OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Whats a Running Back? Does it make the Steel Steeler?

[lastcupever75]

I pose this question to the national audience which viewed theee first 2 games.

Does this team look like it’s well coached?
Maybe the facade of ‘tomlin being a great coach’ is getting exposed.
Another flop on Sunday night might blow up that thinking for good.
And like WTH was he thinking on that last challenge

 

[Rossi Rat]

I’ve seen enough of Pickett. He sucks. No improvement, inaccurate, still incapable of throwing more than a single TD in any given game.

…but let’s all boo Matt Canada and absolve the Pitt glory boy of any blame!

If he didn’t go to Pitt, he wouldn’t be here. He wouldn’t be in the NFL. Tell me I’m wrong, and provide hard factual evidence. You can’t.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I’ve seen enough of Pickett. He sucks. No improvement, inaccurate, still incapable of throwing more than a single TD in any given game.

…but let’s all boo Matt Canada and absolve the Pitt glory boy of any blame!

If he didn’t go to Pitt, he wouldn’t be here. He wouldn’t be in the NFL. Tell me I’m wrong, and provide hard factual evidence. You can’t.

I can provide you mounds of evidence this has been the worst Steelers offense in the modern era for the last 37 games.

There has been only one constant during that time.

Hint - it’s the guy Ed Orgeron called a “mistake”.

The guy who was fired from his last two jobs before being out of work for a year.

 

[Pens1566]

Blame Canada for the play calling all you want, it's warranted. But KP just can't make all the throws he should be able to as a starter at this level, and he's inaccurate as hell.

Sure looks like we blew 2 1st round picks ...

 

[Rossi Rat]

Blame Canada for the play calling all you want, it's warranted. But KP just can't make all the throws he should be able to as a starter at this level, and he's inaccurate as hell.

Sure looks like we blew 2 1st round picks ...

This. And I’m not absolving Canada of blame. Canada sucks and Pickett sucks. Both things can be true.

And yeah those first round picks since Watt in ‘18…

Edmunds - not awful but mediocre and now gone anyway
Bush - bust
Najee - won’t call a bust yet but it’s close and already clear he wasn’t worth a 1st round pick
Pickett - not looking good
Jones - not even playing and seems like he should be good if he does but he gives me bad vibes. Apparently likes to hang out at the casino late too I’ve heard.

 

[OnMyOwn]

All 3 QBs have looked awful in this offense. Then go back to bens last year and he looked awful, outside of calling his own plays for stretches to steal points.

I don’t think KP is it, either. But he’s not exactly on an offense that’s built to succeed. Loaded with talent they don’t use. It should be blatantly obvious who the issue is.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

If three QBS look like dog shit in this offense, the line can’t block, and they can’t run the ball, why would the head coach not ask why it’s been this dysfunctional going on three seasons now?

We’ve been stuck in a time loop talking about the same shit since 2021.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

They ain't wrong.

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

Canada sucks.

Still, Ben with no mobility and a dead arm was more efficient than KP in the same system. Trubisky was more efficient than KP in the same system.

Ben had 5 multi td pass games in his last season. Pickett has started 14 games and has 0.

That play last night where KP checked down to Najee even though Najee was surrounded by 3 Browns says it all about KP's potential.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Given all info at the moment- both Pickett and Canada are not NFL caliber. I would argue Pickett has been the bigger problem this year (last year not true). But we have a much larger size with Canada, and it’s easier to change OC than QB in week 3 though.

Even if we did, not sure how much better things get. Sullivan does seem a lesser evil, but this is firmly Canada’s playbook after 2 years.

Seriously grave error keeping him. Probably stays the whole year and we’re looking for a new OC and QB next offseason. Such a waste of a season- makes me sad but unless there’s some sudden miraculous turnaround in scheme and execution the best thing for this franchise is to bottom out.

 

[JTG]

I’ve seen enough of Pickett. He sucks. No improvement, inaccurate, still incapable of throwing more than a single TD in any given game.

…but let’s all boo Matt Canada and absolve the Pitt glory boy of any blame!

If he didn’t go to Pitt, he wouldn’t be here. He wouldn’t be in the NFL. Tell me I’m wrong, and provide hard factual evidence. You can’t.

I don't know one single person giving Kenny a pass right now. He would have been in the NFL...whether he would have been a 1st round pick or not we can probably say that wouldn't have happened.

All 3 QBs have looked awful in this offense. Then go back to bens last year and he looked awful, outside of calling his own plays for stretches to steal points.

I don’t think KP is it, either. But he’s not exactly on an offense that’s built to succeed. Loaded with talent they don’t use. It should be blatantly obvious who the issue is.

Exactly. This offense has not had one QB look good in it.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Jones - not even playing and seems like he should be good if he does but he gives me bad vibes. Apparently likes to hang out at the casino late too I’ve heard.

The horror lmao.

I do not think you are a fan tbh. This team sucks but seems like you revel in their failure

 

[xlm34]

With Pickett, I don’t know, he almost looks nervous out there which is kind of weird for him. Canada is obviously an issue and not doing him any favors, but the accuracy and decision making are just not there for Pickett right now. And he if doesn’t have that, then he isn’t an NFL starting QB. I also haven’t seen him scramble at all this year. A lot of times last year he’d use his legs to move the chains.

The Browns and Niners do have great defenses, so maybe a game against the Raiders can get him going a bit.

 

[JTG]

Man it really seems like the wheels are falling off this thing. And let's be clear, if Chubb didn't blow out his knee, he was running for 200 yards. This is a poorly coached team from the top down. The only thing we have is a pass rush (that we don't use for periods of the game and only rush 4). Najee's two runs in the 4th quarter are what bring me back to the thought that the dude just doesn't want to play football. When he cares and gets angry, he's ripping off 10 yard runs. He just doesn't look like a dude that wants to be a football player.

Does firing Canada help Kenny? Probably not, but we know this offense doesn't work with any QB. It needs to be discarded.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Steelers O can’t pass, block or run.

Just needs another 37 games and it will finally click, I can feel it.

It comes down to 3 things:

1. The play calling is absolutely predictable. If you took the entire pro bowl roster on offense, but had to declare to any NFL defense what you're running it would look exactly like this.

2. For all the rebuilding of the Oline, these assholes still can't block (run or pass) worth a dam

3. KP. I'm officially off the KP train for a bit. It's like he took stupid pills this offseason. His decision making is atrocious and when he picks the right window he's either late or throws it into the dirt. Just a very poor start this season

 

[joestevens29]

Man it really seems like the wheels are falling off this thing. And let's be clear, if Chubb didn't blow out his knee, he was running for 200 yards. This is a poorly coached team from the top down. The only thing we have is a pass rush (that we don't use for periods of the game and only rush 4). Najee's two runs in the 4th quarter are what bring me back to the thought that the dude just doesn't want to play football. When he cares and gets angry, he's ripping off 10 yard runs. He just doesn't look like a dude that wants to be a football player.

Does firing Canada help Kenny? Probably not, but we know this offense doesn't work with any QB. It needs to be discarded.

Well both my CFL team and NFL team have/had drastic issues with the offensive coordinator.

Granted we swapped from and older QB to a younger QB when we fired the coordinator this year. The one thing that drastically helped the QB and probably would've helped the old QB is that we had a better play caller that got the run game going and took pressure off the QB. He also called a game more tailored to our QB which helped. Canada seems to have been an issue since he came to Pittsburgh. I think before going another route at QB I'm looking at changing coordinator

 

[Shaftception]

Using Trubisky as a comparison to Pickett so far this season Trubisky was able to actually drive the ball downfield at times last year, He came in and won the Tampa game, and drove the ball more successfully down the field against the Ravens than the Pickett led offense. His biggest issue was taking too many risks and throwing picks, and they had no room for error if they hoped to win games.

Well so far this year, Pickett's inaccuracy is at this point undeniable, but he's also making poor decisions and throwing picks again after he seemingly improved on that to close out last year (granted against inferior opponents compared to the beginning of this and last year).

He should probably have 3 more interceptions thrown so far than he currently has this season, 1 last week where the defender just dropped a ball thrown directly to him to the left, and last night I think there were two more balls simply dropped by defenders. I remember for sure one at the start of the 2nd half when he rolled out to his right and before running out of bounds threw a ball directly to a defender in front of his I guess intended target if he wasn't trying to throw the ball away. Aikmen openly questioned the poor decision making there.

As others said, Canada is for sure a major problem, but you can't have your starting quarterback unable to consistently hit his targets and making poor decisions with the ball leading to turnovers on top of that.

He needs to drastically improve in both areas and neither can be chalked up entirely to Canada's poor playcalling.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

That’s my point. Same playbook but someone else calling plays…that wouldn’t make the stupid f***ing calls he does. I’m sure there’s good plays in there, just not in whatever order/scenario Canada tries to call them.

The playbook (i.e., design and individual responsibilities) is a lot of the problem, though. It's not just Canada being bad at play calling. He's bad at so many facets of his job.

 

[Pens1566]

Using Trubisky as a comparison to Pickett so far this season Trubisky was able to actually drive the ball downfield at times last year, He came in and won the Tampa game, and drove the ball more successfully down the field against the Ravens than the Pickett led offense. His biggest issue was taking too many risks and throwing picks, and they had no room for error if they hoped to win games.

Well so far this year, Pickett's inaccuracy is at this point undeniable, but he's also making poor decisions and throwing picks again after he seemingly improved on that to close out last year (granted against inferior opponents compared to the beginning of this and last year).

He should probably have 3 more interceptions thrown so far than he currently has this season, 1 last week where the defender just dropped a ball thrown directly to him to the left, and last night I think there were two more balls simply dropped by defenders. I remember for sure one at the start of the 2nd half when he rolled out to his right and before running out of bounds threw a ball directly to a defender in front of his I guess intended target if he wasn't trying to throw the ball away. Aikmen openly questioned the poor decision making there.

As others said, Canada is for sure a major problem, but you can't have your starting quarterback unable to consistently hit his targets and making poor decisions with the ball leading to turnovers on top of that.

He needs to drastically improve in both areas and neither can be chalked up entirely to Canada's poor playcalling.

Yeah, that play was atrocious. I have no idea what he was thinking trying to make that throw. There were at least 2 Browns in really good position around Harris.

And there were multiple times last night where both Aikman & Buck were openly questioning his choice or accuracy.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Man it really seems like the wheels are falling off this thing. And let's be clear, if Chubb didn't blow out his knee, he was running for 200 yards. This is a poorly coached team from the top down. The only thing we have is a pass rush (that we don't use for periods of the game and only rush 4). Najee's two runs in the 4th quarter are what bring me back to the thought that the dude just doesn't want to play football. When he cares and gets angry, he's ripping off 10 yard runs. He just doesn't look like a dude that wants to be a football player.

Does firing Canada help Kenny? Probably not, but we know this offense doesn't work with any QB. It needs to be discarded.

This team was bailed out by their bookend OLBs.

Let’s be real about it - the secondary is comical and they are getting the ball run down their throats.

Don’t think I need to make any comments about the O.

It comes down to 3 things:

1. The play calling is absolutely predictable. If you took the entire pro bowl roster on offense, but had to declare to any NFL defense what you're running it would look exactly like this.

2. For all the rebuilding of the Oline, these assholes still can't block (run or pass) worth a dam

3. KP. I'm officially off the KP train for a bit. It's like he took stupid pills this offseason. His decision making is atrocious and when he picks the right window he's either late or throws it into the dirt. Just a very poor start this season

I’m not bailing on a young QB until I see a couple yrs of his work.

No matter how much we want to rush it, it takes 2-3 yrs for a QB to develop.

Some in this fanbase just got spoiled by Cowher developing Roth properly behind a great team.

All that said, I have no clue how KP will develop in such a dysfunctional offense.

If you can’t run or pass block and now KP is developing bad habits, something has to stop that spiral and reset things for him to develop.

I have zero faith in Tomlin or especially Canada to figure it out - I saw 23 games of pure ineptness without KP, so who is going to fix it, really?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

With Pickett, I don’t know, he almost looks nervous out there which is kind of weird for him.

He knows there's some pressure on him and the team to be good and the first two teams were top 8 defenses.

Not excusing it. Just explaining it.

 

[xlm34]

This also needs to change. I’m not sure what more Wallace has to do to feel a little pressure. He was responsible for the big CMC run last week, the big run this week, dropped a gimme pick, and gave up a few big completions.

I’m not sure how many snaps Adams had, but Benton should be playing over him. I’d start playing Fehoko as well with his run stuffing ability.

And if the line is going to suck, might as well suck with Broderick Jones getting snaps.

 

[Josey Wales]

Oswald Bates Ladies & Gentleman !!!

 

[The Old Master]

I get why the Browns built their offense around Chubb but I don't get why you bring in Watson and have him try to run a system that he never has.

Why pay top dollar to have a spread qb run a power run offense when they could have signed any generic game manager for a fraction of the price?

mt is not alone.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

The OC, the QB and the OL.

Canada is an atrocity, would be hired by no other NFL team and maybe 15% of college teams given his resume. He is there because he coached Tomlin's son (gave him a scholly?), the Rooneys are obsessed with Pitt guys and Tomlin likes to surround himself with dummies to make himself look smart. Full stop. His resume was trash and totally unfit to be an NFL OC. This was clear to anyone when the hire was made.

Kenny has regressed, accuracy is regularly bad (it got better somewhat tonight) and the decision-making is painful. He is under siege however.

The OL. Omar Khan, where you at? The interior of this line was all bought at a pretty big price tag by you and we invested a first round pick who is WORSE than the performance that Chuks and Dan Moore put forward tonight. Think about that. Jones is worse than Dan Moore and Dan Moore was beaten by Garrett worse than Rudolph was.

Fire Canada tomorrow and then see what you have with Kenny. Hope the OL gets better.
And yeah, Jaylen Warren >>>>> Najee but anyone who has watched the past year could tell you that. It's immaterial compared to the aforementioned issues.

I typed the exact same thing!