The Quinn Hughes Homestretch Freakout Thread

[dgibb10]

For Quinn if it they wanted Lenni or Mercer and Nemec and Silayev just go with it. It was apparently ownership’s priority and they didn’t have final say? Just idiotic.

Both of those require a significant amount more cap space.

the reported ask from was 1st, Mercer, Nemec, Silayev. a lot more value than Minn ended up giving out because we didn't have the stylistic pieces, and still would have forced us to clear about 5 million dollars in cap space.

And we would have had to move Luke to the right side, and we would have had to take 1 of Hamilton or Hughes of the PP wasting a TON of their value, and we would have had gaping holes throughout our forward lineup

I am happy we passed at that price

 

[My3Sons]

Both of those require a significant amount more cap space.

the reported ask from was 1st, Mercer, Nemec, Silayev. a lot more value than Minn ended up giving out because we didn't have the stylistic pieces, and still would have forced us to clear about 5 million dollars in cap space.

I am happy we passed at that price

So if that’s how ownership wanted to roll that’s how you roll. Or at least you say Vancouver tried to bend you over compared to other teams to avoid the backlash from their own fans. And the cap was manageable at the time. They woukd have needed to run a 21 man roster and keep Kivacevic on LTIR a bit longer but with thr money out for Nemec and Mercer they woukd have been fine just dumping Noesen or they could have at least tried with Palat earlier. Fitz is an idiot but it still smells fishy to me.

 

[BostonDevil]

More explanation points doesn’t change reality. Vegas has certain advantages roster wise but anyone that they didn’t have Fitz screwing up the good base roster he was handed. And they won a cup with Hill in goal. That’s getting lucky.

I hear you but there's no limit to how aggressive they operate. From firing coaches, to bringing in questionable goalies, to not letting other teams talk to fired coaches, to getting every player they want, whenever they want. All in an effort to win at all costs.

I said it before. I'm jealous and I hope Sunny brings some of that from Florida.

This is a player that said he wanted to play with his TWO brothers and yet won't come here to play with them!!

Where did Brady get traded to?

If he signs with Minnesota on July 1st, this whole organization should be f'n embarrassed more than it ever has and should be out for blood, but I expect we'll go the other way. We'll play it safe, build through the draft and just watch the #86 walk away the first chance he gets.

You wanna rebuild again? Love ya, but for what? Should we go over the draft picks we had over the last 10 years? Unlikely to ever get better than that.

Get Robertson and Hellebuyck and Larkin and Quinn. Vegas would figure out a way to do it.

 

[BostonDevil]

Both of those require a significant amount more cap space.

the reported ask from was 1st, Mercer, Nemec, Silayev. a lot more value than Minn ended up giving out because we didn't have the stylistic pieces, and still would have forced us to clear about 5 million dollars in cap space.

And we would have had to move Luke to the right side, and we would have had to take 1 of Hamilton or Hughes of the PP wasting a TON of their value, and we would have had gaping holes throughout our forward lineup

I am happy we passed at that price

This is excuse making. If you want the guy, get the guy. Figure it out.

 

[dgibb10]

This is excuse making. If you want the guy, get the guy. Figure it out.

If the guy wants to come here, he will.

Yeah florida got tkachuk, because he forced his way there and so they had to pay the equivalent of 12th overall+Nemec.

The entire point of going after quinn was getting him cheaper because we have his brothers. If we don't get him cheaper then I'd have a number of targets that make more sense stylistically to get than quinn.

If we paid full price for Quinn we wouldn't be a contender right now and would be out of assets to become one.

You think we have holes at forward now? imagine having no mercer and no replacement. How do we get the goalie without assets? How do we improve the forward core without assets.

Show me the roster with Quinn as a contender where you've given up all the assets from nemec, mercer, our 1st, and silayev? Show it to me after we need to PAY both Quinn and Nico and you've given up said assets.

Also, probably toss away another 2nd round pick because when you have no choice but to clear cap to field a legal roster you aren't getting off palat that cheap.

 

[NJDevs26]

People can rebuild all they want, but rebuilds are only as good as the people making the picks/developing the players.

Conversely, a lot of organizations try to be win-now without the effectiveness (or the advantages) of Vegas/Florida/Tampa. Yeah Vegas fired their coach before the playoffs, so did the Islanders - that didn't help them lol

 

[BostonDevil]

If the guy wants to come here, he will.

Yeah florida got tkachuk, because he forced his way there and so they had to pay the equivalent of 12th overall+Nemec.

The entire point of going after quinn was getting him cheaper because we have his brothers. If we don't get him cheaper then I'd have a number of targets that make more sense stylistically to get than quinn.

No No No No. The point of getting Quinn is that he's one of the top 3 defensemen in the league and he makes your team better.

You have the advantage of having his brothers. THAT'S the advantage not cheaping out becuas of it.

We don't want to disrupt the style of defense to get a Norris trophy winner in here? Oh my! I would hate to see that. Our style is losing. Change it.

 

[NJDevs26]

I mean how did the Thachuks 'force' their way to Florida but Quinn couldn't force his way here if he wanted to come that badly?

 

[dgibb10]

No No No No. The point of getting Quinn is that he's one of the top 3 defensemen in the league and he makes your team better.

You have the advantage of having his brothers. THAT'S the advantage not cheaping out becuas of it.

We don't want to disrupt the style of defense to get a Norris trophy winner in here? Oh my! I would hate to see that. Our style is losing. Change it.

Show the roster that makes this team a contender with the 6 mill you have left. Make sure to include keeping the team good for more than 1 year when you have to pay nico and quinn hughes the massive raises!

We would be a meh fringe playoff team with no assets and no path to get better.

If Quinn Hughes actually wants to play with his brothers, he can get us there and have us keep enough assets to keep churning along.

You know how vegas kept it going? because they got Mitch Marner and didn't have to give up a THING to get him. 0 assets.

 

[BostonDevil]

People can rebuild all they want, but rebuilds are only as good as the people making the picks/developing the players.

Conversely, a lot of organizations try to be win-now without the effectiveness (or the advantages) of Vegas/Florida/Tampa. Yeah Vegas fired their coach before the playoffs, so did the Islanders - that didn't help them lol

Yeah Vegas and Florida will never be confused with the Islanders.

You know why drafting and developing doesn't matter to Vegas and Florida? Because everyone else does it for them. Those picks they gave away? Why would they care? When any of those picks become valuable at all, Vegas and Florida will just go get them.

Who drafted Marner? Who drafted Eichel? Who drafted Brady?

Those were great picks! When they turned into players that Vegas and Florida wanted, they just took them.

You go and draft like Ottawa and Buffalo, that's cute. That girl who started at the place you work with last year? The one you tried to strike up a conversation with for months? The one you finally worked up the courage to ask out and she said yes? You take her to the beach, Vegas kicks sand in your face and walks away with her.

 

[dgibb10]

Yeah Vegas and Florida will never be confused with the Islanders.

You know why drafting and developing doesn't matter to Vegas and Florida? Because everyone else does it for them. Those picks they gave away? Why would they care? When any of those picks become valuable at all, Vegas and Florida will just go get them.

Who drafted Marner? Who drafted Eichel? Who drafted Brady?

Those were great picks! When they turned into players that Vegas and Florida wanted, they just took them.

You go and draft like Ottawa and Buffalo, that's cute. That girl who started at the place you work with last year? The one you tried to strike up a conversation with for months? The one you finally worked up the courage to ask out and she said yes? You take her to the beach, Vegas kicks sand in your face and walks away with her.

How much in assets did vegas pay for Mitch Marner?
How much in assets did vegas pay for Jack Eichel?
How much in assets did vegas pay for Mark Stone.
How much in assets did vegas pay for pietrangelo.

Hint, the answer is that they paid less for all of them COMBINED than we would have paid for Quinn Hughes

You know who vegas actually didn't trade for? Norris winner Erik Karlsson. They felt the price was too expensive and went for different guys.

 

[BostonDevil]

Show the roster that makes this team a contender with the 6 mill you have left. Make sure to include keeping the team good for more than 1 year when you have to pay nico and quinn hughes the massive raises!

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We would be a meh fringe playoff team with no assets and no path to get better.

If Quinn Hughes actually wants to play with his brothers, he can get us there and have us keep enough assets to keep churning along.

You know how vegas kept it going? because they got Mitch Marner and didn't have to give up a THING to get him. 0 assets.

You know how they got Mitch Marner they showed that they don't screw around and want to win.

How did they get Eichel?

Figure it out!! Trade Timo. Trade Dougie. Trade Markstrom. It's your job to win. DO what it takes to win. Show the league your not going to say "Oh well. Timo isn't working out here. Shucks. Looks like were stuck with him.

Rangers wanted to get rid of Trouba and Kreider and...They were gone

 

[NJDevs26]

But again a lot of teams TRY to be Vegas and can't, in part because Vegas had the dual advantage of being gifted a good, deep team from the start and because of location/tax considerations. People force their way there pretty well every year, the last time we had anyone force their way here was probably freaking Marek Zidlicky in 2012 lol

It's not just about being pricks, and not every team that wins are total pricks either. People keep comparing Vegas to the Devils for reasons that escape me other than the obvious parallel of Lou firing coaches before the playoffs...if anything f***ing Carolina is a lot closer to those early Devil teams, a flock of interchangeable forwards and a dominant defense. Vegas is what the Rangers would be with competent management and a better climate/tax rate, star chasing left and right.

 

[dgibb10]

You know how they got Mitch Marner they showed that they don't screw around and want to win.

How did they get Eichel?

Figure it out!! Trade Timo. Trade Dougie. Trade Markstrom. It's your job to win. DO what it takes to win. Show the league your not going to say "Oh well. Timo isn't working out here. Shucks. Looks like were stuck with him.

Rangers wanted to get rid of Trouba and Kreider and...They were gone

Vegas decided to pass on a trade for Erik Karlsson in 2018-19 because they felt the price was too expensive. He went to SJS, and they went with the much cheaper option of Mark stone

They missed the playoffs. They didn't make any major trades that offseason. Instead they got pietrangelo in UFA instead of Karlsson via pricey trade.

They got Jack Eichel, Pietrangelo, and Stone for what they probably would have spent in assets on Karlsson.

 

[BostonDevil]

How much in assets did vegas pay for Mitch Marner?
How much in assets did vegas pay for Jack Eichel?
How much in assets did vegas pay for Mark Stone.
How much in assets did vegas pay for pietrangelo.

Hint, the answer is that they paid less for all of them COMBINED than we would have paid for Quinn Hughes

You know who vegas actually didn't trade for? Norris winner Erik Karlsson. They felt the price was too expensive and went for different guys.

They paid less because they had a track record of winning and being aggressive so players wanted to go there.

Didn't one of the guys that Vegas traded for Eichel get 10x8 today?

Also you are only covering one aspect of terror in here and walking into the other one "How on earth would they have the cap to make those moves"

You know how I can tell they didn't want Karlsson? He's not playing in Vegas!

So we're just throwing out Norris Trophy winners? Vegas didn't sign Giordano, Lidstrom, Chara or Bobby Orr either.

Karlsson was 33 when he was traded to Pittsburgh, and by the way, was in the playoffs last year while we were home.

 

[BostonDevil]

But again a lot of teams TRY to be Vegas and can't, in part because Vegas had the dual advantage of being gifted a good, deep team from the start and because of location/tax considerations. People force their way there pretty well every year, the last time we had anyone force their way here was probably freaking Marek Zidlicky in 2012 lol

It's not just about being pricks, and not every team that wins are total pricks either. People keep comparing Vegas to the Devils for reasons that escape me other than the obvious parallel of Lou firing coaches before the playoffs...if anything f***ing Carolina is a lot closer to those early Devil teams, a flock of interchangeable forwards and a dominant defense. Vegas is what the Rangers would be with competent management and a better climate/tax rate, star chasing left and right.

Yeah, but that roster is completely turned over, which is my point.

 

[Bcap88]

I mean how did the Thachuks 'force' their way to Florida but Quinn couldn't force his way here if he wanted to come that badly?

Well first off Quinn had no trade protection and two years on his contract

Matthew was an rfa with no contract indicating he wouldn’t re sign with Calgary and indicated he would only sign with a handful of teams with Florida being one of them

Brady has a no move clause

Forced is a strong term but Matt hand picked his destination and likely knew Brady wasn’t to far behind

 

[BostonDevil]

But again a lot of teams TRY to be Vegas and can't, in part because Vegas had the dual advantage of being gifted a good, deep team from the start and because of location/tax considerations. People force their way there pretty well every year, the last time we had anyone force their way here was probably freaking Marek Zidlicky in 2012 lol

It's not just about being pricks, and not every team that wins are total pricks either. People keep comparing Vegas to the Devils for reasons that escape me other than the obvious parallel of Lou firing coaches before the playoffs...if anything f***ing Carolina is a lot closer to those early Devil teams, a flock of interchangeable forwards and a dominant defense. Vegas is what the Rangers would be with competent management and a better climate/tax rate, star chasing left and right.

I don't compare Vegas to NJ and that's my problem. I want to be able to draw parallels.

Nashville should be Vegas but aren't either

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

You don't think sponsorship/marketing opportunities play a factor? I thought it was a pretty interesting argument.

Sure, but the desirable place to live part made me chuckle. NJ isn't that special. I also think it's not that big of a deal but yea (the sponsorship/marketing part). Hockey is huge in minnesota. I think he'd be fine there.

 

[dgibb10]

They paid less because they had a track record of winning and being aggressive so players wanted to go there.

Didn't one of the guys that Vegas traded for Eichel get 10x8 today?

Also you are only covering one aspect of terror in here and walking into the other one "How on earth would they have the cap to make those moves"

You know how I can tell they didn't want Karlsson? He's not playing in Vegas!

So we're just throwing out Norris Trophy winners? Vegas didn't sign Giordano, Lidstrom, Chara or Bobby Orr either.

Karlsson was 33 when he was traded to Pittsburgh, and by the way, was in the playoffs last year while we were home.

If you are going to deny real events that transpired its not worth having this conversation.

"vegas gets everyone they want every time, they'll just pay the price and not worry about it"

"what about the time they wanted Erik Karlsson but passed because the price was too much"

"well that means they didn't want him"


I could use that same logic with NJD. clearly we didn't want quinn, otherwise we'd have traded for him.

We got Meier, we got hamilton. All the guys we actually wanted we got.



Vegas passed on a 26 year old norris winning dman because they balked at giving up Cody Glass and taking on bobby ryans salary

They instead got mark stone and pietrangelo while holding onto a ton of assets that allowed them to make future moves.

They built a winner, then added to it with star players who wanted to come there, mostly on massive discounts or for free. They didn't turn themselves into a top team by buying out star players while they were mid

 

[BostonDevil]

Well first off Quinn had no trade protection and two years on his contract

Matthew was an rfa with no contract indicating he wouldn’t re sign with Calgary and indicated he would only sign with a handful of teams with Florida being one of them

Brady has a no move clause

Quinn could have told Vancouver he wasn't going to play for Minnesota/anywhere else when he left.

Quinn could force his way to NJ next week and we should be embarrassed if he doesn't

 

[BostonDevil]

....

I could use that same logic with NJD. clearly we didn't want quinn, otherwise we'd have traded for him.

...

There you go. Shut the thread down.

 

[Bcap88]

Quinn could have told Vancouver he wasn't going to play for Minnesota/anywhere else when he left.

Quinn could force his way to NJ next week and we should be embarrassed if he doesn't

Quinn gave none of the teams any assurances he would re-sign with them

Minnesota just said f*** it and sent a package that couldn’t be matched and Vancouver had no obligations to abide by his request

 

[NJDevs26]

Sure, but the desirable place to live part made me chuckle. NJ isn't that special.

Well it is once you're here...ask Douglas, Timo, Siegs and whoever the f*** else we won't get to accept trades out of here

 

[BostonDevil]

Quinn gave none of the teams any assurances he would re-sign with them

Minnesota just said f*** it and sent a package that couldn’t be matched.

Really? You think that if he got traded to NJ with his brothers, he would have said "Nah, we'll see."

He knew he had no protection and wasn't going to publicly (or privately) screw over Vancouver.

Brady said he wanted to stay in Ottawa two weeks ago and ended up with his brother on Sunday.

Stop with that.