OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

[DanielPlainview]

On the bright side. Broderick Jones was pretty much owning the left side with probably next to zero prep as a starter, Najee actually looked good for once, and it doesn’t seem like KP’s injury was serious.

With a competent staff, it’s a little bit to build on. With this one, they’ll find a way to make it less than useless.

 

[Rossi Rat]

Tried telling you all Pickett sucks. Sample size is big enough now. Great point by Madden - you didn’t hire Canada (and yeah he should’ve been fired in the off-season) to be your franchise coordinator. You drafted Pickett to be your franchise QB

 

[Power Surge]

It shows that Cowher was atleast able to develop staff, which shows if you can develop staff you are probably pretty decent at your job that other team's want your guys.

How does that make Cowher similar to Tomlin then?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Tried telling you all Pickett sucks. Sample size is big enough now. Great point by Madden - you didn’t hire Canada (and yeah he should’ve been fired in the off-season) to be your franchise coordinator. You drafted Pickett to be your franchise QB

Same shit was said about Hurts by the end of his second year. Think I'll wait until the end of his third year before I jump off a bridge like most other Steeler fans.

Of course, this is based on the hopeless assumption Canada is finally fired and Tomlin is forced to hire an OC with talent, not another one of his cronies.

Oh, and he keeps his hands out of the offense. So basically, it's again a hopeless assumption.

I rarely listen to him anymore, but had Madden on yesterday in my truck and he said he was going to be frank "Tomlin is a very stupid man, and I don't say that lightly"

Ranted how he thinks he can run an old grind it out style offense in today's NFL, and thinks he can outsmart the rest of the NFL.

When you have a stupid head coach and an incompetent coordinator, no QB is going to develop in Pgh.

So KP can blow and whatever, but the next guy will suffer the same fate, I'm 100% sure of that.

 

[Power Surge]

Same shit was said about Hurts by the end of his second year. Think I'll wait until the end of his third year before I jump off a bridge like most other Steeler fans.

Of course, this is based on the hopeless assumption Canada is finally fired and Tomlin is forced to hire an OC with talent, not another one of his cronies.

Oh, and he keeps his hands out of the offense. So basically, it's again a hopeless assumption.

I rarely listen to him anymore, but had Madden on yesterday in my truck and he said he was going to be frank "Tomlin is a very stupid man, and I don't say that lightly"

Ranted how he thinks he can run an old grind it out style offense in today's NFL, and thinks he can outsmart the rest of the NFL.

When you have a stupid head coach and an incompetent coordinator, no QB is going to develop in Pgh.

So KP can blow and whatever, but the next guy will suffer the same fate, I'm 100% sure of that.

Tomlin is definitely dumber than a box of rocks . I just fail to see how Cowher Is being compared to the biggest fraud in NFL history.

 

[Power Surge]

Tried telling you all Pickett sucks. Sample size is big enough now. Great point by Madden - you didn’t hire Canada (and yeah he should’ve been fired in the off-season) to be your franchise coordinator. You drafted Pickett to be your franchise QB

According to Mike and Bob here, Kenny's got some super powers.


[Yt]

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Fillipponi: 'Why won't people listen when I say repeatedly that Tomlin is an overrated coach?'
https://www.audacy.com/937thefan/sports ... ated-coach?

“Why won’t people listen when I say repeatedly that Tomlin is an overrated coach,” Fillipponi said (28:15 in player above). “He hasn’t won a playoff game since 2016. They just lost by 24 to the Texans with a rookie head coach and a quarterback starting his fourth game. They’re not going to win a playoff game this year; that’ll be seven in a row.”

The Steelers haven’t won a playoff game since reaching the AFC Championship Game in 2016. Much of Tomlin’s success came early in his Steelers tenure with a star-studded roster.

Now, the roster that he has hand-picked isn’t meeting those expectations.

“He wanted this quarterback. He wanted a running back in the first round two years ago. He employs the worst offensive coordinator,” Fillipponi continued. “He has not hired an innovative, young, enterprising, forward-thinking offensive coordinator since he’s been the head coach here in 2007. And the national media, finally, is starting to catch on to it.”

Fillipponi likened Tomlin’s tenure to that of Bill Belichick in New England. While Belichick seems to have lost a step without Tom Brady, he’s still one of the best coaches of all time and has the rings to prove it.

“Belichick and Tomlin are very, very similar. It’s interesting to me that Belichick gets murdered, as he should, but that guy’s got six Super Bowls; this guy’s got one. But because they limped their way to 8-8 or 9-8, he gets credit at the end of the day,” he said. “He builds the roster here. He picks the team. I thought (Sunday) was a failure of his regime at this point. You go to a place like Houston and you’re completely non-competitive (Sunday) afternoon.”

“There are very few defensive head coaches that are winning in today’s NFL,” Fillipponi continued. “I think the game’s passed him by, honestly. He’s been here for a long time. He’s not the young, cool, hip, young coach anymore.”

 

[Pens1566]

I hate when Fillipponi is right. Thank god it happens so rarely.

 

[pistolpete11]

I hate when Fillipponi is right. Thank god it happens so rarely.

He's right that Tomlin is overrated, but he's very, very wrong to say he's similar to Belichick.

 

[Pens1566]

He's right that Tomlin is overrated, but he's very, very wrong to say he's similar to Belichick.

Meh, he called out the difference (six rings). But there is definitely something to the point that without Brady he isn't necessarily the same deity everyone portrays him as.

 

[xlm34]

I miss Cam Sutton.

 

[Andy99]

Lol…so true…”Matt Canada is the Bob Ross of three and outs”

 

[Coastal Kev]

Tomlin is definitely dumber than a box of rocks . I just fail to see how Cowher Is being compared to the biggest fraud in NFL history.

TOMLIN is Larry Coker

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Tomlin is definitely dumber than a box of rocks . I just fail to see how Cowher Is being compared to the biggest fraud in NFL history.

biggest fraud? Payton in Denver isn’t looking so hot

Same shit was said about Hurts by the end of his second year. Think I'll wait until the end of his third year before I jump off a bridge like most other Steeler fans.

Of course, this is based on the hopeless assumption Canada is finally fired and Tomlin is forced to hire an OC with talent, not another one of his cronies.

Oh, and he keeps his hands out of the offense. So basically, it's again a hopeless assumption.

I rarely listen to him anymore, but had Madden on yesterday in my truck and he said he was going to be frank "Tomlin is a very stupid man, and I don't say that lightly"

Ranted how he thinks he can run an old grind it out style offense in today's NFL, and thinks he can outsmart the rest of the NFL.

When you have a stupid head coach and an incompetent coordinator, no QB is going to develop in Pgh.

So KP can blow and whatever, but the next guy will suffer the same fate, I'm 100% sure of that.

Hurts shown flashes in year 2 that KP hasn’t he is still struggling with basic pre snap reads and reading defenses. They texans literally told him what the defense was time and time again and he missed the read pre snap he should have had 3 td against Houston and left 120 yards on the field

 

[pistolpete11]

Meh, he called out the difference (six rings). But there is definitely something to the point that without Brady he isn't necessarily the same deity everyone portrays him as.

5 rings is quite the difference, not to mention all the other SB and championship games he reached. It's laughable to say they are similar other than in some very specific ways.

It's not a surprise to me Belichick isn't the same without Brady. Talent (especially a franchise QB) was, is, and always will be the most important thing. Good coaching can only get so much out of mediocre talent. On the flip side, mediocre coaching can only get so much out of good talent. When you have mediocre coaching AND mediocre talent, you get Tomlin Purgatory.


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You know things are bleak when even the Tomlin apologists have to resort to "He's not THE biggest fraud" as their defense of him.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Found this

 

[Rave7215]

The Steelers have been consistently behind the cutting edge offensively since even the dynasty years. The problem is that winning with a punishing rushing attack and ball control is not the best or even a competitive strategy anymore.

Rule changes and NFL coaches being more willing to embrace schemes that used to be considered only fit for college means you need to score 30 regularly to be a contender now.

The Steelers' ceiling is the Titans at Vrabel's peak. They are not outscoring Mahomes, Allen, or Tua even if they did make the playoffs consistently anymore.

The Steelers just aren't a modern NFL franchise, period. They are held up by their history and legacy. They constantly have the smallest staff in the league. They are among the bottom in training facilities. Their hires are always in house or bottom of the barrel candidates. Frankly, the Rooney's don't have the money to keep up with the rest of the league. And it's showing.

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

I just don't know what to tell people who think a qb who bails on a pocket like this is going to be anything but a backup nfl qb.

There was another one from the Texans game where the line picked up a blitz on the right side and Kenny scrambled into the blitz instead of taking 1 step left into a super clean pocket.

Kenny aint it. It is pure cope at this point.

 

[Pengwins]

According to Mike and Bob here, Kenny's got some super powers.


[Yt]

damn those guys are annoying af

 

[Pengwins]

Turdbisky should have a short leash next game, Rudolph may be better

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

biggest fraud? Payton in Denver isn’t looking so hot


Hurts shown flashes in year 2 that KP hasn’t he is still struggling with basic pre snap reads and reading defenses. They texans literally told him what the defense was time and time again and he missed the read pre snap he should have had 3 td against Houston and left 120 yards on the field

Nah bro, that's revisionist history.

Eagle fans and media turned on him just like Steeler fans with KP already:

Hayes vs. Sielski: Jalen Hurts hasn’t shown he’s the long-term answer at quarterback for the Eagles

We saw QB1 channel Steve Young three weeks ago. That was an aberration. Given his limits, that needs to be the norm for any team to be expected to ride with him.

www.inquirer.com

Doug Gottlieb: Jalen Hurts Isn't Good Enough to Be a Starting Quarterback | FOX Sports Radio

Doug Gottlieb says the Philadelphia Eagles do not have a future with rookie backup Jalen Hurts becoming their starter next season, and says Eagles head coach Doug Pederson cannot win without Carson Wentz.

foxsportsradio.iheart.com

Hurts was struggling and people turned on him, simple as that.

Fans are impatient and want instant gratification, but most QBs take at least 3 years to develop, even the best ones.

Lawrence is still having issues and it’s year three, and he was considered a generational talent.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Tomlin is definitely dumber than a box of rocks . I just fail to see how Cowher Is being compared to the biggest fraud in NFL history.

Cowher was frustrating, but he was a legit good coach that didn’t perpetually embarrass this org.

He has his bad moments, but Tomlin has had more debacles in the last few years than Cowher had during his entire career.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

https://x.com/alex_kozora/status/1709241896642498621?s=46

Hopelessness springs eternal.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Pickett isn’t allowed to audible right? With Canada calling all the plays he is already at a disadvantage. Things have been frustrating with him at times but it’s too early to bail on him

 

[DanielPlainview]

Comparing Belichick to Tomlin is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Belichick took Tomlin to the woodshed repeatedly. Publicly stated that Tomlin’s teams just do the same thing over and over again; they’re predictable. Has like a 9-2 record against him. Not even counting the post-season success disparity. It’s like comparing Bill Walsh to Barry Switzer.