Speculation: The Quest to sign Lindholm: Part II
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Dr Johnny Fever
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Ok. If I'm wrong I retract my accusation. I thought I read that, maybe it was just speculation. But I don't want to see him put there, 'cause he don't belong.
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Juicy Pop
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The Ducks would have been fine if Murray didn't feel the need to trade for — and extend — an over the hill plug like Bieksa to replace a "gap" left by Beauchemin. How the hell can you justify giving him 4M only to turn around and penny pinch your budding #1D?
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caliamad
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Bob made a few terrible mistakes the last few. Trading palmeiri and hagelin, not resigning perron. Taking Bernier without retention. Signing boll.
But none worse than signing stoner and Bieksa and trading andersen without including stoner in the deal.
The thing is we have so many good d prospects he can fix it.
I'm not sure why it's dragging on to be honest.
Honestly I think he is just being stubborn. Can't admit he blew it on stoner and Bieksa and doesn't want to pay the price to get rid of them. Penny pinching lindholm is icing on the cake.
But none worse than signing stoner and Bieksa and trading andersen without including stoner in the deal.
The thing is we have so many good d prospects he can fix it.
I'm not sure why it's dragging on to be honest.
Honestly I think he is just being stubborn. Can't admit he blew it on stoner and Bieksa and doesn't want to pay the price to get rid of them. Penny pinching lindholm is icing on the cake.
The Podium
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I'd get creative if I were him.
To 2nd team
Stoner
2nd
To Anaheim
Scraps
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To 3rd team that needs a bottom pairing D
3rd
To Anaheim
Scraps
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To 3rd team that needs a bottom pairing D
Stoner 50% retained
To 2nd team
Scraps
No team takes on Stoner's full contract, but Anaheim gets it off the books entirely. 2nd gets the 2nd for taking the 1.75 mill for 2 years, and 3rd team gets a 3rd because they get a reasonably priced bottom pairing D.
To 2nd team
Stoner
2nd
To Anaheim
Scraps
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To 3rd team that needs a bottom pairing D
3rd
To Anaheim
Scraps
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To 3rd team that needs a bottom pairing D
Stoner 50% retained
To 2nd team
Scraps
No team takes on Stoner's full contract, but Anaheim gets it off the books entirely. 2nd gets the 2nd for taking the 1.75 mill for 2 years, and 3rd team gets a 3rd because they get a reasonably priced bottom pairing D.
Considering there are few teams that can take on extra cap especially when you look at who they have to sign next year of their own RFAs, they would likely be asking for an overpay from the Ducks to take on stoner. Believe it or not, the teams with the cap space have the upper hand here in any deal.
The Podium
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That why I suggested spreading it over a couple teams (teams can easier add a contract <2 mill than >3) and add 1 team that is looking for a bottom pairing D because they get value out of the player itself.
Leafs for example have ~14 mill in potential LTIR and >22 mill in cap space next year with no major contracts looming. They could easily eat that 1.7 mill with any sort of compensation.
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McKenzie/Lindholm: "So my sense of it is at 5.5 this deal gets done in a heartbeat, I would think." #NHLDucks
McKenzie/Lindholm: "So my sense of it is at 5.5 this deal gets done in a heartbeat, I would think." #NHLDucks
Maybe, but I do not see it happening since cap space is too valuable. I think it is going to cost the Ducks a lot to fee cap space to sign Lindholm since the Ducks are not negotiating from a position of strength. Personally, if they want to dump Stoner, they may have to give up Lindholm in the deal to make it happen and take back lower cost assets as compensation.
This makes zero sense. The Ducks goal is to sign Lindholm, not use him to facilitate a cap dump.
The Podium
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It makes complete sense. They have an asset they cannot sign due to very poor cap management, they cannot let him sit for very much longer without causing irreparable harm to the relationship between Hampus and the Ducks. Teams are not going to willingly take a ducks cap dump so the ducks can sign Lindholm without being compensated significantly. So I can see them making a deal to trade Lindholm and Stoner and bringing back players that are lower cost that can help the team now and they get to stay under the cap.
If they give up Lindholm they have no reason to dump stoner
They need to get rid of Stoners bad contract to fix their bad cap management. Anyways, if i was the Ducks, I would never consider trading Hampus unless they took Stoner as well. The Ducks should never have put themselves in the cap position that they are and it will cost them to get out of it. The problem with Stoners contract is that it is two years left. If he was a RFA next year, he would be easier to get rid of.
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Dont disagree with your post but Tor did retain on Bernier
It does not negate the rest of what you have said
WhatTheDuck
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You're reaching. We need to free up just over $2M to get Lindholm signed, that can be accomplished in a variety of ways without having to move our best young dman.
I am not reaching, I am doing the math. If the Ducks only need two million to sign Lindholm and it was so easy to clear that two million, Lindholm would be playing right now for the Ducks and this tread would be locked. I am playing the odds right now and maybe completely wrong in the end, but I think that the Ducks are going to take a hit here very soon due to the Cap issue they are in.
dracom
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They only paid his bonus, which is around 2 million. They didn't retain any salary so we still got hit with the full 4 million cap.
Toronto did not retain on Bernier. Also doesn't negate the rest of what you have said.
dracom
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If we're going to clear cap space, it'll be Fowler or Vats who goes along with Stoner, either in the same deal or in separate ones. It would counter intuitive to trade Lindholm with Stoner attached.
According to Cap Friendly Ana is here with cap:
CAP: $72,634,164
PROJECTED CAP SPACE: $365,836
that's with 46 contracts
Even if these #s are slightly off, Lindholm is $5.5M at a minimum
Assume Ana decides not to have an internal cap (usually 10% below cap or $64.8M)
You need to find $5M and be AT the capand with an internal budget your need to shed about $13.3M with current roster
I think your $2M is off by a bit, maybe you have other info we are not factoring?
Sorry.
I was corrected a few wks back by a ANA poster who said Tor ate 50% and did not ck his info.
Ouch that's a hefty #
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