Post-Game Talk: The Powerhouse at Vegas | 01/08/19 - 10PM - MSG PLUS

[Ori]

We miss the net too often with poor shoot accuracy and it directly cost us a goal against last morning vs Vegas in a counter attack.
And Zucc is not the problem with this team - it is our horrific defense with Brady Skjei predicament concerning his recent contract signing, and it happen sometimes with US & Canada players they relax after a signing a big contract and don`t give 100% effort in NHL gamess. And our veteran defenders are not playing through their strength which is based on our current coaching staff and management decisions. In addition our young talents Howden, Chytil completely stop producing while Lias was sent down to Wolfpack earlier - and it`s part of player development staff issue with connection with the current coach staff.

It`s all hard work and 1 v 1 battles it seems, no finesse, no high skill plays, no creativity and they don`t use our most creative players and use them to their strength and that much is obvious like DeAngelo has a great first pass, but we seldom see it or benched. Zucc is really fast with good passes, but it seldom happen - it`s something seriously wrong with the current system. It`s great for the tank and Huges, but not positive for our youth development to have some fun out there while playing hockey. It`s so tedious to watch Rangers this season so they should consider a completely new coaching staff in near future - it was a good experiment and it did not work out.

 

[Ola]

Is McQuaid alright after this punch?

It looked scary... At the 30 sec mark at Adam McQuaid vs. Ryan Reaves, January 08, 2019 - New York Rangers vs. Vegas Golden Knights

 

[JHS]

The only evidence that this is a “tank is a bad learning environment” is refusal to admit some of these prospects were unbelievably and unbearingly over rated.

Superstars somehow survive. Superstars cutting their teeth on the wastebins of the league is as old as the draft itself, and those guys made it.

This times 1000. I’ve said from the start of the season that I actually don’t think more than 4 or 5 of these active roster players will be here for any substantial amount of time. My guess is you’ll see, Mica, Krieder, Brady, Fast and maybe, Howden, maybe Chytil and that’s it.

Hank lasts as long as he wants but I don’t consider him part of the rebuild.

The rest of this roster is such a trash heap tat I literally don’t care of their time is being wasted. They have absolutely no chance of being long term solutions.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Is McQuaid alright after this punch?
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It looked scary... At the 30 sec mark at Adam McQuaid vs. Ryan Reaves, January 08, 2019 - New York Rangers vs. Vegas Golden Knights

He only took two short shifts after that. Although the Rangers were trying to catch up in the 3rd so giving more TOI to 22 and 77 would make sense.

 

[ElLeetch]

Only two thoughts after this one:

1) I'm ok losing 4-2 or 4-3. not blown out, and we net a few to get our guys get points. I dont like losing 2-0 or 7-1.

2) Shit boys, we might actually be on track for a top-2 pick this summer.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

They played well last night. MAF played better. It could have been easily a 3-3 game or 4-2 in favor of the Rangers.

For next year they need to add some low cost and low maintenance PKers especially if Hayes and Fast are dealt. Hagelin on a very cheap deal for a reunion if he's up for it?

I don't think this environment will impact the kids that much. Howden's interview; he didn't seem like a kid down on his luck, he seemed to be soaking it all up. These kids will learn and improve. The locker room will also be very different come Feb 26th as well as around Labor Day when many of these guys start informally skating. No more mopey Zuc. Lundqvist himself may eventually become more of a background guy.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We miss the net too often with poor shoot accuracy and it directly cost us a goal against last morning vs Vegas in a counter attack.
And Zucc is not the problem with this team - it is our horrific defense with Brady Skjei predicament concerning his recent contract signing, and it happen sometimes with US & Canada players they relax after a signing a big contract and don`t give 100% effort in NHL gamess. And our veteran defenders are not playing through their strength which is based on our current coaching staff and management decisions. In addition our young talents Howden, Chytil completely stop producing while Lias was sent down to Wolfpack earlier - and it`s part of player development staff issue with connection with the current coach staff.

It`s all hard work and 1 v 1 battles it seems, no finesse, no high skill plays, no creativity and they don`t use our most creative players and use them to their strength and that much is obvious like DeAngelo has a great first pass, but we seldom see it or benched. Zucc is really fast with good passes, but it seldom happen - it`s something seriously wrong with the current system. It`s great for the tank and Huges, but not positive for our youth development to have some fun out there while playing hockey. It`s so tedious to watch Rangers this season so they should consider a completely new coaching staff in near future - it was a good experiment and it did not work out.

The team sucked last year, sold off a bunch of pieces, didn’t do anything to improve and people are surprised/upset that they’re still bad.

 

[leetch99]

Normally, I would say leave Reaves alone and let his dumb ass put us on the powerplay, but then we would be on the powerplay.

Yeah...then Shattenkirk be on ....sad but a lot like a dog chasing it's tail the whole scenario LOL...

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

The team sucked last year, sold off a bunch of pieces, didn’t do anything to improve and people are surprised/upset that they’re still bad.

I think people are more upset that a lot of players got worse and the prospects look underwhelming(not accounting for age and what not).

People expected Chytil to light the world on fire, we clearly over hyped him on the board.
Lias is still in the AHL despite being "the most NHL ready prospect in the draft"
Buch doesn't seem to be taking the next step in his development.
Zucc has lost a step
Shattenkirk looks like hot garbage
Smith is still garbage
Both the dman adds are non-factors taking time away from ADA
and i'm sure some people thought hajek would make the team this year

 

[will1066]

Vegas might be over.

But Quinn will keep playing roulette with the defense lineup.

ADA out
Claesson in next game

Shattenkirk did enough last night to not get taken out for Smith next game.

Bet on it.

 

[will1066]

I think people are more upset that a lot of players got worse and the prospects look underwhelming(not accounting for age and what not).

People expected Chytil to light the world on fire, we clearly over hyped him on the board.
Lias is still in the AHL despite being "the most NHL ready prospect in the draft"
Buch doesn't seem to be taking the next step in his development.
Zucc has lost a step
Shattenkirk looks like hot garbage
Smith is still garbage
Both the dman adds are non-factors taking time away from ADA
and i'm sure some people thought hajek would make the team this year

Last night, someone said that Buch doesn't seem to be in the team's future. I think I agree. He's still young but starting to get into that territory where he's got that last meeting scheduled with the high school guidance counselor and needs to figure if he's going to try and be a good hockey player or see the real danger of becoming a journeyman.

 

[will1066]

Last night, someone said that Buch doesn't seem to be in the team's future. I think I agree. He's still young but starting to get into that territory where he's got that last meeting scheduled with the high school guidance counselor and needs to figure if he's going to try and be a good hockey player or see the real danger of becoming a journeyman.

Then, with our luck, we'll probably see the team move him and his career explode elsewhere.

 

[effen]

The team sucked last year, sold off a bunch of pieces, didn’t do anything to improve and people are surprised/upset that they’re still bad.

To add: I think Quinn is a very very good coach... a very good assistant coach. Or a good head coach IF he has assistants who are a mile better at their specialties than he is.

The breakouts, rushes, and especially cycling are amateur level. You watch the Rangers for two games and you see everything they have gameplan wise. This last game for the first time in about 25 games they added a few small diagonal outlets and they worked ~every time, but were still used practically never.

His defensive zone "system" is straight Torts-era 5 men in the slot packing. They STILL constantly lose their man in front of the net, constantly have unguarded point men that we all thought was an AV-only problem. It's clearly a roster full-of-slow-footed-forwards problem. Watch how other teams mark the NYR pointmen (CLOSE) and how it chokes and pressures them, watch how the NYR mark other teams pointmen (not at all) and see how it makes for endless chasing shifts.

Without a talent advantage they need a schematic advantage and they're bush-league in all 3 zones right now.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

To add: I think Quinn is a very very good coach... a very good assistant coach. Or a good head coach IF he has assistants who are a mile better at their specialties than he is.

The breakouts, rushes, and especially cycling are amateur level. You watch the Rangers for two games and you see everything they have gameplan wise. This last game for the first time in about 25 games they added a few small diagonal outlets and they worked ~every time, but were still used practically never.

His defensive zone "system" is straight Torts-era 5 men in the slot packing. They STILL constantly lose their man in front of the net, constantly have unguarded point men that we all thought was an AV-only problem. It's clearly a roster full-of-slow-footed-forwards problem. Watch how other teams mark the NYR pointmen (CLOSE) and how it chokes and pressures them, watch how the NYR mark other teams pointmen (not at all) and see how it makes for endless chasing shifts.

Without a talent advantage they need a schematic advantage and they're bush-league in all 3 zones right now.

You hit the nail on the head when you said that they’re slow, they are, which is really why they spend so much time chasing.

But a lot of those things look that bad because of the players we have. This roster, player for player, is probably the least talented one in the league.

 

[will1066]

To add: I think Quinn is a very very good coach... a very good assistant coach. Or a good head coach IF he has assistants who are a mile better at their specialties than he is.

The breakouts, rushes, and especially cycling are amateur level. You watch the Rangers for two games and you see everything they have gameplan wise. This last game for the first time in about 25 games they added a few small diagonal outlets and they worked ~every time, but were still used practically never.

His defensive zone "system" is straight Torts-era 5 men in the slot packing. They STILL constantly lose their man in front of the net, constantly have unguarded point men that we all thought was an AV-only problem. It's clearly a roster full-of-slow-footed-forwards problem. Watch how other teams mark the NYR pointmen (CLOSE) and how it chokes and pressures them, watch how the NYR mark other teams pointmen (not at all) and see how it makes for endless chasing shifts.

Without a talent advantage they need a schematic advantage and they're bush-league in all 3 zones right now.

The personnel doesn't have the speed and skill to execute many of the things pointed out. A lot of those diagnoal outlets are stretch passes. When we were at AV peak levels, we made stretch passes look easy. But because most of the league hadn't caught up to the uptempo style, which is now league-wide, and because we had better personnel.

The only one who can really make that stretch pass right now is ADA. But then someone at forward has to get open to receive one.

 

[effen]

You hit the nail on the head when you said that they’re slow, they are, which is really why they spend so much time chasing.

But a lot of those things look that bad because of the players we have. This roster, player for player, is probably the least talented one in the league.

I don't even think talent matters inasmuch as literal physical presence to take away time and space in the defensive zone. I think if you took away 10% of everyones "skill" and made them 10% more explosive skating they'd be dramatically better. We don't have a single forward that has a lightning first step. Even Kreider.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't even think talent matters inasmuch as literal physical presence to take away time and space in the defensive zone. I think if you took away 10% of everyones "skill" and made them 10% more explosive skating they'd be dramatically better. We don't have a single forward that has a lightning first step. Even Kreider.

Kreiders first step is excellent, dunno what you’re seeing there.

But even if that’s your chief complaint, that isn’t something that is immediately coach able.

 

[effen]

The personnel doesn't have the speed and skill to execute many of the things pointed out. A lot of those diagnoal outlets are stretch passes. When we were at AV peak levels, we made stretch passes look easy. But because most of the league hadn't caught up to the uptempo style, which is now league-wide, and because we had better personnel.

The only one who can really make that stretch pass right now is ADA. But then someone at forward has to get open to receive one.

Nah, it was short diagonals. 10 feet max. In particular there was one where 2 forwards came back for the D in an offset-V, two quick diagonal passes later they carried the puck in with speed easy as pie.

That brings up another skating issue too, where everyone is at different speeds other than Mika and Kreider, who unsurprisingly are the only two guys who look like they have any offensive chemistry with each other. IDK how to better describe it than that, but it makes the team look ultra disjointed and lost.

 

[Good Intentions]

A little late to the party on this, but McQuaid took two shots that I don’t understand. Yes it’s a fight, but Reaves swung to end him. Don’t know if there’s a background between the two, I think it was unnecessary

 

[will1066]

Nah, it was short diagonals. 10 feet max. In particular there was one where 2 forwards came back for the D in an offset-V, two quick diagonal passes later they carried the puck in with speed easy as pie.

That brings up another skating issue too, where everyone is at different speeds other than Mika and Kreider, who unsurprisingly are the only two guys who look like they have any offensive chemistry with each other. IDK how to better describe it than that, but it makes the team look ultra disjointed and lost.

Most of the time the forwards are expending their energy defending and working the boards because as a team our d-zone play isn't good enough. It's a chicken-and-egg thing. If the D played better, then there's less pressure on the F. If the F were more skilled and not running around, then the D would feel less heat. Most of the time they're not in position for a good, clean breakoout. Unless the other team peels off for a line change after we finally win the puck back after being pinned in the zone for an extended time.

 

[effen]

Kreiders first step is excellent, dunno what you’re seeing there.

But even if that’s your chief complaint, that isn’t something that is immediately coach able.

He only uncorks it for an odd-man opportunities. Though at some point you get into Ron Wilson level coaching of just screaming SKATE SKATE SKATE at your guys, I know its not the be all and end all.

 

[effen]

Most of the time the forwards are expending their energy defending and working the boards because as a team our d-zone play isn't good enough. It's a chicken-and-egg thing. If the D played better, then there's less pressure on the F. If the F were more skilled and not running around, then the D would feel less heat. Most of the time they're not in position for a good, clean breakoout. Unless the other team peels off for a line change after we finally win the puck back after being pinned in the zone for an extended time.

I think a lot of ills go away if the wings collapse less (possible) and guys take a hit to move the puck properly instead of shying away from contact to "maintain possession" and circle back and just eventually get hemmed in or ice it (probably less possible with the current group but a f***ing epidemic).

 

[Edge]

A little late to the party on this, but McQuaid took two shots that I don’t understand. Yes it’s a fight, but Reaves swung to end him. Don’t know if there’s a background between the two, I think it was unnecessary

Reaves fights all out.

He's the best fighter in the NHL and it's really not even close.

Though I do wonder how he would've fared against someone like Laraque, or even someone like Kocur or Twist who you do not want to fight an open style with.

It's so hard to judge a lot of today's top heavyweights because of how the sport's changed. So some guys who get recognition, would not have been top guys in certain eras (Lucic). Other guys, like Reaves, would've been dangerous in any era, but may have struggled against guys who really had the fighting down to a science, or in an era when there was more than 1 or 2 guys in the entire league who gave you legitimate concerns about your health and well-being.

But in terms of how he punches, it's really nothing new. We've just become so conditioned to not see it anymore because we don't have the Twists, Kocurs, etc. like we used to.

 

[effen]

Reaves fights all out.

He's the best fighter in the NHL and it's really not even close.

Though I do wonder how he would've fared against someone like Laraque, or even someone like Kocur or Twist who you do not want to fight an open style with.

It's so hard to judge a lot of today's top heavyweights because of how the sport's changed. So some guys who get recognition, would not have been top guys in certain eras (Lucic). Other guys, like Reaves, would've been dangerous in any era, but may have struggled against guys who really had the fighting down to a science, or in an era when there was more than 1 or 2 guys in the entire league who gave you legitimate concerns about your health and well-being.

But in terms of how he punches, it's really nothing new. We've just become so conditioned to not see it anymore because we don't have the Twists, Kocurs, etc. like we used to.

Darren Langdon would be my pick for contrasting styles.

 

[will1066]

I think a lot of ills go away if the wings collapse less (possible) and guys take a hit to move the puck properly instead of shying away from contact to "maintain possession" and circle back and just eventually get hemmed in or ice it (probably less possible with the current group but a ****ing epidemic).

The key, to me, is along the boards and the 50/50 board battles in our own zone. The forward wins the puck, moves it back to the D quickly, the other team peels off or chases the D with the puck. The D with the puck either reverses to the other D or decides to go up ice. Then it's the job of the F to work themselves open. One long stretch pass or a quick chip to an F along the wall, who then moves it up ice and you're out.