Yeah, the story of vegas is certainly not "pay whatever it takes to get every star player who hits the market"
The Quinn Hughes Homestretch Freakout Thread
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Sure, we could have outbid minnesota and paid top price to "get the guy". But that would not at all be like what Florida and Vegas have done.
Florida has gotten guys cheaper than the market because they want to come to florida and will not sign in other places. Same with vegas.
You build the desirable location and the winner first with smart drafting and value additions. Then, once you are a contender, you get star players for under market.
You don't skip from the mushy middle to elite by paying out the ass for top talent with nothing to back it
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Brady has a no move clause he can hand pick any team he wanted too it’s really not a hard concept to understand. I’m sure internally Brady was disgruntled and Ottawa knew that so they shopped him. Minnesota offered a package that blew Florida’s out of the water but Brady said no I want to play with my brother. That is what having protection does.
Vancouver didn’t give a shit if Quinn wanted to play on New Jersey because they were going to do what was best for them because Quinn had no say so
The only thing I can take from this, in the event Quinn doesn't resign, is they made it clear their intent and the blame will go to Quinn and he will be the bad guy. They could just stay silent (like a certain someone) if it wasn't looking but then that'd make the owners and gm look bad.
They took advantage of getting top players for less than they are worth or for free.
What you are suggesting is not that at all. What you are suggesting is to be minnesota. Paying whatever it takes. But hey, they seem to still have some holes on their roster, are all in, and now don't seem to have enough assets left to get the guys they want.
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It would have been a statement.
If he stays in Minnesota. Why? It's not their rich tradition of winning. It's not taxes. It's not weather.
Let me predict the future for you. Here's the press conference: "Billy took a big chance and gave up a lot to bring me here. I owe it to the organization to try to bring a championship to Minnesota"
Sure we would have ended up with Quinn hughes. Nobody is saying we couldn't have outbid minnesota.
But what after that. What do we do to become an actual contender and fix the multiple other holes the team would have, after trading away all the resources we have? Because we wouldn't be a contender right away.
There would still be more to fix.
The path to NJD winning a cup is Quinn hughes deciding he ONLY wants to play in NJD with his brothers and us getting him for vastly less than he is worth.
Beyond that the path is finding other vastly undervalued draft picks and players who turn into stars eg how VGK and Florida actually built the rest of their teams. The Karlssons, theodores, marchessaults, Forslings, montours, bennetts, verhaeghes, erods, lundells, etc
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LOL what star player ever stays out of 'loyalty' to the GM? Quinn might believe in the vision of a winner - if there is a vision beyond all in right now - or want to play in a hockey market without the pressure of Canada/NY but he's not going to sign an eight-year deal out of personal loyalty when Guerin might not be there past two.
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What free? They gave up stuff. They gave draft picks left and right, just like Florida. They both pay too. The get discounts because players want to win and they win.
Nobody was going to Florida 10 years ago. Sun, taxes, everything. They traded away a 115 point player to start the ball rolling.
Missing the point that Quinn did try to round about force his way here. He was actively telling teams he couldn’t guarantee an extension.
Detroit and I think another team dropped out cause of that.
It pretty much left Nj as the last one standing until Minnesota swooped in and offered the package and didn’t care if they didn’t have his assurance.
If Quinn had any sort of trade protection he is in Nj for a fraction of the cost that Vancouver got for him.
Detroit and I think another team dropped out cause of that.
It pretty much left Nj as the last one standing until Minnesota swooped in and offered the package and didn’t care if they didn’t have his assurance.
If Quinn had any sort of trade protection he is in Nj for a fraction of the cost that Vancouver got for him.
Matthew Tkachuk was not willing to sign with other teams. They already had the desirable destination because they had already built a top team before they made a single big trade acquisition.
They didn't outbid the rest of the league for Matthew Tkachuk.
FItzgerald was willing to put 2nd overall on the table. But Matthew didn't want to sign in NJD.
You build the good team first with value acquisitions and good drafting. And then you get stars who want to come to you for less than they are worth. Again focus on the bold. Plenty of teams have failed by simply paying boatloads of cash and assets for star players.
That's actually what Kyle Davidson is doing right now. He wanted his guy, and he got him. He paid the 4th overall pick++ and 12.5 mill, but he's gonna get his guy
You don't outbid the entire market on guys who are free for everyone and become the best like that.
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The Quinn move makes the team better. Zero question.
He doesn't have to take less. Other guys will look at the team differently. THEY will take less to be here.
If Quinn was here, do you think Larkin might have us as a destination?
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Its really not complicated, idk why people are making it so.
The Wild's one and only advantage in this current situation is Quinn is currently their player and they are desperate to keep him.
So its comes down to how much of a priority is playing with his brothers to him right now. If its a big priority he will walk himself here next offseason.
If its not then the simplest thing for him to do is avoid the stress of open market and just sign with his current team short term and reassess in a few years
I also think its insanely clear that Guerin is trying to do everything possible to try and convince him to stay
Him trying to trade for Luke made it insanely clear to me as a virtue signal more then an actual move.
And with what assets are we going to acquire dylan larkin. We'd have even less assets than minnesota does now.
What are we gonna offer them then? Arseny Gritysuk+Casey+2 1sts+Lenni?
I mean we are only over the cap by 2 mill and still haven't fixed the goalie issue and have no assets and need multiple pieces to fill the forward core but looks great!
NJD is not in a position to have paid top dollar for Quinn hughes and then paid again for Dylan larkin or whoever else.
Now, if we can get Quinn Hughes for free or for dirt cheap, then yeah we'll be cooking. But we are not a good enough team to be pushing all of our chips into the table.
We have the xfactor. Which is that if Quinn hughes wants to play with his brothers and we can get him for free it can instantly make us a contender. It is a weird piece of value almost never seen before. Like how Neidermeyer joining the ducks for free made them a contender and won them a cup.
Something tells me though they wouldn't have won that cup if they traded us Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry for Niedermeyer instead of getting him for free
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The closest comp to this situation is Niedermeyer joining the mid ass ducks.
Something tells me the ducks wouldn't have won the cup if they, instead of getting Scott for free, gave us corey perry and Ryan Getzlaf.
Something tells me the ducks wouldn't have won the cup if they, instead of getting Scott for free, gave us corey perry and Ryan Getzlaf.
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If Larkin came here, the same logic you are using applies. If Quinn wants to play with his brothers and Larkin, Minnesota trades him to NJ for less, he plays out the contract and they lose him for nothing, or they trade him somewhere else that may be willing to play the rental game to win the cup.
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Stop being afraid. Larkin says he wants to come here. We give them picks and other stuff that would be expendable like Mercer. He's forcing his way to us, Florida found things for Brady.
Dump guys. Figure it out.
Love you guys, but you are exhausting. A million ways to do things. That's what good GMs do.
I see it all the time. Everyone bitches about Fitz and then turns into Fitz Jr. when a big move goes down: "Oh we don't have the cap room". "We couldn't find a match" , "Things didn't align", "We don't have the assets"
Big swings, baby! We've got nothing to lose!
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I'm certainly not against Larkin, I just don't see how realistic it is that Detroit will just let themselves get bent over when he's got FIVE YEARS left on his deal.
It's almost like demanding we call Edmonton for McDavid, that ain't happening either.
It's almost like demanding we call Edmonton for McDavid, that ain't happening either.
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