Any suggestions? No. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't make changes. Things weren't working under Shero and Bylsma, so the Penguins made changes. We don't yet know what the outcome of those changes will be, but we do know things with Shero and Bylsma weren't working. With the Steelers, we know things aren't working with Art II as team president and Tomlin as head coach. A change needs to be made when things aren't working.
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Any suggestions? No. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't make changes. Things weren't working under Shero and Bylsma, so the Penguins made changes. We don't yet know what the outcome of those changes will be, but we do know things with Shero and Bylsma weren't working. With the Steelers, we know things aren't working with Art II as team president and Tomlin as head coach. A change needs to be made when things aren't working.
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From a semi-outsiders perspective (I only casually follow football) it seems like the Steelers are tearing big chunks of pages out of the Penguins playbook from seasons past. In particular regarding discipline, preparedness and playing down to the competition. Also dashes of bad drafting, hanging on to the wrong guys too long and a FO seemingly scared ****less to do anything about any of it.
Tomlin and Bylsma are also both equally gifted when it comes to stupid soundbites/cliches. Or the art of talking (mumbling with a mouth full of water, in Disco's case) a whole bunch while not actually saying anything substantial.
Bell seems like an absolute beast, though. Very nearly a 100/150 game from him.
Tomlin and Bylsma are also both equally gifted when it comes to stupid soundbites/cliches. Or the art of talking (mumbling with a mouth full of water, in Disco's case) a whole bunch while not actually saying anything substantial.
Bell seems like an absolute beast, though. Very nearly a 100/150 game from him.
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Ravens and Browns lost, and Steelers still have Cincy on their schedule twice.
They don't really deserve the division after once again losing to an inferior team, but sadly they can still win it if they run the table _______ (insert joke here).
They don't really deserve the division after once again losing to an inferior team, but sadly they can still win it if they run the table _______ (insert joke here).
This I agree with. Make the move at the end of the season. We do not have anybody right now I would trust to run the team. Although if you put Lebeau in charge of the team, somebody else would be making the defensive calls.
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Our drafting from Cowher to Tomlin.
1st round picks under Cowher: Seriously, look at this list!!!
2000-Plex
2001-Hampton
2002-Simmons
2003-Troy
2004-Ben
2005-Heath
2006-Santonio
Tomlin:
2007-Timmons; good pick
2008-Mendenhalll; lol
2009-Hood; lol
2010-Pouncey; hey a good pick!
2011-Heyward; was a beast at the end of last year, hasn't made that step I thought he would.
2012-Decastro; eh mixed results.
2013-Jarvis; lol
2014-Shazier; we'll see. I have high hopes for him
What makes you believe that he is better than Tomlin? Based on what I have seen, he is even more incompetent with time management than Tomlin. As far as a defensive minded coach, that is true, but he seems like he is only a defensive coordinator.
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Cowher apparently didn't even want to draft Roth, and he wanted Andrews, the OL.
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I don't even think it is the SB win, really. It's just the "Rooney Way".
They rarely fire coaches (3 in 44 years).
Noll was kept around for over a decade after his last SB as the team was mired in mediocrity.
Tomlin has to really bottom out, say 4-12 for a couple of years, and I don't see that happening while Roth is around.
That may be true about Noll, but I just don't see any comparisons between him and Tomlin. Tomlin is a total circus act, and over the last three seasons it's become more and more clear he's lost the team.
Probably doesn't help that Tomlin can't even pick his own coordinators. Seriously, if you were a player and you knew your head coach wasn't even allowed to pick his own coordinators, would you look at the coach as being the boss, or just some puppet?
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I mean weren't the Jets just in 2-3 AFC championships in a row? With Sanchez leading the way.. he definitely overachieved with those teams.
Didn't know Cowher didn't want Roth, regardless..
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I'm not going to argue, as I agree. However, Tomlin just isn't getting fired.
Be honest with yourself and do you think it is going to happen?
He will have to maybe fire some of his staff, but that is about it.
Cowher was a tool that choked again and again like his mentor Marty, then he almost took an OL over a HOF QB until Rooney overruled his stupidity, thankfully.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...hing-style-is-more-risky/stories/200710070257
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Eh atleast Cowher was in a position to choke. Tomlin just goes 8-8 then goes on vaca for 3 months.
Though I guess we could say he choked against the Jags in 2000whatever (Garrard) and against the TIM TEBOW led Broncos.
Though I guess we could say he choked against the Jags in 2000whatever (Garrard) and against the TIM TEBOW led Broncos.
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Maybe, who knows. He cut his teeth on the Tampa 2, which ironically is what the Steelers ran in the 70s and Dungy brought to TB.
So I'm sure he would lean that way on defense.
Either way, I think he is an avg coach that tries to use big words to sound smarter than he actually is.
Cowher was probably a better coach than Tomlin, but neither are guys I'd consider great coaches despite each winning a SB.
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I always thought Cowher was a dufus. He was lucky to get to his first Super Bowl (although they were beaten by a better team), and I thought he was outcoached in the Seattle game. However, I will say, his drafting was good (to the extent he was involved, one can debate), plus he seemed to be a great motivator.
I agree with you about Tomlin; he's not going anywhere for awhile. 8-8 is the new standard.
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I would agree with that.
It sucks, with Ben at qb, we're never going to have a 'bad' year. Just mediocre ones where you can say 'oh if we got a bounce here' or 'if we weren't hit with the injury bug.'
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