OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

[TimmyD]

Obviously that'd be a huge win.

They could nab their OT at 12 and with 17/32 get the best CB/WRs

Yeah that would set them up in a good spot. That could net you Skoronski/Johnson Jr, Addison and then the best available corner at 32

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Steelers corning the market on Hawaiians

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Who said Dotson wasn’t an issue?

Your points keep getting more incoherent as we go along.

You are basically trying to argue the Steelers aren’t interested in replacing Moore because…

…they didn’t try to sign a guy who was already under contract with another team.

You have some odd takes, but even by your standards, this is bizarre.

My point is they are fine with Moore and Chuks they weren’t fine with Dotson. They are more than happy with them both being the starting OT next year and if one of the 3 LT doesn’t fall to 17 they will be ok. They definitely want competition and new blood but aren’t going to trade up for a Lt

Saw an article saying we should package DJ and a 2nd rounder for #12. I want to believe that's even close to a possibility or at least have the optimism of that beat writer.

Tomlin isn’t trading DJ and isn’t setting up KP to fail with only 1 known but unproven wr in GP
Why wouldn’t the Texans just draft a wr at 12

Yeah that would set them up in a good spot. That could net you Skoronski/Johnson Jr, Addison and then the best available corner at 32

Addison is slower than juju they aren’t taking him before round 3

 

[Captain Hook]

Keanu Neal is an interesting signing. Feels like he's been around forever. I thought he'd be older but he's still only 27. Seems like that's your big body, box safety, Terrell Edmunds replacement. Not a flashy guy but will do some of the dirty work like Edmunds did.

 

[Peat]

If they brought in guys to replace Dotson, who wasn’t as bad as Moore in pass protection, and they chased Brown, it’s obvious they want to upgrade on Moore.

Once Brown was gone, there was no sense chasing anyone else. The LT market was basically Brown and a bunch of Moore clones (and worse).

It's obvious to you because you think Moore is their worse OL.

It's not obvious to me because I keep reading stuff that suggests they don't think that.

Steelers sign Dlineman B Fehoko. He replaces Tyson A right? He was so bad last season

Dunno. Guy feels like depth. Don't think he gets more than a shot in training camp alongside Adams.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Tomlin isn’t trading DJ and isn’t setting up KP to fail with only 1 known but unproven wr in GP
Why wouldn’t the Texans just draft a wr at 12

Yea I agree with this. While we can all be annoyed with DJ, he's the only guy who can consistently get open vs press. That's a boon for any young QB. I'm not interested in sending out DJ this season. Next offseason, yea probably wise to part ways.

If in some weird world they trade DJ, they'll surely draft his replacement or they'll look to run more 2 TE sets to help KP

 

[xlm34]

Yea I agree with this. While we can all be annoyed with DJ, he's the only guy who can consistently get open vs press. That's a boon for any young QB. I'm not interested in sending out DJ this season. Next offseason, yea probably wise to part ways.

If in some weird world they trade DJ, they'll surely draft his replacement or they'll look to run more 2 TE sets to help KP

Yeah I just don’t see reason for trading him this year. Going into next year with a rookie, Pickens, and Austin as the receiving group is pretty risky.

Plus I don’t think this team is really in a position to create any unnecessary holes on the roster. They still have a lot of areas that need to be improved in the draft. WR is probably one even with DJ on the team.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Did Tyson A even play last season? I thought he was basically a healthy scratch the entire season. Like, they already made the choice, he will not be part of the team.

On the DJ and #32 for #12. I guess I have to understand what the plans are for #12. If the thought is, that is where you take a LT. What happens if all three tackles are taken by then? That could happen. Anybody from 7 to 11 could take one. I think it is a guarantee that the Bears and Titans take one. Thus that leaves one left over, what if it is a guy the Steelers don't want?

Now if the thought is to take the best player available from CB/LT. Then maybe. But that seems to be against what Weidl likes to do, the CB part. Now if Jalen Carter somehow slipped that far, then yeah, do it. But I don't see it happening. Watching that Roseman interview, there is no way he makes it past 10. I don't think Houston would make the trade anyways if Carter was there.

Overall, I know I am in the minority but I wouldn't make that trade until the day of the draft knowing who is available at 12. And even then, I'm not sure I would do it if it involved the 32. Because, even after making that pick, the team is left with Pickens and a question mark and a bunch of meh for Kenny to throw to. Unless the plan is to take the best WR at 17, if not, then you have to hope a guy they like is at 49.

Overall, imo, this is not the draft to trade a WR when the draft is considered to be a poor draft for WRs. I also don't like hampering KP's offseason advancement by taking away one of the guys he is working with all offseason.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

My point is they are fine with Moore and Chuks they weren’t fine with Dotson. They are more than happy with them both being the starting OT next year and if one of the 3 LT doesn’t fall to 17 they will be ok. They definitely want competition and new blood but aren’t going to trade up for a Lt


Tomlin isn’t trading DJ and isn’t setting up KP to fail with only 1 known but unproven wr in GP
Why wouldn’t the Texans just draft a wr at 12


Addison is slower than juju they aren’t taking him before round 3

We don’t know if they were fine with Moore. The free agent pool dictated they were going to have much more luck pursuing IOL.

There were more quality IOL available in FA, so they more easily found a couple Dotson replacements.

At LT there was literally one guy and a bunch of scrap heap parts.

They pursued Brown, because either they wanted to overpay to replace Chuks (not likely) or their LT who was their worst pass protector.

It’s again, not difficult to read the writing on the wall.

It's obvious to you because you think Moore is their worse OL.

It's not obvious to me because I keep reading stuff that suggests they don't think that.



Dunno. Guy feels like depth. Don't think he gets more than a shot in training camp alongside Adams.

The Steelers aren’t going to come out and full frontal attack a player on their roster.

What good does that do?

I don’t have to “think” Moore is their worst pass protector when he gave up the most combined pressures and sacks.

Maybe the Steelers new regime doesn’t believe in the conventional wisdom of not playing Russian Roulette with a QBs blindside.

Maybe they chased the only legit LT FA worth pursuing because they wanted to over pay for a RT.

I prefer to give the new regime credit for their intelligence (Tomlin as well) and not assume implausible scenarios.

 

[Pengwins]

Did Tyson A even play last season? I thought he was basically a healthy scratch the entire season. Like, they already made the choice, he will not be part of the team.
.

he played a couple games and was horrible

 

[Coastal Kev]

he played a couple games and was horrible

The question I have is how did the FO & Coaches not see this coming ? Keeping him for an entire season probably cost them a playoff spot.

 

[lastcupever75]

Saw an article saying we should package DJ and a 2nd rounder for #12. I want to believe that's even close to a possibility or at least have the optimism of that beat writer.

That’s where we could have been drafting if not for the ‘tomlin bowl’ this team was playing for late in the year.

 

[lastcupever75]

We don’t know if they were fine with Moore. The free agent pool dictated they were going to have much more luck pursuing IOL.

There were more quality IOL available in FA, so they more easily found a couple Dotson replacements.

At LT there was literally one guy and a bunch of scrap heap parts.

They pursued Brown, because either they wanted to overpay to replace Chuks (not likely) or their LT who was their worst pass protector.

It’s again, not difficult to read the writing on the wall.



The Steelers aren’t going to come out and full frontal attack a player on their roster.

What good does that do?

I don’t have to “think” Moore is their worst pass protector when he gave up the most combined pressures and sacks.

Maybe the Steelers new regime doesn’t believe in the conventional wisdom of not playing Russian Roulette with a QBs blindside.

Maybe they chased the only legit LT FA worth pursuing because they wanted to over pay for a RT.

I prefer to give the new regime credit for their intelligence (Tomlin as well) and not assume implausible scenarios.

Reportedly. They were all into OT/OL prospects at the senior bowl and combine.
They’ve addressed the interior OL in free agency.

I would be more then surprise if they don’t take an OT with one of their first 3 picks.

 

[xlm34]

That’s where we could have been drafting if not for the ‘tomlin bowl’ this team was playing for late in the year.

What Pickett showed down the stretch is infinitely more important for this team than being 5 spots higher in the draft.

 

[Peat]

The Steelers aren’t going to come out and full frontal attack a player on their roster.

What good does that do?

I don’t have to “think” Moore is their worst pass protector when he gave up the most combined pressures and sacks.

Maybe the Steelers new regime doesn’t believe in the conventional wisdom of not playing Russian Roulette with a QBs blindside.

Maybe they chased the only legit LT FA worth pursuing because they wanted to over pay for a RT.

I prefer to give the new regime credit for their intelligence (Tomlin as well) and not assume implausible scenarios.

They don't attack players but they don't really hide when they're not happy. They don't come across as unhappy. Beat reporters hearing what Tomlin is saying in person don't think they're unhappy. Big Ben brought up on his podcast that he thinks they liked Moore, and that he did. Which strikes me as a bit bizarre, but there we go.

Look, we know they're interested in upgrading at OT. But we don't know how desperate they are do it, how high they're willing to move up to do it. I think, given how the noise is going, the answer might be not that desperate. Maybe a 3rd to get to 12th if the right guy is there. They've shown interest in all the three top OT in the draft, but not overwhelming save for Paris Johnson. Dawand Jones is the only pre-draft visit by an OT we know of so far; they've got more IOL visits lined up than OT (at least publicly known).

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

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They don't attack players but they don't really hide when they're not happy. They don't come across as unhappy. Beat reporters hearing what Tomlin is saying in person don't think they're unhappy. Big Ben brought up on his podcast that he thinks they liked Moore, and that he did. Which strikes me as a bit bizarre, but there we go.

Look, we know they're interested in upgrading at OT. But we don't know how desperate they are do it, how high they're willing to move up to do it. I think, given how the noise is going, the answer might be not that desperate. Maybe a 3rd to get to 12th if the right guy is there. They've shown interest in all the three top OT in the draft, but not overwhelming save for Paris Johnson. Dawand Jones is the only pre-draft visit by an OT we know of so far; they've got more IOL visits lined up than OT (at least publicly known).

Tomlin said he was “comfortable” last off-season with MR, said how he was a “hard working and respectable guy, etc” then they went out and signed MT and drafted KP.

He just said about his Ts when asked if he’s happy with the position “that happy is a dangerous word” and he’s “comfortable” with them.

That’s code for we want to upgrade but if we can’t we will get by with this guy.

Is not an accident Tomlin said that and they pursued Brown/have been heavily scouting LTs for the draft.

I don’t think the Steelers are desperate to get a LT, because they can “get by” with Moore.

However, Kahn is a self-described “aggressive GM” and he’s lived up to that billing:

- made the biggest trade deadline deal in org history
- completely nukes his ILB room
- doubled down on replacing Dotson
- pursued a big name LT FA

He recently said he wants to be aggressive and move up… that they are actively monitoring teams in front of them and their needs.

So given his body of work in his short time as GM, I’m going to take him at his word he wants to be aggressive.

Maybe he wants a corner instead… maybe he won’t find a dance partner (likely).

I think though, he wants to finish up remaking his O-line and wants to be aggressive because he knows the top three LT will likely be gone at 17.

 

[Andy99]

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Tomlin said he was “comfortable” last off-season with MR, said how he was a “hard working and respectable guy, etc” then they went out and signed MT and drafted KP.

He just said about his Ts when asked if he’s happy with the position “that happy is a dangerous word” and he’s “comfortable” with them.

That’s code for we want to upgrade but if we can’t we will get by with this guy.

Is not an accident Tomlin said that and they pursued Brown/have been heavily scouting LTs for the draft.

I don’t think the Steelers are desperate to get a LT, because they can “get by” with Moore.

However, Kahn is a self-described “aggressive GM” and he’s lived up to that billing:

- made the biggest trade deadline deal in org history
- completely nukes his ILB room
- doubled down on replacing Dotson
- pursued a big name LT FA

He recently said he wants to be aggressive and move up… that they are actively monitoring teams in front of them and their needs.

So given his body of work in his short time as GM, I’m going to take him at his word he wants to be aggressive.

Maybe he wants a corner instead… maybe he won’t find a dance partner (likely).

I think though, he wants to finish up remaking his O-line and wants to be aggressive because he knows the top three LT will likely be gone at 17.

I’m not huge on moving up unless it’s a really big difference maker…don’t see that they’ll be able to move up enough for that and I don’t see the top three tackles in this class as being that special…don’t think any one corner stands out either…most of the special DL will be gone early and I don’t want to give up one of our four top 80 picks for that…

 

[The Old Master]

On the DJ and #32 for #12. I guess I have to understand what the plans are for #12. If the thought is, that is where you take a LT. What happens if all three tackles are taken by then? That could happen. Anybody from 7 to 11 could take one. I think it is a guarantee that the Bears and Titans take one. Thus that leaves one left over, what if it is a guy the Steelers don't want?

I'm sure if this is what we are going to do, it would be a mid-draft trade. it wouldn't be made till it was time to pick and if the guy we want is still on the board.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

The question I have is how did the FO & Coaches not see this coming ? Keeping him for an entire season probably cost them a playoff spot.

I can't really blame them for this. No one can predict when the wheels completely fall off. They did take steps the previous drafts by drafting Loudermilk (who doesn't seem to be panning out) and Leal

 

[Peat]

I’m not huge on moving up unless it’s a really big difference maker…don’t see that they’ll be able to move up enough for that and I don’t see the top three tackles in this class as being that special…don’t think any one corner stands out either…most of the special DL will be gone early and I don’t want to give up one of our four top 80 picks for that…

Thing is, even an above average LT is a difference maker, and one on a rookie contract is a really big difference maker. Pretty much the only reliable way to get a shot at one of them is to be in the first 12 or so picks and if things go according to plan, this could be the highest the Steelers pick for a few years.

I think the idea does at least merit thought.

I can also see merit to the idea of looking to make a small jump to 15 or so just to get the last of the top 3 CBs before they go off the table. But, if we're looking at where their scouting's going, they've got a lot of day 2 CBs coming in for visits.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I can't really blame them for this. No one can predict when the wheels completely fall off. They did take steps the previous drafts by drafting Loudermilk (who doesn't seem to be panning out) and Leal

True, but he was aging with a terrible leg injury. Loved him the years prior, but it didn't take an all knowing soothsayer to think keeping him one more year was risky. I wouldnt have minded if they were stout everywhere else on the line. But Loudermilk & Wormley were way below sub par, Adams was par at best.

Amazing that Defense played decent with the holes at DL and LB last season.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The question I have is how did the FO & Coaches not see this coming ? Keeping him for an entire season probably cost them a playoff spot.

So he finished the season 3rd in snap percentage on the dl wormley was 4th. They drafted leal and loudermilk so they saw it coming but louder was lost and Leal played some olb

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I’m not huge on moving up unless it’s a really big difference maker…don’t see that they’ll be able to move up enough for that and I don’t see the top three tackles in this class as being that special…don’t think any one corner stands out either…most of the special DL will be gone early and I don’t want to give up one of our four top 80 picks for that…

I feel like all three LT prospects could be potential Pro Bowler types that can lock that position down for 7-8 years.

Not franchise guys, but they are impossible to find anyway.

Is upgrading on Moore and potentially keep KP from getting brained again worth say, the 17th 49th pick?

For me, hell ya.

If KP develops like I think, they will never be this close to drafting a blue chip LT.

If they don’t get one now, it could be a revolving door for years and ya I know whomever they get could bust, but my point still stands.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

No holding back for Steelers HC Mike Tomlin on Kevin Dotson: 'He's done nothing to earn first-team reps'

Mike Tomlin said Kevin Dotson has done nothing to earn first-team reps.

steelerswire.usatoday.com

This was a five alarm fire they fixed by signing 2 starters in 2 years and a guy who Andy says is a starter because they don’t like what Dotson put on tape.
All the top LT this draft class questions yes they will bring in competition they only have 3 OT on the roster but it wasn’t as bad as Dotson

'I Have To Listen Harder': Kevin Dotson Explains Sack That Led To Kenny Pickett's Injury

In a loud, fast-paced environment like on the field during an NFL game in a heated rivalry, it can be hard to hear and process quickly what your ears may or may not be hearing, like a snap count or a call within the offense. For third-year Pittsburgh Steelers left guard Kevin Dotson, that’s what […]

steelersdepot.com

 

[Peat]

I also think if the Steelers are telegraphing their interest in any one OT, its Dawand Jones.