The Problem with Quick

[bland]

He's the next Mathieu Garon. He'll play alright most nights, but lay some stinky eggs and never really dominate a match.

That wasn't really Garon though. He would steal games he had no business winning, which bought him a lot of opportunities that the rest of his play didn't warrant.

 

[KINGS17]

That wasn't really Garon though. He would steal games he had no business winning, which bought him a lot of opportunities that the rest of his play didn't warrant.

Garon, when he was playing for the Avs, stood on his head a few times in games against the Kings, which led us to think he was a great young goalie.

 

[johnjm22]

Funny, I feel he was worse than his record indicated.

He seems to get more goal support than Petersen. Maybe better matchups too.

But I was referring specifically to SV% and GAA.

 

[johnjm22]

Garon, when he was playing for the Avs, stood on his head a few times in games against the Kings, which led us to think he was a great young goalie.

You mean Fiset?

 

[Steve Zissou]

I won't go into a whole Jack Campbell thing as I guess we'd be losing him to Seattle anyway, but can someone please tell me what is gained by keeping him there. To me, he is occupying a roster spot that we could be use to be seeing what we have and more importantly, what we NEED in goal.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Garon, when he was playing for the Avs, stood on his head a few times in games against the Kings, which led us to think he was a great young goalie.

Habs, yeah. I remember that - there was one game in particular we were at (IIRC '03-04) where he shut the Kings out at Staples, and we were thinking, "This guy is awesome!" Whoops (well, he WAS, for that game - it was the rest of the time that was the problem). An aside: didn't the guy the Kings send over the Habs in exchange actually turn into a really good goalie for awhile - Cristobal Huet, yeah?

On-topic: I'll just be post #876 to echo the sentiment that Quick isn't a problem. Heck, is there a better (prospective) mentor in the league for Petersen? The problem right now is Petersen: IMHO his play over the last two months was not acceptable in terms of showing himself to be the unconditional starter on a perirenal cup contender (now obviously, the Kings have a ways to go to reach this status; but once they're there, they need to know the guy they've got won't cost them games). Next season should be telling, one way or the other....

 

[KINGS17]

Habs, yeah. I remember that - there was one game in particular we were at (IIRC '03-04) where he shut the Kings out at Staples, and we were thinking, "This guy is awesome!" Whoops (well, he WAS, for that game - it was the rest of the time that was the problem). An aside: didn't the guy the Kings send over the Habs in exchange actually turn into a really good goalie for awhile - Cristobal Huet, yeah?

On-topic: I'll just be post #876 to echo the sentiment that Quick isn't a problem. Heck, is there a better (prospective) mentor in the league for Petersen? The problem right now is Petersen: IMHO his play over the last two months was not acceptable in terms of showing himself to be the unconditional starter on a perirenal cup contender (now obviously, the Kings have a ways to go to reach this status; but once they're there, they need to know the guy they've got won't cost them games). Next season should be telling, one way or the other....

Sorry, got Fiset and Garon mixed up there for a moment. Both played well against the Kings, and both equally disappointing as Kings.

 

[YP44]

I have no issue with him backing up Petersen again next year.

 

[Gjwrams]

I think some people are forgetting just how good Cal was to start the season. He was quite literally stealing games pretty regularly, and at the very least bailing the team out with timely saves repeatedly.

It did come crashing down with everything else at the end with the rest of the team and that raises questions whether he's 'the guy' or just another 40-game regular NHL starter but imo it's insulting to compare him to guys like Garon and others who couldn't hold down the job in any manner. At worst at this stage in his career he's a 1B. He's not rife with inconsistencies or anything. He's simply "not Quick." And people around here better get used to seeing that with the replacements for our legendary players (i.e. you think people complain about Kopitar, wait till they can get a hold of Byfield. You think Doughty is a problem? Wait till you see Matt Roy as our #1 dman etc).

However if there's a positive it's that he showed me when he's on, he has that sense of timing that JQ always had, the competitiveness to go with a mental calmness.

You're so right. Some folks on here want to jettison the core (Kopitar/Doughty/Brown/Quick) because their departure would somehow speed up the rebuild. Yes, maybe we could have gotten a few more picks or picked a few good pieces and be further along in the rebuild, but chances are we were NOT going to get Hall of Famers backs, and that is what those 4 are in my book. All four of their jerseys will hang in the rafters, so UNLESS they ask to be moved, they should stay here, even if it just for us fans to reminisce about the good old days of 7-8 years ago and not have to buy Lizotte jerseys. Just my opinion.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Sorry, got Fiset and Garon mixed up there for a moment. Both played well against the Kings, and both equally disappointing as Kings.

I think we all have goalie carousel PTSD.

 

[KINGS17]

You're so right. Some folks on here want to jettison the core (Kopitar/Doughty/Brown/Quick) because their departure would somehow speed up the rebuild. Yes, maybe we could have gotten a few more picks or picked a few good pieces and be further along in the rebuild, but chances are we were NOT going to get Hall of Famers backs, and that is what those 4 are in my book. All four of their jerseys will hang in the rafters, so UNLESS they ask to be moved, they should stay here, even if it just for us fans to reminisce about the good old days of 7-8 years ago and not have to buy Lizotte jerseys. Just my opinion.

If only the Kings core ejection system hadn't failed, Lombardi might have been able to save the ship, and rebuild.

 

[Gjwrams]

If only the Kings core ejection system hadn't failed, Lombardi might have been able to save the ship, and rebuild.

Not disagreeing with you, just stating it is hard to move on from 4 team Legends that brought you two cups. DL probably knew after they failed to win with the Lucic trade that the writing was on the wall. How do you tell your fanbase....."sorry gotta rebuild, two years after a cup" It's a no win situation for DL. Brown and Quick were already resigned and Brown was untradeable at that point. They had no goalie at that point, because they gave up Martin Jones in the Lucic deal. Doughty was still a Norris candidate and Kopitar was a Selke candidate and both were fan favorites! Again, just a tough situation for DL to be in.

At this point it's moot. It's done and as fans we just hope that we hit on some of these kids and are ready to compete in 3 years, because I don't think anyone is going to topple the Avalance in the west anytime soon.

Love your takes KINGS17.

 

[KINGS17]

Not disagreeing with you, just stating it is hard to move on from 4 team Legends that brought you two cups. DL probably knew after they failed to win with the Lucic trade that the writing was on the wall. How do you tell your fanbase....."sorry gotta rebuild, two years after a cup" It's a no win situation for DL. Brown and Quick were already resigned and Brown was untradeable at that point. They had no goalie at that point, because they gave up Martin Jones in the Lucic deal. Doughty was still a Norris candidate and Kopitar was a Selke candidate and both were fan favorites! Again, just a tough situation for DL to be in.

At this point it's moot. It's done and as fans we just hope that we hit on some of these kids and are ready to compete in 3 years, because I don't think anyone is going to topple the Avalance in the west anytime soon.

Love your takes KINGS17.

I know how it is with the attachment fans have to genuine core players, and I would not advocate jettisoning all of them, but one or two should have gone.

The only one I can think of that really brought anything back of real value was Muzzin. They waited much too long to pull the trigger on Carter.

I agree with your assessment regarding Colorado. The Kings will not be in their class for at least a few years, might be the same situation with Vegas as well. Edmonton is a mystery, but clearly that team needs some kind of major shakeup.

 

[Yog S'loth]

Let Quick play out the string, back up for a couple seasons, and then ride into the sunset as the best goalie this franchise ever had or will ever have.

Our problem lies more in whomever is in front of him. Petersen is a nice guy and all... but yeah. I get real Fiset vibes from him. He's good enough to be there, but only good enough to be there.

Of course, in the modern NHL, the difference between top tier goaltenders and middle-of-the-pack guys is so razor thin for the most part you can afford to barely care who's in net.

 

[Fishhead]

Let Quick play out the string, back up for a couple seasons, and then ride into the sunset as the best goalie this franchise ever had or will ever have.

Our problem lies more in whomever is in front of him. Petersen is a nice guy and all... but yeah. I get real Fiset vibes from him. He's good enough to be there, but only good enough to be there.

Of course, in the modern NHL, the difference between top tier goaltenders and middle-of-the-pack guys is so razor thin for the most part you can afford to barely care who's in net.

Truth, I think Petersen is every bit as good as a guy like Binnington. Hoping he develops that game-changing save ability. When Quick went down and flopped you knew that puck wasn't getting by him.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Jack Campbell so far this postseason - 1.01 GAA, .965 SV%, 1 shutout. This season - 17 wins in 22 games. 2.15 GAA. .921 SV%. 2 shutouts. You can bet your ass Quick taught him a ton, pushed him to take another level, helped his confidence, and mentored him.

 

[killermiller]

Cal Petersen's first real "full" season where he's top 25 in save percentage for goalies with 14 games or more and most Kings fans are already over him cause of a below average end to the season, talking about how we need a new goalie for the future.

Maybe it's just me but i'd like to see him get a bit more time to prove himself, maybe with the whole team not collectively collapsing in the last part of the season before we throw another top goalie out the window.

 

[YP44]

Cal Petersen's first real "full" season where he's top 25 in save percentage for goalies with 14 games or more and most Kings fans are already over him cause of a below average end to the season, talking about how we need a new goalie for the future.

Maybe it's just me but i'd like to see him get a bit more time to prove himself, maybe with the whole team not collectively collapsing in the last part of the season before we throw another top goalie out the window.

I think he is the goalie for the next 5 years for sure. And I am very happy to have him as the Kings #1. I do think it is good to look at adding a guy in the prospect pool who could hopefully push Petersen in 5 years though.

 

[YP44]

Big question for me on Petersen is does LA Re-sign him this offseason and what does that look like?

I would gladly go 4x$4M...what does Cal want.

 

[Kudelski37]

Big question for me on Petersen is does LA Re-sign him this offseason and what does that look like?

I would gladly go 4x$4M...what does Cal want.

The Kings gain nothing by extending him this summer and lose a lot if he plays like he did in the second half of the season. Wait until December to see how he starts at least before extending him.

 

[YP44]

The Kings gain nothing by extending him this summer and lose a lot if he plays like he did in the second half of the season. Wait until December to see how he starts at least before extending him.

if he maintains a top 15 save percentage and the cap projection goes up after next year they could pay more. Signing him this year to an extension would lock him up and take away a distraction and take advantage of a flat cap.

I am pro extension this year.

 

[Fishhead]

if he maintains a top 15 save percentage and the cap projection goes up after next year they could pay more. Signing him this year to an extension would lock him up and take away a distraction and take advantage of a flat cap.

I am pro extension this year.

For sure. Looking at guys with 10 or more games this year he was 26th in sv%. It’s always a risk, but I do expect him to get better. I don’t see him getting any cheaper than he is right now.

I don’t see much of an alternative solution right now anyways. If they are going to move for a starting goalie, it doesn’t make much sense to do it next year anyways, that would be a move for a couple years down the road when the team is getting better. I’d sign Cal now and spend an expendable asset on an early 20’s goalie they think might fit the bill down the road. If a bigger name goalie is brought in, you have Cal to platoon/backup for a season or two before his deal runs out. Same if the younger guy pans out and pushes his way in.

I was high on some of our younger tenders, but they seem to be stagnating. It’s something Blake would be wise to address to give the team more options in the future.

 

[Kudelski37]

if he maintains a top 15 save percentage and the cap projection goes up after next year they could pay more. Signing him this year to an extension would lock him up and take away a distraction and take advantage of a flat cap.

I am pro extension this year.

Bettman said in March the cap was likely to remain flat throughout the CBA extension so the Kings can take advantage of a flat cap this summer, fall or winter.

 

[kovacro]

Jack Campbell so far this postseason - 1.01 GAA, .965 SV%, 1 shutout. This season - 17 wins in 22 games. 2.15 GAA. .921 SV%. 2 shutouts. You can bet your ass Quick taught him a ton, pushed him to take another level, helped his confidence, and mentored him.

That and the goalie whisperer Dusty Imoo.

 

[Rorschach]

I have a feeling if you put a good defensive team in front of Quick, like say LVK, he starts putting up good numbers.