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ADA IS GOOD AT HOCKEY

Yeah that is not really fancy stats, to explain it better, it basically means Kreider is very hard to replace and is very valuable to the team, and Staal....well just leave it at that. Lol . Only surprise was how low Howden was, so hopefully he can improve.

To compare, here is the best team in the league....

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Honestly, these stats kind of are pretty fancy.

For starters, it's an index, which means to apply a holistic score to a variety of data. The validity of an index goes only so far as what goes into it, the equation used to arrive at it, and whether or not those ingredients are properly weighed.

Indexes are easier to do in baseball (where WAR originated) because we can easily weigh baseball plays based on the number of bases received. For example, a homerun is objectively more valuable than a triple. What deserves to be weighed more, let's say, on a goal? The defensive play that got you the puck? The transition pass? The zone entry? The assist? The shot itself? The screen (if any)? Nobody knows.

Baseball also has a level of independence as a non-passing sport that hockey does not. It's a team sport, and you certainly rely on teammates, but you can still accrue results as an individual. If a guy hits a homerun, he would have hit that homerun whether it was part of a 10-run rally, or if his teammates are dead. A homerun is a homerun. On the other hand, a goal is not a goal. A goal is a shot, a pass, an entry, a check, a cycle, a transition, a defensive play, a save, a penalty.

People often argue that hockey has more variables. I don't think that's it. Hockey plays are simply harder to weigh into an index than baseball plays.

In short, WAR is nice in hockey and I think there's some merit to it, but it doesn't lend itself to being an index sport. It lends itself to being a sport where you look at many different sets of data.

And yes, it's fancy.
 
For all the **** Pionk gets I thought he made a couple of good plays yesterday that might've prevented goals. Unfortunately for him once the Rangers fanbase designates you as the whipping boy you're doomed no matter what you do

I've grown more wary of him over time, but let's not forget that he's still pretty damn young. If we can trade him for something useful I'm all for it, but I wouldn't discard him for nothing just yet

No truer words were ever written in the history of mankind. Just ask Pionk, Stall, Girardi, Vesey, Shatty, etc.
 
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Pionk is what he is. Paying Brady Skjei $5.25M AAV for the next five seasons is what concerns me.
I am less concerned about his play, and even though its not my money, is about a million AAV too rich for me. I liked the idea of locking him up at a young age and all, but feel they jumpex the gun and were quite in a hurry to cover the loss of McD. Kind of screwed up thinking, in that if things went awry, that would be salt on the wound. But, I am not worried.....do I sound worried?
 
Shattenkirk has been a big bust. He is terrible. 7/10-8/10 people here thought Shattenkirk was going to transform the Rangers and immediately make them a Cup favorite. He was the Rangers answer on the right side. A top 4 of McDonagh, Shattenkirk, Skjei and Smith was going to rival Nashville's top 4 D.

Shattenkirk is a bottom pair D/power play specialist. Barry Trotz said the Caps thought Shattenkirk was a 1-2(pair D)but he is not that player. He helped the Caps on the PP. That's what Shattenkirk is. Shattenkirk got upset at those comments and Trotz apologized for hurting his feelings.

Shattenkirk isn't even a 1st unit PP D on the Rangers. Quinn has played 5 forwards on the 1st unit PP and now he is playing DeAngelo on the 1st unit.

The only saving grace is Shattenkirk has only two years remaining on his contract. A very long two years remaining.

His skating isn't great. He has two goals. Gorton paid nearly $27M for a 5th/6th D who plays on the 2nd unit PP. Priceless.

People like to rag on Pionk to deflect how bad Shattenkirk is playing. The people who despise Pionk and constantly ***** about him are the biggest Shattenkirk fans.

Pionk isn't great. He has his issues.

Shattenkirk is the bigger problem.

Pionk could improve and get better.

Kevin ****tenkirk. ****ty. Not Shatty.

They can't blame Vigneault now. Quinn has a long standing relationship with the player. Look at how Quinn uses him.

The same people are now pushing Panarin. No thank you. We saw how Shattenkirk worked out. He is only 28 with many more quality seasons left. Blah. Blah.
Been saying that for the longest, and just for the sake of argument......what exactly was the purpose of signing Shatty and then NOT giving the money to someone that deserved it a helluva lot more than Shatty? Hmmmm. But don't vet me wrong, signing McD would have made it twice as bad for twice as long.
 
I've commented about Justin St. Pierre before---anytime he is part of the officiating crew I expect it will be a **** show that night. He's a terrible referee. In this case they put the blame on the linesman and maybe the linesman did a lot as far as making the call but you would think that at least one of the refs would have had a really good look at it since the play, three players and the puck was right there and yet it's like they needed the linesman to tell them what happened.

We hear all the time what a difficult job it is--but really us fans we watch the play. Is it too much to expect the referees to do the same?
Isn't this the dude that Pittsburgh is like 79-2-4 under? :laugh:
 
At least they admitted they F'd up. Doesn't help the Rangers now though.
Is this the new NHL? Stands for
NOT HALFWAY LEGIT? Did Bettman send out a memo to his refs to "admit it" when they made a mistake or had a bad 2 periods? This has been preposterous lately.
The league was better with 1 ref, (at least they had a legit excuse) and no challenges. (Refs must think if they're mistake is egregious enough, Toronto will fix it) or they simply apologize.
But with 2 refs......they're seeing things that aren't there......sometimes 1 sees it one way, the other sees it another way. Then they waste time discussing it. They don't "stand by and have confidence in their calls......because they have a back-up.
The officiating gets worse by the year. Are they still holding other jobs? If so, pay them more, force them to quit other jobs (so they can get more sleep).....oh yeah, give them good health care and more importantly vision care, so they can be more sure that they indeed are seeing what they think they're seeing.
 
No truer words were ever written in the history of mankind. Just ask Pionk, Stall, Girardi, Vesey, Shatty, etc.
Truer words yes. But, I am still baffled at after all these years......somehow Marc's surname continues to be spelled incorrectly. Even has 3 brothers with the same spelling. Sorry man, i guess I won't be one of your faves here. Lol. Please forgive me.....I am crazy.
 
Truer words yes. But, I am still baffled at after all these years......somehow Marc's surname continues to be spelled incorrectly. Even has 3 brothers with the same spelling. Sorry man, i guess I won't be one of your faves here. Lol. Please forgive me.....I am crazy.
It's autocorrect. It's also why stepan becomes Stephan so often.
 
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