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OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

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TooManyHumans said:
Maybe babying Pickett is the way to get him to grow. Let him get good at the easy things before throwing him into the fire completely. Benton just gave an interview in which he credited Tomlin for not giving him too much all at once but easing him into a bigger role. It is possible that Tomlin is trying to walk the line between winning and growing Pickett. If Pickett shows more perhaps he will be allowed to do more. Also, Pickett has left a ton of plays out there, even if he is being protected. If he isn't even making the most of his simplified options, I am not sure why I should think the key to unlocking his potential is throwing more at him.
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Babying him has so far made him regress and he looks afraid to even throw the ball many times, so not sure how that will ever help him develop.

Self-doubt is death for any athlete in any sport.

Allowing him to audible and take more command of the offense can help build rhythm and confidence, so put more on his shoulders earlier in games and see if he can handle it.

If he can handle things in the fourth quarter when it’s do or die, he should be able to earlier in games as well.

And if he doesn’t handle it well, once again the worst that happens is they have another season without a playoff win.

That’s going to happen anyway if they stay on this same trajectory.

But at least they start to find out who KP is and this org doesn’t get stuck in a wretched Daniel Jones situation.
 
Kenny isn't a better QB prospect than Mason Rudolph was in 2019-2020.
But I think it's the right decision at this point to just ride with the mediocre prospect. The Tomlin regime is just not good for developing a solid QB at this point. The OC hire this offseason is going to be critical.
If they hire an underqualified or nepotism guy again, that shows that Tomlin/AR3 are hopeless. But I think AR3/Tomlin know that all eyes are on them about this hire, and they'll take it seriously.
 
Tomlin will never bring in someone who knows what they’re doing. If he doesn’t retain Canada he’ll bring in someone at least as bad. Maybe even Brian Ferentz.
 
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DanielPlainview said:
Tomlin will never bring in someone who knows what they’re doing. If he doesn’t retain Canada he’ll bring in someone at least as bad. Maybe even Brian Ferentz.
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I hope you're wrong, and I also think you're wrong.
Tomlin knows the perception, at least locally, is that he has willingly hired a bad OC to make himself look better. He's smart politically and will correct that.
 
ChaosAgent said:
Kenny isn't a better QB prospect than Mason Rudolph was in 2019-2020.
But I think it's the right decision at this point to just ride with the mediocre prospect. The Tomlin regime is just not good for developing a solid QB at this point. The OC hire this offseason is going to be critical.
If they hire an underqualified or nepotism guy again, that shows that Tomlin/AR3 are hopeless. But I think AR3/Tomlin know that all eyes are on them about this hire, and they'll take it seriously.
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This is too far in my opinion. Rudolph was put in a much better position in the year Ben was out compared to Pickett today and he didn't even outperform Pickett.

Rudolph averaged about the same completion% and yards/game that Pickett has averaged, while he was an absolute turnover machine (3.4% INT% with 9 INTs and 4 fumbles in 10 games) and offered no rushing upside. This was with a wildly better OC in Fichner and a modestly better OL as well.

Pickett being safe with the ball along with his running upside makes him a clearly better prospect than Rudolph was. Is that saying much? Not really IMO, because Rudolph's turnover and mobility issues cap his upside as a backup at best.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
This is too far in my opinion. Rudolph was put in a much better position in the year Ben was out compared to Pickett today and he didn't even outperform Pickett.

Rudolph averaged about the same completion% and yards/game that Pickett has averaged, while he was an absolute turnover machine (3.4% INT% with 9 INTs and 4 fumbles in 10 games) and offered no rushing upside. This was with a wildly better OC in Fichner and a modestly better OL as well.

Pickett being safe with the ball along with his running upside makes him a clearly better prospect than Rudolph was. Is that saying much? Not really IMO, because Rudolph's turnover and mobility issues cap his upside as a backup at best.
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Randy Fichtner being a "wildly better OC" than anyone is one of the more amusing things I've seen on here. He was as incompetent or worse than Canada is. He just had Ben. The fact Fichtner hasn't gotten a job anywhere since being fired by the Steelers is pretty illustrative.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
This is too far in my opinion. Rudolph was put in a much better position in the year Ben was out compared to Pickett today and he didn't even outperform Pickett.

Rudolph averaged about the same completion% and yards/game that Pickett has averaged, while he was an absolute turnover machine (3.4% INT% with 9 INTs and 4 fumbles in 10 games) and offered no rushing upside. This was with a wildly better OC in Fichner and a modestly better OL as well.

Pickett being safe with the ball along with his running upside makes him a clearly better prospect than Rudolph was. Is that saying much? Not really IMO, because Rudolph's turnover and mobility issues cap his upside as a backup at best.
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Nah, Fichtner was also trash and Pouncey/Decastro/Villeneuva were washed by 2019.
 
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ChaosAgent said:
Nah, Fichtner was also trash and Pouncey/Decastro/Villeneuva were washed by 2019.
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Fichtner was a wildly better OC than Canada just because of how awful Canada is and their OL in 2019 was still better (albeit modestly) than what they have had so far with Pickett.

There just really isn't an argument for Rudolph over Pickett in terms of prospects. Both put up the same passing stats while Rudolph is substantially more turnover prone and offers no rushing upside.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Fichtner was a wildly better OC than Canada just because of how awful Canada is and their OL in 2019 was still better (albeit modestly) than what they have had so far with Pickett.

There just really isn't an argument for Rudolph over Pickett in terms of prospects. Both put up the same passing stats while Rudolph is substantially more turnover prone and offers no rushing upside.
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Kenny Pickett has 37 yards rushing in 9 games. You just make stuff up.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Fichtner was a wildly better OC than Canada just because of how awful Canada is and their OL in 2019 was still better (albeit modestly) than what they have had so far with Pickett.

There just really isn't an argument for Rudolph over Pickett in terms of prospects. Both put up the same passing stats while Rudolph is substantially more turnover prone and offers no rushing upside.
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Rudolph throws a much more accurate deep ball.

And honestly, I'm on board with keeping Kenny and hoping he exceeds my expectations with another 1st round OL and a new OC. Just as I would have been fine with Rudolph in 2021 or 2022.
 
There's some major revisionist history when it comes to Rudolph from Steelers fans. His passing stats in 2019 have been more or less identical to Pickett's passing stats so far:

-Completion%: 62.2% for Rudolph, 62.3% for Pickett
-Yards per attempt: 6.2 for Rudolph, 6.2 for Pickett
-Adjusted yards per attempt: 5.7 for Rudolph, 5.5 for Pickett
-Yards per catch: 10.0 for Rudolph, 10.1 for Pickett
-Yards/game: 176.5 for Rudolph, 182.7 for Pickett

May Rudolph have a more accurate deep ball? Sure, but they obviously didn't use it based on the numbers. Now add on the turnover issues (13 turnovers in 8 starts) and complete lack of mobility (4.2 rushing yards per game) and I don't see any sort of legitimate argument here.
 
End of Line said:
Just win. I want my neighbors who’re Browns fans to have a sad Sunday.
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What would Mr. Rogers say to that?

Empoleon8771 said:
There's some major revisionist history when it comes to Rudolph from Steelers fans. His passing stats in 2019 have been more or less identical to Pickett's passing stats so far:

-Completion%: 62.2% for Rudolph, 62.3% for Pickett
-Yards per attempt: 6.2 for Rudolph, 6.2 for Pickett
-Adjusted yards per attempt: 5.7 for Rudolph, 5.5 for Pickett
-Yards per catch: 10.0 for Rudolph, 10.1 for Pickett
-Yards/game: 176.5 for Rudolph, 182.7 for Pickett

May Rudolph have a more accurate deep ball? Sure, but they obviously didn't use it based on the numbers. Now add on the turnover issues (13 turnovers in 8 starts) and complete lack of mobility (4.2 rushing yards per game) and I don't see any sort of legitimate argument here.
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How about touchdowns and offensive points?

It's not about Rudolph > Kenny. It is Kenny 2023 = Rudolph 2019, as you did a nice job demonstrating.
 
We’ve now hit the classic radio call-in moron who always has to argue the backup QB is better. I’ve always wondered how the hosts keep their shit together. Shots of Jager or something I imagine
 
ChaosAgent said:
How about touchdowns and offensive points?

It's not about Rudolph > Kenny. It is Kenny 2023 = Rudolph 2019, as you did a nice job demonstrating.
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Effectively equal. The Steelers offense was 27th in 2019 compared to 26th both this year and last year.

But again, the problem here is that they were equal in passing yards while Rudolph had a massive turnover problem and no running game. If two guys have equal passing stats, while one is safe with the ball and the other one turns the ball over a ton, how wouldn't the safer guy not be better?
 
DanielPlainview said:
We’ve now entertain the classic radio call-in who always thinks the backup is better type idiocy now. I’ve always wondered how the hosts keep their shit together. Shots of Jager or something I imagine
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I don't think Rudolph is currently better than Pickett. But if the fans who've made it their life mission to handwave Pickett's performance were internally consistent, it could have easily applied to Mason Rudolph 2-3 years ago.

Empoleon8771 said:
Effectively equal. The Steelers offense was 27th in 2019 compared to 26th both this year and last year.

But again, the problem here is that they were equal in passing yards while Rudolph had a massive turnover problem and no running game. If two guys have equal passing stats, while one is safe with the ball and the other one turns the ball over a ton, how wouldn't the safer guy not be better?
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Kenny has thrown plenty of INT worthy throws, but you are right that he doesn't tend to fumble and that is valuable.
 
Thompson-Robinson won’t need to do much. Hand off to Jerry Ford and he can run for a hundo again. Njoku makes me nervous too.

Also, does anyone else worry that Garrett is due for a big game against the Steelers? I think he’ll finally have one.
 
Rossi Rat said:
Thompson-Robinson won’t need to do much. Hand off to Jerry Ford and he can run for a hundo again. Njoku makes me nervous too.

Also, does anyone else worry that Garrett is due for a big game against the Steelers? I think he’ll finally have one.
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The Steelers give up running yards because they don't prioritize stopping the run. That is the correct decision. Against Cleveland, however, they will.
 
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