OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Super Bowl? Thats like a giant pot of chips or popcorn right?

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

Lol

 

[Coastal Kev]

Lol

When you're inside the club, you get whatever you want.

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Morehouse was brought on to help the Steelers with a new Stadium/Stadium Improvements.

People acting like he will have any affect on the team are idiots.

 

[JTG]

Totally believe in that, honestly.

 

[xlm34]

Lol

Slimy looking dude, but I think Morehouse is legitimately good at what he does.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Lol

Everything's coming up Moorehouse!

 

[JTG]

Morehouse is deeply tied with the Democrats in the city. Both the Steelers and Pirates want to get things developed on the North Shore. He's a good guy to have in your pocket.

 

[JTG]

Make him a MLB. Do those ridiculously creative zone blitz schemes again.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Morehouse is deeply tied with the Democrats in the city. Both the Steelers and Pirates want to get things developed on the North Shore. He's a good guy to have in your pocket.

That was his background before the Pens wasn't it? He was close with Burkle who was closely tied to national democratic politics. Pretty much zero sports experience when he got the job. Now of course he has a ton of experience.

 

[Peat]

Make him a MLB. Do those ridiculously creative zone blitz schemes again.

Khan's said they're going to use him as both. Which makes sense to me. They need OLB depth. The ILB room isn't much deeper. Get him on the pitch, see how it goes, make decisions about him when you have to.

I'm getting increasingly intrigued by him. Pure athletic profile, I struggle to see where he fits on the football pitch. He is very fast for an edge rusher, but is otherwise small with short arms and lacks a huge amount of explosion or agility. Stick him at ILB and his size is fine but he lacks the twitchiness of a guy like Elandon Roberts.

But that production is real. The technique, brains and desire is there. And while he's not an ideal athletic profile for either, he's not an awful athlete at either either.

The more I dig at him, the more I get both skeptical and intrigued about him. I won't be surprised if he's STs only. I won't be surprised if he ends up a multi-tool linebacker who gets his. Think it could be a lot of fun to find out.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The whole thing about Herbig not having the appropriate size to be an effective OLB in the NFL reminds me of Pickett not having the appropriate hand size to be an effective QB in the NFL. Who knows if he can succeed in the NFL, but I think some (mostly elsewhere) make a bit too much of an emphasis on measurables instead of actual results.

It's kinda similar to a UFC fighter who has a reach disadvantage against his opponent. It's a disadvantage but that doesn't mean he can't be successful, you know?

 

[JTG]

That was his background before the Pens wasn't it? He was close with Burkle who was closely tied to national democratic politics. Pretty much zero sports experience when he got the job. Now of course he has a ton of experience.

Correct. I know he really helped Mario get political stuff through for the arena. I never really understood how that lead to Morehouse moving into the front office though. My buddies and I always said it was the greatest thank you of all time putting him in a 7 figure job that he seemed to be wildly unqualified for.

Khan's said they're going to use him as both. Which makes sense to me. They need OLB depth. The ILB room isn't much deeper. Get him on the pitch, see how it goes, make decisions about him when you have to.

I'm getting increasingly intrigued by him. Pure athletic profile, I struggle to see where he fits on the football pitch. He is very fast for an edge rusher, but is otherwise small with short arms and lacks a huge amount of explosion or agility. Stick him at ILB and his size is fine but he lacks the twitchiness of a guy like Elandon Roberts.

But that production is real. The technique, brains and desire is there. And while he's not an ideal athletic profile for either, he's not an awful athlete at either either.

The more I dig at him, the more I get both skeptical and intrigued about him. I won't be surprised if he's STs only. I won't be surprised if he ends up a multi-tool linebacker who gets his. Think it could be a lot of fun to find out.

I'm really intrigued by him. And you can look at the measurables and be kind of underwhelmed, but to me, he's just a football player. His brother is much of the same. It's funny that you said Elandon Roberts because I have been thinking to myself, "He's a younger Cole Holcomb."

His production is very real, and it's proven. He isn't a flash in the pan. Dude did it for years in college and did it against some really good Big Ten tackles. That video above, he smoked Paris Johnson.

He's one of those dudes I just don't bet against. Sometimes things just don't make sense, but they work out. He's like a Tasmanian devil. I just picture him running stunts with TJ and QBs getting obliterated.

 

[Pengwins]

James Harrison was not ideal size for OLB and he was a beast

 

[xlm34]

I’ve seen some people suggest that Leal can be your early down EDGE substitute and Herbig can sub in more obvious passing situations which makes sense to me, at least initially.

I’m actually really curious what they end up doing with both Leal and Herbig.

 

[Peat]

The whole thing about Herbig not having the appropriate size to be an effective OLB in the NFL reminds me of Pickett not having the appropriate hand size to be an effective QB in the NFL. Who knows if he can succeed in the NFL, but I think some (mostly elsewhere) make a bit too much of an emphasis on measurables instead of actual results.

It's kinda similar to a UFC fighter who has a reach disadvantage against his opponent. It's a disadvantage but that doesn't mean he can't be successful, you know?

I am still working my way through what matters and what doesn't with NFL prospects - probably the first year I followed the draft closely - but there seems to be a ton of correlation between athleticism and results in Edge Runners. Much more than QB.

I also think that with Herbig it's not just the size - and it's not just the arms - and it's not just the lack of elite explosiveness/agility - it's all of them.

But there we go. Lets find out what speed and hands can do.

I'm really intrigued by him. And you can look at the measurables and be kind of underwhelmed, but to me, he's just a football player. His brother is much of the same. It's funny that you said Elandon Roberts because I have been thinking to myself, "He's a younger Cole Holcomb."

His production is very real, and it's proven. He isn't a flash in the pan. Dude did it for years in college and did it against some really good Big Ten tackles. That video above, he smoked Paris Johnson.

He's one of those dudes I just don't bet against. Sometimes things just don't make sense, but they work out. He's like a Tasmanian devil. I just picture him running stunts with TJ and QBs getting obliterated.

Oh I'm not going by video at all, just been looking up athletic profiles to see who he compares to. Didn't do Holcomb as I knew he was a lot slower over 40, but Holcomb is a ton more explosive and agile. Elite ILB profile, fwiw.

I did just watch some video of Herbig though to get a better feeling for him. Just runs straight past some OTs like they're not there. Kinda curious to see him vs Jones in camp.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Morehouse was brought on to help the Steelers with a new Stadium/Stadium Improvements.

People acting like he will have any affect on the team are idiots.

Is the team looking to build a new stadium already?

 

[OnMyOwn]

Three Rivers made it 30 years before it was demolished. 30 years is fast approaching for Heinz. Though stadiums can make it much longer as long as money is poured into them.

 

[Captain Hook]

Make him a MLB. Do those ridiculously creative zone blitz schemes again.

He's an interesting player. I actually wouldn't mind seeing what he can do at OLB first because it's hard to ignore all the production he had playing at that position in college but the fact he seems versatile enough to move to MLB is a big plus. I wouldn't mind them moving him around and seeing what he can do at a few positions. He seems like a safe bet to be a useful player either way since it's hard to imagine him not being a good special teamer to go along with whatever depth he can give you at either OLB or MLB.

It's been a while since we've had one of those truly versatile OLB/MLB. Chad Brown was really good at that way back in the 90's and Timmons did some of that in the 2000's. Although I thought Timmons was far better at MLB despite being originally drafted as an OLB and even playing OLB some when other guys got injured throughout the early part of his career.

 

[Peat]

Just backtracking to this

1) The general acceptance and encouragement of nepotism in the NFL fascinates me. It's just the natural order in a way that would be considered utterly suspect in British sport.

2) The extent to which I'm seeing some fans elsewhere pretend Tomlin didn't say what he said, or that nobody's ever claimed the Steelers weren't recruiting these guys solely on playing merit, is equally fascinating.

3) Hearing Tomlin lay it out, I'm not sure he's entirely wrong. Like the stuff about the athleticism and the competitiveness, I don't agree. Just trust your scouts. If the guys have got it you don't need their last name to know it, if you have to dig deep to find evidence then accept it's probably not there. But the stuff about the emotional impact, using it as a shortcut to building good vibes in the locker room? I'll buy that. Nothing beats winning but every little extra helps.

I do worry at times that they talk themselves into believing in the playing talent of guys they want when if those family ties weren't there they wouldn't be able to do it, but that's case by case. Derek Watt didn't perform 3m's worth of work, but so far Connor Heyward is well worth a 6th rounder.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Is the team looking to build a new stadium already?

I think they will be yes. Acrisure/Heinz never was great and when you look at it compared the new stadiums it is kindof a dump. Very basic.

The interesting thing is that the space down there is very limited. I don't think they could build a new stadium next to it. Tus if they decide to tear down and rebuild on that site, where do they play in the mean time? Where does Pitt play? There isn't another big stadium within a reasonable amount time. I'm not sure I could see them playing in Cleveland or Penn State.

There is some discussion that the Steelers may want to move outside the city, to somewhere like the Cranberry area and own the land, own the parking and have a reduction in taxes. But obviously that moves it farther away for people in other parts of the city. But it does allow them to build a new stadium while still playing in the old one.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Make him a MLB. Do those ridiculously creative zone blitz schemes again.

Intrigued by the player but mostly I just miss the creative zone blitzes.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I am still working my way through what matters and what doesn't with NFL prospects - probably the first year I followed the draft closely - but there seems to be a ton of correlation between athleticism and results in Edge Runners. Much more than QB.

I also think that with Herbig it's not just the size - and it's not just the arms - and it's not just the lack of elite explosiveness/agility - it's all of them.

But there we go. Lets find out what speed and hands can do.



Oh I'm not going by video at all, just been looking up athletic profiles to see who he compares to. Didn't do Holcomb as I knew he was a lot slower over 40, but Holcomb is a ton more explosive and agile. Elite ILB profile, fwiw.

I did just watch some video of Herbig though to get a better feeling for him. Just runs straight past some OTs like they're not there. Kinda curious to see him vs Jones in camp.

For the most part, the evaluation process works. But there is a seeming gap now and then between what is focused on at times based on the flavor of the moment. Especially with Quarterback. The focus on athleticism over basic things such as accuracy, and especially reads, is a glaring error in my opinion and has caused some massive misses.

But it is a very legitimate concern whether someone who has dominated in college, and who is undersized, will perform in a league where everyone is an All-Star and everyone is loaded with athletic ability.

As it applies to Herbig, he is hardly that much smaller than the norm. In that case the biases toward having the exact 'perfect' measurements likely led to the Steelers getting extremely good value.

 

[JTG]

He's an interesting player. I actually wouldn't mind seeing what he can do at OLB first because it's hard to ignore all the production he had playing at that position in college but the fact he seems versatile enough to move to MLB is a big plus. I wouldn't mind them moving him around and seeing what he can do at a few positions. He seems like a safe bet to be a useful player either way since it's hard to imagine him not being a good special teamer to go along with whatever depth he can give you at either OLB or MLB.

It's been a while since we've had one of those truly versatile OLB/MLB. Chad Brown was really good at that way back in the 90's and Timmons did some of that in the 2000's. Although I thought Timmons was far better at MLB despite being originally drafted as an OLB and even playing OLB some when other guys got injured throughout the early part of his career.

Timmons is actually a really good case study for Herbig because Timmons was an OLB, granted a 4-3 OLB where Herbig was a 3-4 OLB.

I want this defense to get back to the zone blitz scheme where QBs thought 17 guys were on the field playing defense.

 

[WickedWrister]

Just backtracking to this

1) The general acceptance and encouragement of nepotism in the NFL fascinates me. It's just the natural order in a way that would be considered utterly suspect in British sport.

2) The extent to which I'm seeing some fans elsewhere pretend Tomlin didn't say what he said, or that nobody's ever claimed the Steelers weren't recruiting these guys solely on playing merit, is equally fascinating.

3) Hearing Tomlin lay it out, I'm not sure he's entirely wrong. Like the stuff about the athleticism and the competitiveness, I don't agree. Just trust your scouts. If the guys have got it you don't need their last name to know it, if you have to dig deep to find evidence then accept it's probably not there. But the stuff about the emotional impact, using it as a shortcut to building good vibes in the locker room? I'll buy that. Nothing beats winning but every little extra helps.

I do worry at times that they talk themselves into believing in the playing talent of guys they want when if those family ties weren't there they wouldn't be able to do it, but that's case by case. Derek Watt didn't perform 3m's worth of work, but so far Connor Heyward is well worth a 6th rounder.

The one component that you didn't consider was that this was just an elaborate ploy to lure JJ out of retirement.