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illegal_stick

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Love Quick, love what he's done for us in the past, BUT... it seems like such a waste to have him backing up Petersen. We know what we have with Quick, an aging veteran, nearing the end. Would have liked to have seen him go elsewhere and get a chance to prove himself, but I assume no one wanted the cap hit and he didn't exactly look like he had much left this year - so no blame on anyone for moving him.

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Are we going to have another year of him as the back-up. If you KNOW that Petersen is the answer then I guess it's fine. He can help mentor him etc. My worry is this - what if Petersen isn't that great? Should we not be using that backup position to see what else we have? I won't go into a whole Jack Campbell thing as I guess we'd be losing him to Seattle anyway, but can someone please tell me what is gained by keeping him there. To me, he is occupying a roster spot that we could be use to be seeing what we have and more importantly, what we NEED in goal.

Love the guy and I'm all for loyalty - but loyalty means rewarding a guy for what he's done. Kings did that - they paid him well AND they kept him around when the rest of the league thought he was done. So now, we're going to go one more year of this - let Quick back up, just because and hope to hell, Petersen is the answer? Here's hoping.
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illegal_stick said:
Love Quick, love what he's done for us in the past, BUT... it seems like such a waste to have him backing up Petersen. We know what we have with Quick, an aging veteran, nearing the end. Would have liked to have seen him go elsewhere and get a chance to prove himself, but I assume no one wanted the cap hit and he didn't exactly look like he had much left this year - so no blame on anyone for moving him.

BUT

Are we going to have another year of him as the back-up. If you KNOW that Petersen is the answer then I guess it's fine. He can help mentor him etc. My worry is this - what if Petersen isn't that great? Should we not be using that backup position to see what else we have? I won't go into a whole Jack Campbell thing as I guess we'd be losing him to Seattle anyway, but can someone please tell me what is gained by keeping him there. To me, he is occupying a roster spot that we could be use to be seeing what we have and more importantly, what we NEED in goal.

Love the guy and I'm all for loyalty - but loyalty means rewarding a guy for what he's done. Kings did that - they paid him well AND they kept him around when the rest of the league thought he was done. So now, we're going to go one more year of this - let Quick back up, just because and hope to hell, Petersen is the answer? Here's hoping.
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You are completely discounting the mentoring factor. Goaltending is a tough position . How many Raycroft "rising star " goalies have had great starts and fizzled and were out of the league in a few years.

After Quick's contract is up, we can start grooming Petersen's replacement
 
What solution do you offer? You said it yourself, no other team wants him. He's a below average NHL goalie with a big cap hit, old age and two years left on his contract.

Buyout? AHL?
 
We’re past the point of worrying about what to do with Quick. If Cal Petersen isn’t an above average NHL goalie next season and the starter, then the Kings have a bigger problem than what to do with the backup position, Quick or otherwise.

Cal was a top 10 goalie the first half and fell off in the second. Plenty of excuses for that, both individual and team related. But he is 27 years old, so you should expect the dip to be less. His save percentage ended up .911, which is good, relatively speaking. But Quick led the team in wins with 11 in 22 games, while Cal won 9 out of 35 games, 32 of which he started.

A couple extra wins wouldn’t have made the difference for making the playoffs. But if Cal stood on his head for a couple more wins, there would be some better progress to show.
 
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We don't have a prospect anywhere close to ready to take the NHL back-up spot, hence why we had the 31-year-old career AHLer Grosenick backing up Petersen after Quick went down.

There is no problem with Quick, we're perfectly fine with him in his current role. The problem is we don't have a plan B if Cal doesn't live up to our expectations.
 
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I don't think Quick is done. With a decent team in front of him he'd be fine. MAF is older and in the vezina talk this year. I don't think golden shower fans are looking to drum the flower out of town. I used to think Pete was the heir apparent until I learned his age and then his lackluster performance this year. I'll keep JQ.
 
redcard said:
We don't have a prospect anywhere close to ready to take the NHL back-up spot, hence why we had the 31-year-old career AHLer Grosenick backing up Petersen after Quick went down.

There is no problem with Quick, we're perfectly fine with him in his current role. The problem is we don't have a plan B if Cal doesn't live up to our expectations.
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Id like to see what the Kings have with Parik and Ingham. Didn’t understand why with Viallta playing poorly and Ingham, which played well in his 1 AHL game, didn’t get more time in the AHL.
 
I really don't think Quick is an issue. Because we have so much cap space and we aren't really close to contender status I have no problem with Quick being around. I think the only way that Quick isn't with the team at some point in the future is if he wanted out and wanted another chance at a cup, but given his age, cap hit and sub average play I doubt any team would really want him. So now your only option is to buy him out, but again we don't have any goalies to step in and Cal wasn't exactly convincing to end the year.
 
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Quick doesn’t cost that much anyway and is one of the few that give a crap about winning a hockey game. I said it before but he reminds me a lot of Richter, same athletic goalie that relies on athleticism.

Quick can hold up if he can split the load and be better managed by the coaching staff. They had a good stretch of playing Quick and Petersen early in the season, then the wheels came off.
 
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Where is this coming from? He played fine this season, and cap space is not an issue. IMO, he was better than Cal despite having injuries.

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But yeah, we do need a goalie prospect for Ranford to work with and groom for the near future.
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Parik is coming up to the AHL/ECHL next season, and he has looked promising. Who knows, we might grab a goalie earlier than previous drafts, considering Emerson spoke about the how thin the goaltending pipeline was in a podcast this season.
 
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Parik is now AHL eligible, and Ingham completed his first professional year between AHL/ECHL.

Hrenak is also going for his 5th year at St. Cloud.

They're not NHL ready, especially without dev camp last year.
 
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I for one would not mind if the Kings traded up into the late 1st round or earlier in the 2nd for Sebastian Cossa. I am not high on anything in the Kings Goalie pipeline.
 
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LT Dan said:
You are completely discounting the mentoring factor. Goaltending is a tough position . How many Raycroft "rising star " goalies have had great starts and fizzled and were out of the league in a few years.

After Quick's contract is up, we can start grooming Petersen's replacement
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I hope you're right. My concern is what if Petersen isn't the guy. Then what does that mentoring do? And I'm not even saying Petersen blew it this year, I'm saying to me he shows promise and at one point, so did Mathieu Garon. So I guess my concern is two years from now, we are by no means cup ready, but ready to make a little noise in the playoffs and Petersen isn't the guy?
 
BigBrown said:
What solution do you offer? You said it yourself, no other team wants him. He's a below average NHL goalie with a big cap hit, old age and two years left on his contract.

Buyout? AHL?
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Fair - this is the problem - culture wise I guess the buyout looks really bad. Just this year, when it all fell apart, would have seemed like a time to see what else is in the system. Although, reading a lot of the other replies, I guess the real problem is the lack of pieces in the system.
 
The Lukeman said:
Where is this coming from? He played fine this season, and cap space is not an issue. IMO, he was better than Cal despite having injuries.


Parik is coming up to the AHL/ECHL next season, and he has looked promising. Who knows, we might grab a goalie earlier than previous drafts, considering Emerson spoke about the how thin the goaltending pipeline was in a podcast this season.
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Not even complaining about his performance this season, just looking at it from the perspective of - when we're good, he'll be done. I'm hoping Parik can show something, but obviously should be nowhere near the NHL for a bit. Guess I was thinking more along the lines of college free agents etc, trying an unsigned overseas goalie and seeing what happens.
 
So we have the greatest goaltender in franchise history who CARRIED THE TEAM ON HIS BACK into the playoffs and then won MVP. How many players in this team's sorry ass history have competed at that level?

Now we have a new goaltender that many believe is the future of this team. We have the perfect mentor to show this kid how to compete, how to fight, how to carry a team, how to be a pro, and what's needed to win championships because he's done it all and won it all.

I wouldn't trade Quick we have enough picks and prospects and I sure as hell wouldn't buy him out, that's ridiculous and straight up insulting. Everyone talks about culture, well that's the type of mood that creates a cancerous culture. You keep him in LA, give him respect, and allow him to mentor Cal into the next goaltender who will hopefully lead this team to another championship.

This team has for the large part has been a bunch of passengers, Quick is one of the best players in franchise history, and arguably the hardest working and most intense. You need him showing all these kids what it takes to be elite.

Quick is a total nonissue and I get very irritated when he's brought up. This guy deserves a statue for what he's done for this team and the level of compete he brings every night. He's a total badass.
 
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The biggest problem with Quick is he was better than Petersen for the 2nd half of the season. Quick is absolutely a legend, but we all know he wasn't anywhere near his level of play when we were winning. Petersen's numbers aren't that far off from what Quick's were during the regular season when he was breaking in, but what concerns me is the GAA and the lack of shutouts. Quick could keep teams off the board, and he was going to shut someone out every 12 games or so. And that got better in the playoffs. Yes, different defense and different systems for a lot of the time, but Quick was pitching shutouts on some pretty crappy Kings teams when he started. Heck, he had 2 this year.

Petersen hasn't shown that and it's my biggest concern about the guy, he doesn't really steal games which is a necessity for championship teams. My gut tells me the team is going to have to trade for a goalie if they want to get over the hump, just hoping I'm wrong and Petersen can find that next gear and mystique that Quick had.
 
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The biggest problem with Quick is he was better than Petersen for the 2nd half of the season. Quick is absolutely a legend, but we all know he wasn't anywhere near his level of play when we were winning. Petersen's numbers aren't that far off from what Quick's were during the regular season when he was breaking in, but what concerns me is the GAA and the lack of shutouts. Quick could keep teams off the board, and he was going to shut someone out every 12 games or so. And that got better in the playoffs. Yes, different defense and different systems for a lot of the time, but Quick was pitching shutouts on some pretty crappy Kings teams when he started. Heck, he had 2 this year.

Petersen hasn't shown that and it's my biggest concern about the guy, he doesn't really steal games which is a necessity for championship teams. My gut tells me the team is going to have to trade for a goalie if they want to get over the hump, just hoping I'm wrong and Petersen can find that next gear and mystique that Quick had.
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He's the next Mathieu Garon. He'll play alright most nights, but lay some stinky eggs and never really dominate a match.
 
I think some people are forgetting just how good Cal was to start the season. He was quite literally stealing games pretty regularly, and at the very least bailing the team out with timely saves repeatedly.

It did come crashing down with everything else at the end with the rest of the team and that raises questions whether he's 'the guy' or just another 40-game regular NHL starter but imo it's insulting to compare him to guys like Garon and others who couldn't hold down the job in any manner. At worst at this stage in his career he's a 1B. He's not rife with inconsistencies or anything. He's simply "not Quick." And people around here better get used to seeing that with the replacements for our legendary players (i.e. you think people complain about Kopitar, wait till they can get a hold of Byfield. You think Doughty is a problem? Wait till you see Matt Roy as our #1 dman etc).

However if there's a positive it's that he showed me when he's on, he has that sense of timing that JQ always had, the competitiveness to go with a mental calmness.
 
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