OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Whats a Running Back? Does it make the Steel Steeler?

[DanielPlainview]

Just confirmed it is a torn achilles

Damn, that's really odd. Hell of a tape job maybe

 

[Headshot77]

Benton had the 2nd highest pff grade for a rookie this week, behind only Jalen Carter.

Small solace and he should be expected to play a lot more snaps with Cam out.

I read that as Jeff Carter and I was VERY confused lol

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

He’s been getting the bulk of the targets and their main receiver over one of the worst stretches of offensive ineptness in franchise history.

I don’t think that’s entirely a coincidence, but not going to pretend he’s the biggest issue.

Like I wrote before, they can not score points with him, or not score without him.

Not really seeing how it will be much of a difference with him out.

Maybe Canada will have to get creative to redistribute all those targets….

Or probably not.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

49ers literally beat the living shit out of the Steelers. I guess we’re not the Jets but holy deflating opener. I feel worse about it now than Sunday.

Is there any chance this team actually responds or is it another mediocre year of nothing?

Want to know the worst part of what happened on Sunday?

The Steelers will dial things back and try and lean more on some bland rushing offense feature Najee, the guy with no juice and who offers no YAC whatsoever as a receiver out of the backfield.

 

[JTG]

Rodgers tearing his achilles on the first series is the most NYJ thing ever.

I think my biggest fear with the Steelers is that they have a guy who can't push the ball down field at QB and they have a RB that has no juice to pick up chunks of yards to kill clocks or generate momentum. Hopefully it's just a horrendous offensive scheme and they can get a new coordinator in here and things change.

I am curious as to length of leash that Canada has, because if this team goes 2-4 or worse in the first 6, they are basically out of it at that point. We will be shooting for, at best, 9-8. They have given these clowns way too much leeway. I have never heard of an offense so simplistic taking 3 f***ing years to implement.

 

[JTG]

Benton had the 2nd highest pff grade for a rookie this week, behind only Jalen Carter.

Small solace and he should be expected to play a lot more snaps with Cam out.

He is a beast. He could very well be a 5 technique at 320 pounds. He looks explosive enough to me. That could be wild if they find a big 3-4 nose and bump him outside to DE.

 

[JTG]

PFF has an "Elusive Rating." Basically it measure the success of a runner with the ball and the difficulty the opponent had in bringing him down to the ground.

Najee's rating on Sunday was a 0.0.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Rodgers tearing his achilles on the first series is the most NYJ thing ever.

I think my biggest fear with the Steelers is that they have a guy who can't push the ball down field at QB and they have a RB that has no juice to pick up chunks of yards to kill clocks or generate momentum. Hopefully it's just a horrendous offensive scheme and they can get a new coordinator in here and things change.

I am curious as to length of leash that Canada has, because if this team goes 2-4 or worse in the first 6, they are basically out of it at that point. We will be shooting for, at best, 9-8. They have given these clowns way too much leeway. I have never heard of an offense so simplistic taking 3 f***ing years to implement.

How would we ever know?

The Steelers could have Aaron Rodgers in his prime and Canada would have him throwing 95% of his passes within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage.

Hard to get any down field rhythm if you never throw down field.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

PFF has an "Elusive Rating." Basically it measure the success of a runner with the ball and the difficulty the opponent had in bringing him down to the ground.

Najee's rating on Sunday was a 0.0.

I'm not a Harris fan, but I'm not going to give any of the RB's any type of grade since they had to write off the running attack quite early.

The only appropriate thing you could grade them on would be pass pro and I didn't focus on them enough to draw meaningful patterns

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Last night Allen took 5 Xanaxs before the game or put money on the Jets.
4 turnovers will kill you every time

So you're blaming another inept offensive performance ENTIRELY on KP?

On Sunday yes. The All 22 is not going to be kind to KP. On the very 1st drive he had an opportunity to do exactly what they had done all pre season take the one on one with GP when teams load up on Najee he hesitated instead of throwing it. His footwork was terrible he was seeing ghost and bailing out of pressure when there wasn’t any. KP has to win pre snap he has to get the ball out on time like Purdy. Throw it to a spot and expect his wr to get there.

How would we ever know?

The Steelers could have Aaron Rodgers in his prime and Canada would have him throwing 95% of his passes within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage.

Hard to get any down field rhythm if you never throw down field.

Actually the game plan was for them to attack downfield DK Starks Foster all have said they could tell by watching the routes develop on Sunday they practiced all week and gameplan was the same as pre season.
Purdy didn’t go deep he lived in the 10-20 yard zone

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

Najee had more yards per attempt on the ground than Kenny did through the air so I'd say this team has massive problems.

Canada is bad and Kenny is questionable. It is a bad system, yes, but immobile, no-arm Ben was more productive under Canada. Kenny needs to be better.

 

[TooManyHumans]

There was yet another play from Najee where he caught a pass, looked to have lots of room to make something happen, stood around doing nothing for a bit, and then ran into a tackle for a couple yards. Dude is just unbelievably pedestrian. He would make a fine backup. Ok to good at most things but he is simply not special.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

On Sunday yes. The All 22 is not going to be kind to KP. On the very 1st drive he had an opportunity to do exactly what they had done all pre season take the one on one with GP when teams load up on Najee he hesitated instead of throwing it. His footwork was terrible he was seeing ghost and bailing out of pressure when there wasn’t any. KP has to win pre snap he has to get the ball out on time like Purdy. Throw it to a spot and expect his wr to get there.

I'm not absolving KP in this convo at all. He was horrendous

But to throw it all on him and not the coaching staff? Again, I'm convinced you are somehow related to Tomlin.
As someone tweeted, they revamped like 40% of the roster yet 100% of the problems remain. They basically got every guy in draft/FA that Tomlin or his staff coveted. And we see exactly the same type of approach from Game 1 of this year to Game 1 of last year. I'm not joking when I say it's a carbon copy. I keep telling you that Canada's offense is predictable and any opposing coaching staff worth it's salt can figure it out within a couple hours. Hell, I knew we were in trouble when they inserted Austin and it was a predictable jet sweep.

How can you honestly say the coaches put the players in the best position to succeed? Pickens is claiming that the coaching staff didn't prepare them for what they saw. Is that also on KP?

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I'm not absolving KP in this convo at all. He was horrendous

But to throw it all on him and not the coaching staff? Again, I'm convinced you are somehow related to Tomlin.
As someone tweeted, they revamped like 40% of the roster yet 100% of the problems remain. They basically got every guy in draft/FA that Tomlin or his staff coveted. And we see exactly the same type of approach from Game 1 of this year to Game 1 of last year. I'm not joking when I say it's a carbon copy. I keep telling you that Canada's offense is predictable and any opposing coaching staff worth it's salt can figure it out within a couple hours. Hell, I knew we were in trouble when they inserted Austin and it was a predictable jet sweep.

How can you honestly say the coaches put the players in the best position to succeed? Pickens is claiming that the coaching staff didn't prepare them for what they saw. Is that also on KP?

And there is the crux of my complaint about Tomlin and his coaching staff over the years.

The Steelers get 110% out of the draft and development of players.

And about 80% out of the expected results for the talent level of the players on the roster during the actual games by poor game plans, poor decisions, and poor execution.

 

[Peat]

49ers literally beat the living shit out of the Steelers. I guess we’re not the Jets but holy deflating opener. I feel worse about it now than Sunday.

Is there any chance this team actually responds or is it another mediocre year of nothing?

They've won the next game after big blowout losses in the last four, so right now I'd expect them to respond.

But that doesn't mean they're going to do anything much with the season tho.

 

[Pens1566]

Huh, wonder if Rodgers will try some naturopathic medicine for his achilles injury?

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Huh, wonder if Rodgers will try some naturopathic medicine for his achilles injury?

Another silent retreat lol

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Najee had more yards per attempt on the ground than Kenny did through the air so I'd say this team has massive problems.

Canada is bad and Kenny is questionable. It is a bad system, yes, but immobile, no-arm Ben was more productive under Canada. Kenny needs to be better.

Not going to excuse KP's performance, but Roth was only good when he called his own plays under Canada, which KP obviously doesn't have the clout to do.

Don't forget the Steelers that year were on a comical streak of not scoring a single TD in the first half in 5-6 consecutive games and broke/tied the franchise record that dated back to 1940.

The 40s, back when the fwd pass was considered a sin against the football gods.

It was so long ago, that the Steelers were called the Pirates the year prior.

That's what Canada's offense has been in case people somehow forgot how shitty it was save a few games agt bad Ds at the end of last season.

 

[Pens1566]

Another silent retreat lol

I hear he's gonna do 6 weeks in an unnamed tribal sweat lodge while consuming nothing but ayahuasca.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Huh, wonder if Rodgers will try some naturopathic medicine for his achilles injury?

When it comes to the homeopathic vs allopathic discussion, no one I know argues against the allopathic treatment of trauma. The homeopathic questions start when it comes to preventive and treatment care.

 

[Pens1566]

When it comes to the homeopathic vs allopathic discussion, no one I know argues against the allopathic treatment of trauma. The homeopathic questions start when it comes to preventive and treatment care.

James Andrews vs Theodoric, Barber of York

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Rodgers tearing his achilles on the first series is the most NYJ thing ever.

I think my biggest fear with the Steelers is that they have a guy who can't push the ball down field at QB and they have a RB that has no juice to pick up chunks of yards to kill clocks or generate momentum. Hopefully it's just a horrendous offensive scheme and they can get a new coordinator in here and things change.

I am curious as to length of leash that Canada has, because if this team goes 2-4 or worse in the first 6, they are basically out of it at that point. We will be shooting for, at best, 9-8. They have given these clowns way too much leeway. I have never heard of an offense so simplistic taking 3 f***ing years to implement.

I don't know as we can make any clear determinations about any of it without first disposing of Matt Canada.

 

[WickedWrister]

The solution to all our problems ...

 

[WickedWrister]

As if I wasn't already stuck in the past, here's Ben's thoughts on week 1 regarding Canada:

"Ben Roethlisberger says Matt Canada should let his playmakers make plays: “I remember with Coach Randy Fichtner, we always had like a go-to play. It’s just like man, I’m a little off today. Maybe it was going no-huddle where like I was calling plays that I felt comfortable with or like two or three plays that are just like a ball out of your hand. Maybe it’s a screen or where I throw a ball to a wide receiver, and he breaks a 10-yarder. Let your playmakers make plays.”

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I don't know as we can make any clear determinations about any of it without first disposing of Matt Canada.

Our entire country is more divided than we have been in a century and a half.

Matt Canada is the only unifying issue in the entire country.

I think that he has a fan of one. Tomlin. Even his mother has likely had enough at this point.