I do not believe KA gets to make that call. The seller is going to want the versatile asset as well. If the player you want costs x in the sellers mind, you are not going to convince them to take a slight of build winger instead of a slight of build winger who can also play c. Jmho.

I honestly don't think our prospects are valued nearly as high around the league as we value them.

 

[Tatanka]

I honestly don't think our prospects are valued nearly as high around the league as we value them.

Nor do I. I have no issue parting with any of them for the right piece. A 2 C, a RHD and or a scoring w with some bite.

 

[jc17]

I honestly don't think our prospects are valued nearly as high around the league as we value them.

Kulich and savoie I'd guess do. Ostlund and Rosen probably not. I bet some teams have an appreciation for the value of Neuchev, Komarov, and Novikov, to the point where if we do make a move I wouldn't be surprised if someone in that group is involved.

 

[Chainshot]

From a developmental and production viewpoint, Savoie and Point compare favorably for Savoie.

Trade Ostlund and you can take the “Sabres” part right out of your name, buddy.

Easy, Rosen. Ostlund is a natural center who can play wing. They aren’t trading Helenius right after picking him and rating him in the top 10. Kulich has center experience but is probably a wing. Savoie can do either.

And Rosen isn’t some insane talent that the team wouldn’t part with him.

Keep as many player who can play center as you can, even if they end up as wings.

Someone has to want him though.

 

[OkimLom]

I honestly don't think our prospects are valued nearly as high around the league as we value them.

If that’s the case, then we Sabres fans might need to re-evaluate how we look at our prospects and maybe take a deep dive into what we have. Because right now, that’s all Adams can hang his hat on and if If we have a prospect pool of at best tier 4 and 5 prospects at the end of the day, we might need to think just how secure his job should’ve been all these years.

 

[Fjordy]

I think Rochester will be overcrowded already, especially if they want to bring Helenius there. There will be a lot of talented and young players, but they also probably need some veterans and guys who are hard to play against.

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

Isn’t that the crux of the issue? KA wants x, the seller says ok we want y with y being the more versatile player. It is a sellers market right now.

I think that’s all blowing smoke - there’s absolutely NO market that materialized last night bc people don’t want to trade 1st rd picks near/before or during for players anymore for some reason …so how do we know what the market is if no one’s even willing to participate in it??

 

[Tatanka]

I think that’s all blowing smoke - there’s absolutely NO market that materialized last night bc people don’t want to trade 1st rd picks near/before or during for players anymore for some reason …so how do we know what the market is if no one’s even willing to participate in it??

I wasn’t referring to picks. I was discussing prospects, particularly the value of same in a sellers market.

 

[toomuchsauce]

I honestly don't think our prospects are valued nearly as high around the league as we value them.

I think this is exactly right. In the aggregate, it can be said that Buffalo has a "strong" or "great" or "#1" or w/e prospect pool. But, I don't think any one individual player is a going to be a star. We hope Savoie and Helenius can become Point and Aho, respectively, but...that's a lot of hoping. Rosen and Kulich are doing well in the AHL but they're not dominating the league or anything.

Then, there's also the hope that, when you put all these guys together on one team, the whole is greater than the parts. But, again...that's just hope, and it's got no trade value.

 

[Uberpecker]

How about a-develop-and-sell-with-profit-approach to our wealth of forward prospects.
Especially Peterka seems like a good candidate for this: Play him on the top line all season, have him become a PPG player, make the playoffs in the process, trade him for a nice return (Fiala trade comes to mind as a comparable regarding value) to avoid a costly contract extension, insert e.g. Rosen into the lineup, repeat.

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

I think this is exactly right. In the aggregate, it can be said that Buffalo has a "strong" or "great" or "#1" or w/e prospect pool. But, I don't think any one individual player is a going to be a star. We hope Savoie and Helenius can become Point and Aho, respectively, but...that's a lot of hoping. Rosen and Kulich are doing well in the AHL but they're not dominating the league or anything.

Then, there's also the hope that, when you put all these guys together on one team, the whole is greater than the parts. But, again...that's just hope, and it's got no trade value.

Isn’t this every prospect pool??? I think the overreaction on here is reaching epic levels - now our prospects aren’t as valued bc no one in the nhl made trades yesterday?! Geez guys you need to chill