Post-Game Talk: The Powerhouse at Arizona | 01/06/19 - 4PM - MSG

[TheTakedown]

For sure. They'll need some luck to get those guys but if the FO sticks to their guns, they'll be in position to do just that.

I know JG had expressed that he didn't want to ice a "skeleton squad" this year but after the deadline, we're going to be doing that.

If the summer goes with out them making any significant changes, well where does that leave us for next year?

That was just his way of saying he wouldn't stand for intentional tanking

 

[apoptygma]

No, it isn't. That tank is from WW I, not WW II

Nah its a Ratte land cruicer compared to what looks like an Näshorn self proppeled assault gun. Even the german military leaders of the time thought it was insane just to think about stuff like that at that time, but the man with the mustache liked it the idea a lot.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nah its a Ratte land cruicer compared to what looks like an Näshorn self proppeled assault gun. Even the german military leaders of the time thought it was insane just to think about stuff like that at that time, but the man with the mustache liked it the idea a lot.

They better update the emblem on the front then, because it has the thinner outline used pre-1920

 

[apoptygma]

They better update the emblem on the front then, because it has the thinner outline used pre-1920

Yeah, its from some kind of History Channel or Discovery show (cant remember wich).

 

[Larrybiv]

Agree to disagree regarding his iq. If yr going by the wjc I'd say it was more about having a few days to learn who you're playing with and then having him get hurt in the first game....him getting hurt in the first game is really the red flag u should be focusing on...and it's a legit concern...he's small.

I am very concerned with that. I mean, something is telling me that "we really might get lucky with this lottery" and get him. Yeah, i know pctgs. say no, but we are "due" for something called a little luck. With that said......shouldn't drafting him and then sustaining a career ending injury just "fit in" with some of the "bad luck" that this organization has had over the years?
Also, we would have to see if Craig Mactavish will come out of retirement to protect him........oh wait, that's why we drafted Dylan McIlrath for, so we don't need Craig.

 

[Larrybiv]

I've got to say, this latest run is completely unwatchable. This is coming from a fan who considers Ranger games to be appointment television and, aside from the West Coast games, practically never misses a game. I’m incredibly disappointed in the Rangers organization, not for rebuilding but because the product on the ice now is so beyond deplorable and filled with players that are impossible to root for. I’d challenge every member on this board to name players that they truly feel compelled to root for... did you come up with more than 3???

I could go on and on singling out specific guys but what’s the point??? Who are we rebuilding around??? What is there to root for??? It’s honestly sad— this is an absolute lost year filled with a roster that, outside of Mica, Hayes, Kreider and Hank, is filled with players ranging from marginal NHL talent to seriously abysmal no talent or purpose players. Why are guys like Cody, McQuaid, or Stall even on the roster?!?! The Rangers really want to develop 30 something journeymen( Stall is not a journeyman)?!?!?

This is an original 6 team that has had virtually no success for most of its history and now is an absolute travesty to the fan base and the league. I don’t see any clear direction for the rebuild, I see guys being mismanaged, an organization that is devoid of talent who’s farm system is a trash heap, and absolutely no future with most of the current roster. What that means to me is, in order for any of this to turn around, so much has to go right that I simply don’t get how anyone is optimistic about the future. The current Rangers show that it is so hard to get younger talent to develop well in this organization—it’s basically 50/50–(Kreider and maybe Hayes developed well, Vesey and Buch and Skjei have not) so to me, that leaves me rooting for hope or a coin flip! None of the rookies has shown any consistent ability and the upside for many of these guys looks severely limited. Several of our no longer rookies but not yet veterans, (Vesey, Buch, Skjei) have all either regressed or peaked far below an acceptable NHL level of talent, and the remaining roster is just an arbitrarily amassed group of, has beens, never were’s, and won’t be’s. I’m sorry— that’s not good enough!

Give me a product I can get behind, give me rookies who constantly hustle and outwork the other team, give me guys that appear hungry to make it in the NHL. Give me SOMETHING to look forward to from this organization!!! I’m fine rebuilding but please, let’s get the rebuild started—enough with the wasting of a year to watch this current mess!

I went on somewhat of a similar rant (not as bad though) and even if half of it is true.....yes, it is disappointing but "at least" its going in the right direction now........finally.
Seems you have to get worse, in order to get better. We made our "run" and the well dried up.
Proof is no Hayes the last 3 games. This team looked horrific. Obviously this years team has already seen its "best days" and now comes the hard part. Accepting that this team is BAD (from the Players and fans standpoint) but the PLAYERS have got to dig down deep and be BETTER. We (the fans) cannot do a damned thing about it! Now, and moving forward we will truly find out who the leaders are, and who are the players that will be the core of this team. Yeah, we all say Mika & Kreids in a heartbeat, (and I will even say Jesper) but the Buchys, Howdens, and Chytils have got to be better, much better until the troops arrive. They have to PROVE they belong here in the NHL. Nothing should be a given. At this point Hank and Staal shouldnt be a given, as well as Vesey and the rest of the gang.
If this team isnt at the very least giving it their all every game, well then.......we just might end up the worst in the league, and as much as I want that future "star" player, i dont want 31st either. That would be embarassing, coming from this oldtimer.

 

[Off Sides]

I've got to say, this latest run is completely unwatchable. This is coming from a fan who considers Ranger games to be appointment television and, aside from the West Coast games, practically never misses a game. I’m incredibly disappointed in the Rangers organization, not for rebuilding but because the product on the ice now is so beyond deplorable and filled with players that are impossible to root for. I’d challenge every member on this board to name players that they truly feel compelled to root for... did you come up with more than 3???

I could go on and on singling out specific guys but what’s the point??? Who are we rebuilding around??? What is there to root for??? It’s honestly sad— this is an absolute lost year filled with a roster that, outside of Mica, Hayes, Kreider and Hank, is filled with players ranging from marginal NHL talent to seriously abysmal no talent or purpose players. Why are guys like Cody, McQuaid, or Stall even on the roster?!?! The Rangers really want to develop 30 something journeymen( Stall is not a journeyman)?!?!?

This is an original 6 team that has had virtually no success for most of its history and now is an absolute travesty to the fan base and the league. I don’t see any clear direction for the rebuild, I see guys being mismanaged, an organization that is devoid of talent who’s farm system is a trash heap, and absolutely no future with most of the current roster. What that means to me is, in order for any of this to turn around, so much has to go right that I simply don’t get how anyone is optimistic about the future. The current Rangers show that it is so hard to get younger talent to develop well in this organization—it’s basically 50/50–(Kreider and maybe Hayes developed well, Vesey and Buch and Skjei have not) so to me, that leaves me rooting for hope or a coin flip! None of the rookies has shown any consistent ability and the upside for many of these guys looks severely limited. Several of our no longer rookies but not yet veterans, (Vesey, Buch, Skjei) have all either regressed or peaked far below an acceptable NHL level of talent, and the remaining roster is just an arbitrarily amassed group of, has beens, never were’s, and won’t be’s. I’m sorry— that’s not good enough!

Give me a product I can get behind, give me rookies who constantly hustle and outwork the other team, give me guys that appear hungry to make it in the NHL. Give me SOMETHING to look forward to from this organization!!! I’m fine rebuilding but please, let’s get the rebuild started—enough with the wasting of a year to watch this current mess!

I think should they continue to sell, draft and develop, eventually we will see rookies who look more top end, guys who can play at a fast pace, something not too different than what Arizona showed this game.

In the mean time, while those players develop, hopefully outside of just being the hood ornaments for a rebuild, (in the NHL) this is the junk NHL hockey we are going to get.

My issue is more along the lines of why are they exposing the youngest youth to this garbage time NHL?

Put the youngest youth in the AHL, maybe they have a really good season, build confidence and chemistry and maybe that eventually carries over once they reach the NHL?

That also would put the onus on the coaching devloping those borderline youths, Buch, Skjei, ADA, Vesey would all have to play and be given roles as Pionk was.

Sure there are those who are going to debate whether putting players in roles they have not earned is wrong, yet look at the roles they have put the youngest in so far? I'd argue all of them have been put in roles they have not earned and the development among them all is being stagnated by them playing on this NHL roster while the development of who are not AHL eligible due to waivers are also being effected.

Call up Belesky, Fogarty, Lettieri, Tokarski let the tank run it course in garbage time. Let the AHL with Georgiev, Chytil, Howden, Lias, Nieves, hopefully develop the youngest youth in what could be a "winning culture"

If that AHL teams does not develop more of a winner, maybe it's time to investigate why not before that gets out of hand too?

 

[Larrybiv]

True. But fans like @Larrybiv and the rest of us on boards like this represent the opinions of lots of fans who don’t pipe-up. I’d reckon there are many who feel like Larry does. We don’t want the front office to lose faith in the re-build even if the losses are embarrassing.

Thanks for mentioning me and supporting my thoughts and sincere fandom.
With that "letter" came an unsaid "vow". There would be no turning back and no doing this "half assed".
We are all clamouring for the likes of Staal, Smith, Shatty and whomever else is old and overpaid.......for them to be brushed to the side, for the sake of plugging in some youngsters.
Lets face it, there are PEOPLE involved here, and it wouldn't look good for the organization to shun players like Staal, especially when there is no real proof that he has been absolutely so much worse than the other 6 or 7. He gets a pass, apparently.
If they were replaced (in our world) with those kids.......where would the stability come from? Wouldn't it be a case of the blind leading the blind? Especially on defense? Is that a good plan? Is that what our goaltenders would want? I dunno.

Furthermore, I love Hank dearly and it absolutely KILLS ME to see him pulled and going through all of this........but my stance had always been that if he "loved the Rangers" (like I know he does) he would have accepted a trade. Kind of like, if you love someone, and the writing is on the wall.............set them free.

This is not an easy process for everyone involved, there is a tightrope to be walked upon.......slowly but surely, inch by inch.

 

[Larrybiv]

I was pleasantly surprised to hear Zuccarello own-up to his poor play and mindset. Acknowledging the problem is the first step toward resolving it. Good on him.

Me too! No sooner Zuccha was the "topic of conversation" in the last pgt......then poof! Like magic, Brooksie does a piece on him.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I am still hoping for a mini HFNYR meeting at the draft.

@EdJovanovski lives in Vancouver. I expect him to be there for sure.

I will be!

 

[Larrybiv]

I think should they continue to sell, draft and develop, eventually we will see rookies who look more top end, guys who can play at a fast pace, something not too different than what Arizona showed this game.

In the mean time, while those players develop, hopefully outside of just being the hood ornaments for a rebuild, (in the NHL) this is the junk NHL hockey we are going to get.

My issue is more along the lines of why are they exposing the youngest youth to this garbage time NHL?

Put the youngest youth in the AHL, maybe they have a really good season, build confidence and chemistry and maybe that eventually carries over once they reach the NHL?

That also would put the onus on the coaching devloping those borderline youths, Buch, Skjei, ADA, Vesey would all have to play and be given roles as Pionk was.

Sure there are those who are going to debate whether putting players in roles they have not earned is wrong, yet look at the roles they have put the youngest in so far? I'd argue all of them have been put in roles they have not earned and the development among them all is being stagnated by them playing on this NHL roster while the development of who are not AHL eligible due to waivers are also being effected.

Call up Belesky, Fogarty, Lettieri, Tokarski let the tank run it course in garbage time. Let the AHL with Georgiev, Chytil, Howden, Lias, Nieves, hopefully develop the youngest youth in what could be a "winning culture"

If that AHL teams does not develop more of a winner, maybe it's time to investigate why not before that gets out of hand too?

Agree wih your sentiments, but man......that would be TOUGH to watch. I think this is the balancing act i mentioned before. Gorton "has to know" that despite this lost season, the truest of the true Rangers fans......have to have "something" to rest their weary eyes on......meaning Chytil specifically.
Even though bludgeoned to death on HF already, I still cannot fathom why oh why ADA isnt getting his playing time.
Man, would I like to be a fly on the wall to KNOW what the reason is for him not playing. Even if he is NOT considered in long range plan......(cant see why not) wouldnt you ply him to increase his value? I dunno, i just dont understand. I like watching the kid, good or bad.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Keep calling the team "The Powerhouse" ... seems to work

 

[Larrybiv]

We are just naming players Chytil isn't better than. The fact that other players are better now is not proof that Chytil won't become a great player.

Right now, ranger fans are looking for every excuse to sulk. They don't appreciate that the team didn't play an unimportant game from October 2005 until March 2018. They are distraught that a 2017 20th pick isn't carrying the team.

If this organization was actually trying to win right now, you would have a reason to be depressed. They are walking the correct path. How are you guys not excited for basically an unprecedented path?

That's a rhetorical question. Don't blow up my alerts with "because rongos" posts.

I will blow it up, because you are "spot on!" Can we all agree on "if we sacrificed 2 years of our Rangers lives" and it would guarantee that the next decade will produce annual PO appearances and a "real shot" at winning the cup?

I would!

Now, sign here................

 

[Off Sides]

Agree wih your sentiments, but man......that would be TOUGH to watch. I think this is the balancing act i mentioned before. Gorton "has to know" that despite this lost season, the truest of the true Rangers fans......have to have "something" to rest their weary eyes on......meaning Chytil specifically.
Even though bludgeoned to death on HF already, I still cannot fathom why oh why ADA isnt getting his playing time.
Man, would I like to be a fly on the wall to KNOW what the reason is for him not playing. Even if he is NOT considered in long range plan......(cant see why not) wouldnt you ply him to increase his value? I dunno, i just dont understand. I like watching the kid, good or bad.

I think if they were put into solid consistent spots, guys like Buch, ADA, Pionk, Vesey, Skjei, while in my opinion not top tier, could be the players seen as reason to watch for their development. If they want to run a 4th line that has both McLeod and Beleskey, even with McQuaid in Smith's or Shattenkirk's spot for toughness entertainment value, okay.

I just don't see much of anyway they are going to effect Fogarty, Beleskey, Lettieri, Tokarski, they are what they are, yet the youngest guys could probably be gaining something more valuable outside of this NHL experience even if it's only until after the trade deadline where all the expectations will change to let's look at and play the youth even if they are making tons of mistakes.

There still seems to be some pressure being applied towards winning here, which I am fine with, but put that stuff on the guys who are little older and the vets. Pressure the youngest towards making the AHL team do stuff.

 

[CasusBelli]

Nah its a Ratte land cruicer compared to what looks like an Näshorn self proppeled assault gun. Even the german military leaders of the time thought it was insane just to think about stuff like that at that time, but the man with the mustache liked it the idea a lot.

Are you familiar with the Hearts of Iron series? You seem like a military history buff; think you’d enjoy that.

 

[CasusBelli]

Keep calling the team "The Powerhouse" ... seems to work

“Everything is relative.”

 

[ponytrekker]

I've got to say, this latest run is completely unwatchable.

Wait until 93, 20, 36, 17 and 13 are all gone.

This is an original 6 team that has had virtually no success for most of its history and now is an absolute travesty to the fan base and the league. I don’t see any clear direction for the rebuild, I see guys being mismanaged, an organization that is devoid of talent who’s farm system is a trash heap, and absolutely no future with most of the current roster.

And I see a braindead front office led by Jimmy the drunk.

 

[ThirdEye]

Saying our farm system is a "trash heap" is complete and utter hyperbole. Just because none of them are having a huge impact in the NHL yet hardly makes it a trash heap.... We have intriguing/promising prospects at just about every position

 

[ponytrekker]

... but the Buchys, Howdens, and Chytils have got to be better, much better until the troops arrive. They have to PROVE they belong here in the NHL.

This is my problem. I see absolutely no evidence that Gorton knows what the f*** he is doing. I don't want to hear "they're young" or "but boston" from people. I want to see development. I want to see evidence that the players he drafted (over better players) can succeed at the NHL level. We did see it from Howden (who he didn't draft) first 10 games of the year but WTF are we watching now?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

This is my problem. I see absolutely no evidence that Gorton knows what the **** he is doing. I don't want to hear "they're young" or "but boston" from people. I want to see development. I want to see evidence that the players he drafted (over better players) can succeed at the NHL level. We did see it from Howden (who he didn't draft) first 10 games of the year but WTF are we watching now?

I'm not sure what you are expecting? It takes years not months to develop players.

 

[apoptygma]

Are you familiar with the Hearts of Iron series? You seem like a military history buff; think you’d enjoy that.

Yeah, HoI is great (same as the other Paradox grand strategy games).

 

[CasusBelli]

Yeah, HoI is great (same as the other Paradox grand strategy games).

Wish they’d release a Victoria 3. The second iteration had the best economic system of all the historical series. EU series put me to sleep lol.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

True. But fans like @Larrybiv and the rest of us on boards like this represent the opinions of lots of fans who don’t pipe-up. I’d reckon there are many who feel like Larry does. We don’t want the front office to lose faith in the re-build even if the losses are embarrassing.

Go back and read what he said. He said the exact opposite of you.

I was chiding him for the “I ain’t rooting for muh team to lose”.

1. Long term fans who have a sense of time-space beyond the immediate, aren’t hoping the team bottons out because “they want the team to be perpetual losers. It’s the exact opposite, and debating the semantics if it are annoying to say the least.

2. The “muh team” thing is super outdated. Unlike back in the day when a good portion of a team’s core stayed in tack up to a decade, in the current cap-era 31 team NHL, even during non-rebuild years, there is so much roster turnover on every team every 2 years that there has never been a greater time in NHL history to root for the crest on the front rather than the name on the back. If some shory term plugs need to ride down the wave so thecRangers can get franchise players, so be it.

3. The team plays for the fans and the fans in return support the players. It’s enough to spend this much time on the Rangers let alone blindly have some whimsical feeling for the current roster on a team that is openly admitting it’s cleaning house.

4. I’m a grown man.

 

[RangerLifer]

It's exactly 30.

-27

AND we are dead LAST in ROW's. So we do have a good chance of finishing dead last overall. We're on pace for 81 points. The first 41 points had our winning streak at 8-1-1 and I do not see this team capable at this point of doing that in the second half of this season.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

-27

NHL.com counts a goal for when you win a shootout.

They've won 3 more than they've lost.

-30.