OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Steelers need a new ball thrower for the handball game thingy

[Double-Shift Lasse]

This is really interesting. He’s a good coach at that level (I think he did well as a HC too but not everyone would agree) and adding him to staff is a nice deal.

 

[OnMyOwn]

Just have to wonder how it’ll impact Minkah. Flores was the reason he wanted out if i recall.

I wonder if they talked with him at all or just outright hired Flores? Minkah is a big part of the future so I’d hope they did their diligence.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

Flores was a good HC. I'm surprised he took such a downgrade.
Hopefully he replaces Austin as DC soon.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I don't understand this from Flores' POV at all, when combined with the lawsuit.

Like you're suing a league for discrimination, then you take a mid-level job in said league? He should be HC or all the way out.

Meanwhile it distracts from our urgent need to send Matt Canada to Mars.

 

[Captain Hook]

Love the Flores hire. I am a bit surprised the Steelers took him on with the lawsuits and drama between Flores and their fellow NFL teams still ongoing but Flores can really coach. Great addition to their staff.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Well, yea. We knew that already. Until they draft their next “guy” it’s gonna be FA reclamation types coming in. We aren’t trading for a stud or spending 40 mil a year on a top flight FA…if one even goes to FA.

I agree about not getting a stud via trade or FA, but I’d rather roll with Rudolph and Haskins than bring in a Kent Graham type disaster waiting to happen guy.

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This was a nice surprise to catch on ESPN.

 

[Captain Hook]

Flores may be just the right personality to challenge and get through to Devin Bush. That would be huge for the defense going forward.

 

[Joejosh999]

Does Minkah hate him?

 

[DanielPlainview]

I assume he’s not going to be in charge of the secondary

Puzzling after they made such a limp hire for OL coach

 

[Pens1566]

I don't understand this from Flores' POV at all, when combined with the lawsuit.

Like you're suing a league for discrimination, then you take a mid-level job in said league? He should be HC or all the way out.

Meanwhile it distracts from our urgent need to send Matt Canada to Mars.

He could spin it as proof in his favor as well, given the circumstances here.

That said, I like the hire just in football terms.

 

[USMC607]

He could spin it as proof in his favor as well, given the circumstances here.

That said, I like the hire just in football terms.

Agreed. For all the other nonsense surrounding him and his lawsuit.

This is a win regardless for us.

Dude is a good coach and defensive mind.

I wouldnt be surprised if this move was made as a possible future move as well for HC when Tomlin hangs it up.

Steelers normally go after younger guys but Flores is 9 yrs younger than Tomlin.

Cowher only did 14 yrs with us before he retired.

Tomlin is at what 15 now? Bens gone, Colbert is about to be out the door. We are staring a moderate retool in the face. I wonder if Tomlin is gonna be up for years of that.

He may wannabe one of those dudes that coaches until he's old and gray. But I think the end is coming sooner than later.

I guess we will see.

 

[JTG]

We are getting into the Kent Graham days already…

Yeah, we are, and that is what it is. I'd rather take a swing at a young guy like Trubisky who was a 2nd overall pick . He has been in awful situations in his career. He's worth the shot, just like Haskins was. I don't see any of these QBs in the draft being any better, so unless we swing a trade for Rodgers or Wilson or Jimmy G, this is where we are at.

 

[OnMyOwn]

Agreed. For all the other nonsense surrounding him and his lawsuit.

This is a win regardless for us.

Dude is a good coach and defensive mind.

I wouldnt be surprised if this move was made as a possible future move as well for HC when Tomlin hangs it up.

Steelers normally go after younger guys but Flores is 9 yrs younger than Tomlin.

Cowher only did 14 yrs with us before he retired.

Tomlin is at what 15 now? Bens gone, Colbert is about to be out the door. We are staring a moderate retool in the face. I wonder if Tomlin is gonna be up for years of that.

He may wannabe one of those dudes that coaches until he's old and gray. But I think the end is coming sooner than later.

I guess we will see.

Flores could also be one and done with us. I hope not, but once the dust settles he’ll probably (rightfully) get another HC job.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Flores could also be one and done with us. I hope not, but once the dust settles he’ll probably (rightfully) get another HC job.

And if so we get 2 draft picks so it’s a win either way. He is getting paid by Miami for the next 2 years he could have easily sat out this year and done tv if he can reach bush like he did Hightower that would be worth the one year stop

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Yeah, we are, and that is what it is. I'd rather take a swing at a young guy like Trubisky who was a 2nd overall pick . He has been in awful situations in his career. He's worth the shot, just like Haskins was. I don't see any of these QBs in the draft being any better, so unless we swing a trade for Rodgers or Wilson or Jimmy G, this is where we are at.

MT keeps you mediocre and so does any realistic option they have - none of these guys they bring in will make a difference.

MT isn’t suddenly turning into a franchise guy - that never happens when a guy starts moving around.

I don’t see a point in fooling yourself into thinking you are building something with a mediocre, journeyman QB.

It just keeps them on that hamster wheel for years on end.

I get they will bring in another guy as competition, but you invested a third in Rudolph so roll with him and hope for the worst.

That’s the only realistic way off the potential 15-25 year run without a franchise guy like the last time.

 

[xlm34]

Yeah, we are, and that is what it is. I'd rather take a swing at a young guy like Trubisky who was a 2nd overall pick . He has been in awful situations in his career. He's worth the shot, just like Haskins was. I don't see any of these QBs in the draft being any better, so unless we swing a trade for Rodgers or Wilson or Jimmy G, this is where we are at.

I really hope they don’t trade for Jimmy G. To me that’s one of the worst options they could go with. Trading a second or third while losing 20+ million in cap space all for a year of Jimmy G would be really short sighted in my opinion.

 

[JTG]

MT keeps you mediocre and so does any realistic option they have - none of these guys they bring in will make a difference.

MT isn’t suddenly turning into a franchise guy - that never happens when a guy starts moving around.

I don’t see a point in fooling yourself into thinking you are building something with a mediocre, journeyman QB.

It just keeps them on that hamster wheel for years on end.

I get they will bring in another guy as competition, but you invested a third in Rudolph so roll with him and hope for the worst.

That’s the only realistic way off the potential 15-25 year run without a franchise guy like the last time.

We aren't looking for a franchise guy right now. You can't will yourself to that point. We need to just get someone who can manage a game and not lose it for us. Najee is the cornerstone here. A guy like Trubisky should be able to be a good game manager and he brings a running dimension that could make us really dangerous and take some pressure off of that offensive line so they don't have to block for a statue.

If Rudolph is legit, he should easily beat out Trubisky. If he doesn't he does not belong in the NFL.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

We aren't looking for a franchise guy right now. You can't will yourself to that point. We need to just get someone who can manage a game and not lose it for us. Najee is the cornerstone here. A guy like Trubisky should be able to be a good game manager and he brings a running dimension that could make us really dangerous and take some pressure off of that offensive line so they don't have to block for a statue.

If Rudolph is legit, he should easily beat out Trubisky. If he doesn't he does not belong in the NFL.

No, you can't will yourself into a franchise guy, but you can be realistic about where you are as an org and make a long range plan to try and find one.

MT just puts them in the same situation as this season - which is going nowhere as they have been for years.

Find a backup type to beat out Haskins and roll with what you have in Rudolph, see if he has any future with this team. It's the only way to find out.

I get the overall point you guys are making, but this org needs to start being realistic with themselves and finally accept it's time for a proper rebuild.

 

[OnMyOwn]

Never gonna happen in Pittsburgh. Did we even do a full blown rebuild when we had Tommy as QB and drafted Ben? Nope, just plugged Ben into a decent roster and added other pieces. Is a full blown rebuild really needed just because of the QB situation? They need some DL, OL and CB help, but the draft and FA can correct those issues within the next 2 years pretty easily.

Just roll with the stop gaps and trade up when you have a guy you think is Franchise worthy. Who knows when that guy will come around, anyway.

I’ll just add I get what you’re saying too. But there’s no way we’ll purposely suck for years just because we want a QB.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Never gonna happen in Pittsburgh. Did we even do a full blown rebuild when we had Tommy as QB and drafted Ben? Nope, just plugged Ben into a decent roster and added other pieces. Is a full blown rebuild really needed just because of the QB situation? They need some DL, OL and CB help, but the draft and FA can correct those issues within the next 2 years pretty easily.

Just roll with the stop gaps and trade up when you have a guy you think is Franchise worthy. Who knows when that guy will come around, anyway.

I’ll just add I get what you’re saying too. But there’s no way we’ll purposely suck for years just because we want a QB.

I’m not saying going with MR means they will blow on purpose, it’s just what I hope no matter who is at QB.

I don’t see a major difference between MT and MR leading this team

Maybe an extra win or two max - that’s not doing them any good though.

I just don’t see the point of some journeyman coming in and giving the same results.

You invested a third and decent contract in MR to now not give him a chance because… MT?

Actually sounds even dumber when I type it out…

It’s not that I’m bagging on your idea, probably coming out wrong - pretty much any guy they can realistically bring in will be in that “meh journeyman waste of time” category.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I really hope they don’t trade for Jimmy G. To me that’s one of the worst options they could go with. Trading a second or third while losing 20+ million in cap space all for a year of Jimmy G would be really short sighted in my opinion.

I don't think Jimmy G would command anything given the contract. If anything San Fran may have to add, like JG + 3rd for a 6th or thereabouts.

 

[JTG]

And I heard right now this team is 88m under the cap with restructureable contracts.. That is a good bit of talent that we can go out and get also.

I don't see a solution to our QB issue in FA or the draft, but I think we can be a good team and put ourselves in position next year to go after a QB with no real holes in the roster.

 

[OnMyOwn]

And I heard right now this team is 88m under the cap with restructureable contracts.. That is a good bit of talent that we can go out and get also.

I don't see a solution to our QB issue in FA or the draft, but I think we can be a good team and put ourselves in position next year to go after a QB with no real holes in the roster.

That’s pretty much what I’m getting at. Don’t let the current QB situation stop the Steelers from putting the best possible team out there. MR is guaranteed failure so I fully expect them to try someone else.

 

[DanielPlainview]

I’d send a 6th to the Eagles for Minshew if they’ll take it.

Cut: Banner, Shobert

Let walk: Chuks, Edmunds, Ebron, Turner, Haden, Washington

Re-sign: Witherspoon, McCloud

On the fence: Juju, Spillane

FA priorities:
#1 CB
ILB upgrade
SS upgrade
C upgrade

Draft priorities:
OT
DT/NT
OG
WR (pending Juju)

 

[JTG]

I’d send a 6th to the Eagles for Minshew if they’ll take it.

Cut: Banner, Shobert

Let walk: Chuks, Edmunds, Ebron, Turner, Haden, Washington

Re-sign: Witherspoon, McCloud

On the fence: Juju, Spillane

FA priorities:
#1 CB
ILB upgrade
SS upgrade
C upgrade

Draft priorities:
OT
DT/NT
OG
WR (pending Juju)

I actually think Minshew is the exact type of guy we should be looking at. He's a perfect stop gap and he brings a dimension we could use. Minshew game managing behind a revamped line and a sophomore Najee could be a really decent offense.

And I'll be honest, I don't see great QBs in the draft next year either. Slovis will be fun to watch at Pitt. Jurkovec will be interesting to follow because he's a Pine Richland kid. Tyler Shough is an interesting prospect and you also have Stroud and Young that I'm not sold on as pro QBs.