Post-Game Talk: The Powerhouse @ Stars - 8:30 EST

[Lays]

As subpar as Pionk has been this year he gets more **** than Shattenkirk. I just don't get it

Because he’s worse

 

[Kovalev27]

Goodbye Georgie.

I’m not so sure. It’s not going to be that easy imo

 

[nyrage]

On a scale of 1-10, that game was a 0 in entertainment value.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The next 4 games will be critical for determining where they end up in the standings.

Rangers roll into Detroit for a matchup of the 2 longest losing streaks in the league (5 for NYR, 8 for DET), Detroit is due and hopefully they notch a W.

They get NJ on the tail end of B2B's (this should be a W) before going on the road for 4 (EDM, VAN, CGY, MIN.)

They can just as easily go 4-0 as they could go 1-3. Hopefully they go cold right about now.

 

[nyr__1994]

He can also make an outlet pass unlike Pionk

I can't remember how many times I saw Hajek make a cross ice pass to Pionk, and he immediately just chucked it up the wall. Had no idea where to go with the puck, not even back to his D partner. Night and Day from Tony D, who always seems to know where everyone is on the ice and where to go with the puck before he gets it. Pionk is a try hard player that always looks like he is doing more than he actually is on the ice.

 

[Leonardo87]

On a scale of 1-10, that game was a 0 in entertainment value.

 

[will1066]

I think Pionk is the whipping boy right now because people see very little redeeming qualities with his game. Hajek has played two NHL games and has demonstrated more redeeming qualities than Pionk has, aside from his nice stretch when he had the golden stick and couldn't do anything wrong. He seems like a nice kid. But is he a fit for NHL play?

 

[RangerLifer]

Because he’s worse

Remember that Pionk is a rookie D man. His game is leveling off and his development is stalled at the moment. I think in time he'll be fine with a little patience. Remember, this IS a rebuild. Our D is young.

 

[RangerLifer]

I think Pionk is the whipping boy right now because people see very little redeeming qualities with his game. Hajek has played two NHL games and has demonstrated more redeeming qualities than Pionk has, aside from his nice stretch when he had the golden stick and couldn't do anything wrong. He seems like a nice kid. But is he a fit for NHL play?

Hajek will have his moments too.

 

[Kovalev27]

I can't remember how many times I saw Hajek make a cross ice pass to Pionk, and he immediately just chucked it up the wall. Had no idea where to go with the puck, not even back to his D partner. Night and Day from Tony D, who always seems to know where everyone is on the ice and where to go with the puck before he gets it. Pionk is a try hard player that always looks like he is doing more than he actually is on the ice.

You nailed it and for whatever reason our coaches fall in love with guys like that. Try hards over talent been like this for years and years.

 

[CHGoalie27]

I don't like losing like this. The refs took our BEST player out of the game and then the Skeji phantom call. They literally took a good contest and turned it into a one sided game, with no hope for the Rangers.......despite them playing a hard fought game.

Goos result, but not this way. Not fair to those players that busted their ass to win.

Thought Skeji had an absolutely awesome game.....seemed very confident and looked more like the kid prior to his contract. Very, very good sign for him and the Rangers.
Hayek was very good again......wow, someday Tampa will regret trading him when he becomes McD "light" while McD is regressing.
What can u say about Georgiev? He has been great. We are so spoiled with our goaltending throughout the years. I call it the Giacomin/Villemure tradition.

We had like a couple crap years between 35 and 30 and that's all

 

[aufheben]

Pionk is what he is. Paying Brady Skjei $5.25M AAV for the next five seasons is what concerns me.

 

[bl02]

Remember that Pionk is a rookie D man. His game is leveling off and his development is stalled at the moment. I think in time he'll be fine with a little patience. Remember, this IS a rebuild. Our D is young.

Also we have to factor in shatty makes much more money and is older. If I had to put money on it I would say he is what he is at this point and unfortunately it’s not very good

 

[RangerBoy]

Shattenkirk has been a big bust. He is terrible. 7/10-8/10 people here thought Shattenkirk was going to transform the Rangers and immediately make them a Cup favorite. He was the Rangers answer on the right side. A top 4 of McDonagh, Shattenkirk, Skjei and Smith was going to rival Nashville's top 4 D.

Shattenkirk is a bottom pair D/power play specialist. Barry Trotz said the Caps thought Shattenkirk was a 1-2(pair D)but he is not that player. He helped the Caps on the PP. That's what Shattenkirk is. Shattenkirk got upset at those comments and Trotz apologized for hurting his feelings.

Shattenkirk isn't even a 1st unit PP D on the Rangers. Quinn has played 5 forwards on the 1st unit PP and now he is playing DeAngelo on the 1st unit.

The only saving grace is Shattenkirk has only two years remaining on his contract. A very long two years remaining.

His skating isn't great. He has two goals. Gorton paid nearly $27M for a 5th/6th D who plays on the 2nd unit PP. Priceless.

People like to rag on Pionk to deflect how bad Shattenkirk is playing. The people who despise Pionk and constantly bitch about him are the biggest Shattenkirk fans.

Pionk isn't great. He has his issues.

Shattenkirk is the bigger problem.

Pionk could improve and get better.

Kevin Shittenkirk. Shitty. Not Shatty.

They can't blame Vigneault now. Quinn has a long standing relationship with the player. Look at how Quinn uses him.

The same people are now pushing Panarin. No thank you. We saw how Shattenkirk worked out. He is only 28 with many more quality seasons left. Blah. Blah.

 

[Irishguy42]

 

[aufheben]

Shattenkirk is another player where I don’t see what the big issue is, other than it being another example of a Rangers free agent splash. He has two years left. I actually think he’s been solid this year, but either way.

Skjei just has rocks for brains. Earlier in the season I was hopeful that playing with DeAngelo would get him going and manifest in some form of even minor development, but that didn’t last. Is there anything he’s better at now than he was during his rookie season?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Remember that Pionk is a rookie D man. His game is leveling off and his development is stalled at the moment. I think in time he'll be fine with a little patience. Remember, this IS a rebuild. Our D is young.

He hasn't improved at all this year.

Everything he struggled with in October he still struggles with now. I'm not looking for him to be a finished product, but I do expect some sort of improvement with the amount of ice hes getting.

Hajek, who by all accounts really struggled in the A this year, has looked so much better than him. Its not a huge sample size, but all of the things that Pionk struggles with, Hajek doesn't - at the very least I see a player who can play in this league and be a positive contributor on a winning team in some capacity. Pionk looks over matched in this league.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Shattenkirk is another player where I don’t see what the big issue is, other than it being another example of a Rangers free agent splash. He has two years left. I actually think he’s been solid this year, but either way.

Skjei just has rocks for brains. Earlier in the season I was hopeful that playing with DeAngelo would get him going and manifest in some form of even minor development, but that didn’t last. Is there anything he’s better at now than he was during his rookie season?

Not for noting, but Skjei has been pretty good for the last 25 games.

 

[nevesis]

 

[duhmetreE]

Kevin ****tenkirk. ****ty. Not Shatty.

They can't blame Vigneault now. Quinn has a long standing relationship with the player. Look at how Quinn uses him.

The same people are now pushing Panarin. No thank you. We saw how Shattenkirk worked out. He is only 28 with many more quality seasons left. Blah. Blah.

Shattenkirk isnt a bust. He's exactly what he's been or relatively close. A #6 that can PPQB. I despised the signing, knew what it would be.

Panarin is a stud. Shattenkirk was just a name. They're not even close

 

[Leonardo87]

At least they admitted they F'd up. Doesn't help the Rangers now though.

 

[romba]

Didn't see 3rd but a bad 5 min major in a 1 goal game in the 3rd when a team is trying to mount a comeback is huge hill to overcome. Sucks, but what can you do. At least Dallas didn't score to mess up AG's stats.

 

[Irishguy42]

At least they admitted they F'd up. Doesn't help the Rangers now though.

Just like in 2014... :/

 

[Larrybiv]

Remember that Pionk is a rookie D man. His game is leveling off and his development is stalled at the moment. I think in time he'll be fine with a little patience. Remember, this IS a rebuild. Our D is young.

That is true. Tony has been in the league on&off for 3 years. Neal hasn't. No offense to Marc, but he has been saddled with him......Marc is the epitome of a stay at home defenseman. Neal has had waaaay too much responsibility, and obviously it has been weighing on him and hurting his game, because he is over worked. Its simply too much for him, right now. I would put him 3rd pair, and really cut down on his minutes. He has had too much, too fast.

If Shatty wasn't still recovering early, (giving him the benefit of the doubt) and "IF" he was doing what he was paid big money to do.......this wouldn't be such an issue. Shatty would be on 2nd pair, Pionk on 3rd. Simple. Problem REALLY WAS that we didn't have bonafide 1st pairing players.......we were just "hoping" we did. I still feel Pionk has done admirably well, under the circumstances that he should never have been dealing with to begin with. Just my opinion.

 

[aufheben]

Not for noting, but Skjei has been pretty good for the last 25 games.

I still find myself frequently cursing his name—missed opportunities, passes slightly late and/or off-target—but maybe it’s just out of habit; seems to opt for the more difficult route in most situations.

He looked, to me, great for a stretch earlier in the season when he and DeAngelo were a pairing. I haven’t seen much of that since, but that’s just me.