OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Sneaking up onto training camp

[Buddy Bizarre]

Just re switching sides as a tackle, took this from an Athletic article on Tua being a leftie

"Austin Jackson played left tackle after being drafted with Miami’s second first-round pick in 2020 but moved to the right side when McDaniel took over as head coach. “Your mechanics literally change (to) opposite legs,” Jackson said. “My left leg had to become my push leg, my right leg had to become my ‘catch/anchor’ leg that kind of keeps my balance.”

As he made the change, Jackson’s right leg was significantly stronger than his left. His left hip was strong but way tighter. The Dolphins’ strength-and-conditioning staff installed special programming to rebuild both hips and legs for his new role."

Dunno that it's that much of a physical difference for every OL, but good example of just how hyperspecialised they get

Kevin Dotson essentially said the same thing. He couldn't do it. His muscle memory was locked in.
In my mind, I feel like it's easier to move from LG to LT and vice versa vs the left side to the right side of the Line.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Justin Fields confirmed who I thought he was: a guy with some good physical tools, but lacks pocket awareness, anticipation and worst of all can't take care of the football.

If for some reason he takes significant snaps, they better do a ton of rollouts/waggles/rpo bc he can't throw from the pocket.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Just re switching sides as a tackle, took this from an Athletic article on Tua being a leftie

"Austin Jackson played left tackle after being drafted with Miami’s second first-round pick in 2020 but moved to the right side when McDaniel took over as head coach. “Your mechanics literally change (to) opposite legs,” Jackson said. “My left leg had to become my push leg, my right leg had to become my ‘catch/anchor’ leg that kind of keeps my balance.”

As he made the change, Jackson’s right leg was significantly stronger than his left. His left hip was strong but way tighter. The Dolphins’ strength-and-conditioning staff installed special programming to rebuild both hips and legs for his new role."

Dunno that it's that much of a physical difference for every OL, but good example of just how hyperspecialised they get

Kevin Dotson essentially said the same thing. He couldn't do it. His muscle memory was locked in.
In my mind, I feel like it's easier to move from LG to LT and vice versa vs the left side to the right side of the Line.

I buy that this is closer to the norm than not. Makes complete sense to me.

How big of humans they are probably accentuates everything further.

 

[T1K]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1822994269767893330

 

[Peat]

At training camp today. I will have zero useful observations

Edit: Per my wife, Roman Wilson looks like a toddler. He was doing change of direction running though and I think he's padded up

Edit edit: Actually that's probably just Calvin Austin with her jersey balled up so 9 looks like 0.

 

[xlm34]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1822994269767893330

Weird timing for it but I don’t think it’s a big loss for Steelers coverage. He kind of sucked in my opinion.

I liked Defabo when he was on the Penguins beat but haven’t been all that impressed with his Steelers coverage yet. Maybe he’ll be able to do a little more now though.

At training camp today. I will have zero useful observations

Edit: Per my wife, Roman Wilson looks like a toddler. He was doing change of direction running though and I think he's padded up

Let us know if you spot Aiyuk.

 

[Peat]

Weird timing for it but I don’t think it’s a big loss for Steelers coverage. He kind of sucked in my opinion.

I liked Defabo when he was on the Penguins beat but haven’t been all that impressed with his Steelers coverage yet. Maybe he’ll be able to do a little more now though.

Never like to see people lose jobs but yeah, I wasn't a fan.

DeFabo has been pretty vanilla but I appreciate he's trying to do more analysis.

Let us know if you spot Aiyuk.

Good news he's here, bad news he's retired and taken up coaching.

 

[T1K]

Weird timing for it but I don’t think it’s a big loss for Steelers coverage. He kind of sucked in my opinion.

I liked Defabo when he was on the Penguins beat but haven’t been all that impressed with his Steelers coverage yet. Maybe he’ll be able to do a little more now though.



Let us know if you spot Aiyuk.

Yeah, I’m not trying to dance on his grave, but I couldn’t stand him. He was very opinionated in his reporting.

 

[JTG]

I actually find Orlovsky's "internal clock" thing with Fields to have some value.

I think Fields is way more raw than anyone even thought.

 

[Peat]

Watching 7 shots in practice is more fun than watching actual football.

Offence win. 2 reverse sweeps, Fields doing a nice job to find a wide open Austin, and one of the back up RBs running it in. Misses were a RB carry (I think Harris), Wilson looking for Washington but someone breaking up the pass and... I missed one of them

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I actually find Orlovsky's "internal clock" thing with Fields to have some value.

I think Fields is way more raw than anyone even thought.

Is that video supposed to be diagonal like that?

 

[JTG]

Is that video supposed to be diagonal like that?

I wondered the same thing. That would be infuriating.

 

[T1K]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1822852572614455408

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I actually find Orlovsky's "internal clock" thing with Fields to have some value.

I think Fields is way more raw than anyone even thought.

Both things can be true:

1. JF wasn't set up for success in Chicago, due to lack of coaching
2. JF is still raw, again due to lack of coaching


Buutttt...here is the largest caveat in the room that no one is ready to admit: are the Steelers a place where ANY QB who needs coaching, can expect to receive it from the top offensive minds in football?

I mean they've never done it before and KP in a couple years looked like the same dude in college. They also run antiquated schemes.

If I was KC, Miami, Detroit or even SF, I might take a stab at JF this next offseason. They might be able to squeeze some juice out of him. But that won't be happening in Pittsburgh

 

[SomeDude]

I actually find Orlovsky's "internal clock" thing with Fields to have some value.

I think Fields is way more raw than anyone even thought.

Why is anyone paying this guy

money for his opinion on NFL quarterbacks.

 

[JTG]

Both things can be true:

1. JF wasn't set up for success in Chicago, due to lack of coaching
2. JF is still raw, again due to lack of coaching


Buutttt...here is the largest caveat in the room that no one is ready to admit: are the Steelers a place where ANY QB who needs coaching, can expect to receive it from the top offensive minds in football?

I mean they've never done it before and KP in a couple years looked like the same dude in college. They also run antiquated schemes.

If I was KC, Miami, Detroit or even SF, I might take a stab at JF this next offseason. They might be able to squeeze some juice out of him. But that won't be happening in Pittsburgh

Yeah, I don't disagree. This organization has not proven they can develop a QB like GB has.

 

[Peat]

Tbf, as a loud skeptic about the development we've seen, this is a brand new coaching room for QBs beyond Tomlin. So who knows how it works out now.

 

[Captain Hook]

Fields issues weren't going to magically disappear just because he got traded here. There's still work to be done with him. Maybe he never figures it out but he's well worth taking a chance on for the low cost.

I also like investing time in developing a player like him rather than Pickett because at least Fields physical tools are off the charts. The potential higher ceiling is much more worth the time invested in his development. KP also has a long way to go in his development but the ceiling is just so low that I don't think it was worth the time.

 

[Peat]

Tomlin's shirt is really shiny. That's the hard hitting football analysis I have to offer from camp.

Also Russ has that Crosby booty.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I wondered the same thing. That would be infuriating.

I just stopped watching.

 

[End of Line]

Why is anyone paying this guy

money for his opinion on NFL quarterbacks.

If he wasn’t friends with McAfee he would not be in the position that he’s in

 

[Empoleon8771]

It’s after game 1 of the preseason and I’m already tired of hearing the arguments about Fields

 

[Peat]

It’s after game 1 of the preseason and I’m already tired of hearing the arguments about Fields

Well I have some bad news for you

Still, imagine it from my perspective. I'm trying to be nice and not bring him up, and here's all this bait dangling in front of me

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If he wasn’t friends with McAfee he would not be in the position that he’s in

You do know Espn didn’t let him on Macfaee when Pat was independent on YouTube

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Tbf, as a loud skeptic about the development we've seen, this is a brand new coaching room for QBs beyond Tomlin. So who knows how it works out now.

You're right that the individual coaching COULD override Tomlin's philosophy, but we also know that Tomlin generally doesn't like hiring people brighter than him or who will contradict him.

And what do we know about Tomlin after almost 20 years? He's a risk averse coach who favors defense, ball control and not making turnovers. That isn't how you develop QB's. Development comes from MAKING MISTAKES (this applies to every walk of life). Tomlin refuses to let mistakes run their course. I'm not saying KP would have figured it out if the reigns were taken off of him. But it would have been nice to at least rule that factor out.

I mean you might as well have Buddy Ryan as a HC. But at least Buddy Ryan wasn't dumb enough to put the shackles on Randall Cunningham. And coincidently enough, we saw late resurgent Cunningham with the Vikes when he got some good coaching and supreme talent around him.

In short, Tomlin's philosophy is antiquated. He believes QB's should be able to transcend scheme bc he inheirted a HOF QB and it brought him early success. Well guess what, there aren't any Ben R's growing on trees in this league. Tomlin treats that anomalist situation like it's commonplace.