The Roster Thread, Summer 2024

[TageGod]

I think you are right . Hopefully this summer it can be different . After next monday we know next season lineup . So he have less then 1 Weekdoing something and maybe 3 days now to make some serious change to the roster. if not able doing this we miss the playoffs again

There will definitely be trades post July 1. Teams will have to reevaluate their roster and circle back to other options. However, KA can avoid the urgency of FA by getting a big trade in this week. Get the big acquisition in now. Focus on Depth in FA.

 

[Jim Bob]

There will definitely be trades post July 1. Teams will have to reevaluate their roster and circle back to other options. However, KA can avoid the urgency of FA by getting a big trade in this week. Get the big acquisition in now. Focus on Depth in FA.

Last year, there were 3 trades on July 1, 2 trades on July 2, 1 trade on July 9, and then no more trades in the entire NHL for the rest of the month of July. And only 5 of those trades involved at least one NHLer.

There were 4 trades in August 2023, one of which was an AHL trade.

There were 2 trades in September 2023, one of which was an AHL trade.

There were 3 trades in October 2023, two of which were AHL trades.

Trades can happen after the first week of July. But, the volume drops way off when compared to the week before the draft through July 7 or so.

I took 2020 out due to the league calendar being really messed up. But, here are the trades league-wide that involved NHLers over the past 5 "normal" offseasons.

 

[truthbluth]

#1 target for me remains Nik Ehlers. I know what position he plays. I don’t care.

 

[Gabrielor]

My expectations are low right now. I hope to be surprised, but I have some serious doubts.

That's not good when more than ever I need the Sabres to make me care.

 

[Jim Bob]

#1 target for me remains Nik Ehlers. I know what position he plays. I don’t care.

I would prefer Buch over Ehlers. And with Ruff having experience coaching Buch, I wonder if he is higher on the Sabres shopping list.

But, I am also not excited about the idea with trading for a pending UFA. I do not like the idea of being so desperate that they give up premium trade assets for a one year rental.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Gotta sign Okposo. Look what he did for the Panthers room.

 

[Fjordy]

I would prefer Buch over Ehlers. And with Ruff having experience coaching Buch, I wonder if he is higher on the Sabres shopping list.

But, I am also not excited about the idea with trading for a pending UFA. I do not like the idea of being so desperate that they give up premium trade assets for a one year rental.

I have no problem that a player like Buch is one year away from UFA, the price will be lower. And this is not a guaranteed rent.

 

[Jim Bob]

I have no problem that a player like Buch is one year away from UFA, the price will be lower. And this is not a guaranteed rent.

I have zero interest in what an extension looks like for players like Buch or Ehlers.

A Buch extension starts with his age 30 season. And he would likely want 5+ years at $8M+ AAV.

An Ehlers extension starts with his age 29 season. And he would likely want 5+ years at $7M+ AAV.

No thanks.

 

[TageGod]

Last year, there were 3 trades on July 1, 2 trades on July 2, 1 trade on July 9, and then no more trades in the entire NHL for the rest of the month of July. And only 5 of those trades involved at least one NHLer.

There were 4 trades in August 2023, one of which was an AHL trade.

There were 2 trades in September 2023, one of which was an AHL trade.

There were 3 trades in October 2023, two of which were AHL trades.

Trades can happen after the first week of July. But, the volume drops way off when compared to the week before the draft through July 7 or so.

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I took 2020 out due to the league calendar being really messed up. But, here are the trades league-wide that involved NHLers over the past 5 "normal" offseasons.

It certainly supports the idea to do something now while you have partners and teams have clear value on this year's draft capital.

 

[truthbluth]

I’m really sick of the teeth gnashing about future contracts when we haven’t made the playoffs in 14 years. Build one roster of a competitive team. Then worry about the next roster.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

I’m really sick of the teeth gnashing about future contracts when we haven’t made the playoffs in 14 years. Build one roster of a competitive team. Then worry about the next roster.

Same. IMO every team should have Vegas’s mentality - the salary cap is a one-year problem.

 

[Jim Bob]

I’m really sick of the teeth gnashing about future contracts when we haven’t made the playoffs in 14 years. Build one roster of a competitive team. Then worry about the next roster.

I am not gnashing my teeth as much as saying that I would prefer that they use premium trade assets on players with team control beyond 2024-25 like Cirelli, Marino, Marchment, W Karlsson, N Roy, and others when compared to pending UFAs like Buch, Ehlers, Mangiapane, etc.

 

[Fjordy]

I have zero interest in what an extension looks like for players like Buch or Ehlers.

A Buch extension starts with his age 30 season. And he would likely want 5+ years at $8M+ AAV.

An Ehlers extension starts with his age 29 season. And he would likely want 5+ years at $7M+ AAV.

No thanks.

That's why I said that it's not a problem for me if it's a one-year rent, if it helps us get into the playoffs.

 

[Gabrielor]

I am not gnashing my teeth as much as saying that I would prefer that they use premium trade assets on players with team control beyond 2024-25 like Cirelli, Marino, Marchment, W Karlsson, N Roy, and others when compared to pending UFAs like Buch, Ehlers, Mangiapane, etc.

I'm sadly not in a particularly rational mood about it this morning; just make the damn playoffs and figure out what's next...next.

Adams has been so caught up in preparation to sustain success, he's skipped being successful in the first place.

 

[Fjordy]

I am not gnashing my teeth as much as saying that I would prefer that they use premium trade assets on players with team control beyond 2024-25 like Cirelli, Marino, Marchment, W Karlsson, N Roy, and others when compared to pending UFAs like Buch, Ehlers, Mangiapane, etc.

Okay, he trades for Farabee then.

 

[Jim Bob]

That's why I said that it's not a problem for me if it's a one-year rent, if it helps us get into the playoffs.

Making the playoffs is not a guarantee.

Exhibit A: Ottawa signing Tarasenko to a one year deal and their playoff drought continuing as Tarasenko raised the Cup with Florida.

Giving up premium trade assets for one year of pretty much any one player is not my idea of quality asset management.

 

[Gabrielor]

Making the playoffs is not a guarantee.

Exhibit A: Ottawa signing Tarasenko to a one year deal and their playoff drought continuing as Tarasenko raised the Cup with Florida.

Giving up premium trade assets for one year of pretty much any one player is not my idea of quality asset management.

Right, you're in lock step with Adams. Can't make a mistake if you never make a risky move. Just make future consideration trades and shuffle some AHL dmen.

 

[Mattilaus]

Maybe a long shot but after watching the finals, what do we think Mattias Janmark will get on a new contract? Maybe Dahlin could use the swedish connection to try and get him to sign here? Seems like a decent bottom 6 winger. Plays on the PK

 

[Jim Bob]

I'm sadly not in a particularly rational mood about it this morning; just make the damn playoffs and figure out what's next...next.

Adams has been so caught up in preparation to sustain success, he's skipped being successful in the first place.

And irrational, knee jerk decisions tend to end well....



I do not believe that a "Win Now" offseason has to include trading away premium trade assets for players without team control beyond 2024-25 or players that will require huge AAV extensions that are primarily in age 30+ seasons.

Florida built their Cup roster largely through trades and UFA signings. But, their offseason moves were not largely rentals. Especially the big time moves.

They went rental shopping at the TDL, for the most part.

And people want to call out Vegas. They are a team that goes over the cap and figures it out later. But, they have been relatively judicious with their signing players well into their 30s. Although, the Hertl extension is eating up way more 30+ seasons than they have previously.

Right, you're in lock step with Adams. Can't make a mistake if you never make a risky move. Just make future consideration trades and shuffle some AHL dmen.

I want him to make moves.

I just prefer players that are signed beyond 2024-25.

Cirelli > Buch
W Karlsson > Ehlers

And if you get guys on one year deals, let it be a guy like Faksa that will not require premium assets to acquire.

 

[Gabrielor]

And irrational, knee jerk decisions tend to end well....

Shuffling minor deck chairs to keep the sacred prospect pool ends exactly in November of 2024.

 

[HOOats]

I am not gnashing my teeth as much as saying that I would prefer that they use premium trade assets on players with team control beyond 2024-25 like Cirelli, Marino, Marchment, W Karlsson, N Roy, and others when compared to pending UFAs like Buch, Ehlers, Mangiapane, etc.

Thank God our fanbase isn't in charge of moves. Acting like one season of playoffs is our Make-A-Wish, it's a sad state.

We have such a strong collection of young talent. One or two key moves like you describe for contributing, controlled players in the right roles will unlock a multi-year run of success (playoffs and Cup shots).

Adams has signaled that this is a new phase following a strong asset/talent collection phase. It's up to him to do it of course, but I'm fine with disciplined adds that fit into our mid-term build towards a Cup. I want a Cup, not a first round exit.

 

[Fjordy]

I want him to make moves.

I just prefer players that are signed beyond 2024-25.

Cirelli > Buch
W Karlsson > Ehlers

And if you get guys on one year deals, let it be a guy like Faksa that will not require premium assets to acquire.

Cirelli 3C/2C. Buch winger in first/second line.

I agree that the ideal would be to get players who are already signed.

Although I think a guy like Mangiapane won't demand premium assets.

 

[Gabrielor]

Cirelli > Buch
W Karlsson > Ehlers

And if you get guys on one year deals, let it be a guy like Faksa that will not require premium assets to acquire.

All I've essentially heard all week is either 'no on wants to come to Buffalo' or 'x player you like isn't unavailable'.

Cirelli. Karlsson. Couturier. Coleman. Hartman.

It's all the same apparently.

 

[Jim Bob]

Thank God our fanbase isn't in charge of moves. Acting like one season of playoffs is our Make-A-Wish, it's a sad state.

We have such a strong collection of young talent. One or two key moves like you describe for contributing, controlled players in the right roles will unlock a multi-year run of success (playoffs and Cup shots).

Adams has signaled that this is a new phase following a strong asset/talent collection phase. It's up to him to do it of course, but I'm fine with disciplined adds that fit into our mid-term build towards a Cup. I want a Cup, not a first round exit.

And if they are desperate, I would prefer a 2 year deal for PKane to trading for Buch or Ehlers if they use trade assets to get Cirelli or Roy at C and Marino on D.

 

[Chainshot]

I mean, how does that work? He's not the only one in there. I'm not even sure he's in charge anymore with Lindy in the room.

He's the GM. Is this now going to be that he's subverted his own position?