OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Sneaking up onto training camp

[bigdaddyk88]

DJ was not particularly productive though. I mean, he compiled stats because he got a TON of targets but on a per target basis he was not impressive.

Do you think we get 600 yards 5 tds from wr 2 that’s what dj did as a rookie or 900 7 TDS like DJ did in 2020 with Ben

 

[JTG]

Do you think we get 600 yards 5 tds from wr 2 that’s what dj did as a rookie or 900 7 TDS like DJ did in 2020 with Ben

I think Wilson is totally capable of producing 4/5 DJ seasons this year. 100+ balls and 1000+ yards is a tough ask, but doable.

I have still not found a good definition for being "open" as a WR. Is it steps ahead of a DB? Distance? Time? Because for as much as DJ was open, the throws that would have to be made to hit him would have had to have Ben as the QB.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I think Wilson is totally capable of producing 4/5 DJ seasons this year. 100+ balls and 1000+ yards is a tough ask, but doable.

I have still not found a good definition for being "open" as a WR. Is it steps ahead of a DB? Distance? Time? Because for as much as DJ was open, the throws that would have to be made to hit him would have had to have Ben as the QB.

Sure as long as they take advantage of cheat motions and manufacture getting Wilson open like Michigan did for him in college like kupp and puka feast on. He isn’t getting himself open
Burrow talked about his biggest struggle was understanding nfl open to college open. In the nfl you have to see and anticipate alot more than ik college because the defense is faster and they watch more film. He said learning to throw the wr open is what separates the good qbs to great

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[TooManyHumans]

Do you think we get 600 yards 5 tds from wr 2 that’s what dj did as a rookie or 900 7 TDS like DJ did in 2020 with Ben

Probably not but they won't see the volume of targets that DJ got.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Probably not but they won't see the volume of targets that DJ got.

He averaged 8 targets a game while he was here some ine is getting them. Muth has been wr 3 target wise since Claypool left

 

[JTG]

This feels like the fastest summer, but the longest offseason.

 

[TooManyHumans]

He averaged 8 targets a game while he was here some ine is getting them. Muth has been wr 3 target wise since Claypool left

Those extra targets are more likely to go to Pickens and the TEs than to the WR2 in this offense, which we don't really have right now. Hopefully someone emerges there.

 

[Pens1566]

Those extra targets are more likely to go to Pickens and the TEs than to the WR2 in this offense, which we don't really have right now. Hopefully someone emerges there.

Or RBs ...

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

"Our offense doesn't use the WR2 anyway" is not comforting to me, if that's the intent of people pointing it out.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

"Our offense doesn't use the WR2 anyway" is not comforting to me, if that's the intent of people pointing it out.

The problem with this line of thinking is it presumes Pickens remains healthy.
We're a pulled Pickens hamstring away from some real WR issues.

 

[JTG]

That's the differentiation - healthy, I think Wilson and Austin should have an opportunity to get the reps. I feel both are capable from their college tape alone. That being said, Pickens goes down, it's a world of hurt for us. 11 in the box.

 

[TooManyHumans]

We definitely don’t have an answer to Pickens getting hurt.

 

[JTG]

People around town talk about Austin and Wilson like the Steelers haven't been more successful than any other team drafting them over the last 20 years.

WIlson in particular just has a dog in him that I don't think people take into consideration - much like Hines in his day. Herbig, Benton, Payton Wilson are cut from the same cloth. Fautanu and Jones, everyone knows they are probably going to be above average to great. I believe Weidl puts the draft boards together and his last two drafts show that he has Colbert-2000 level of feel on the pulse of the talent that is in college.

This defense, specifically this linebacking corps coupled with the offensive line, I think they could do some damage. The very clear fork in the road is QB play and WRs staying healthy.

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[Son Goku]

Apparently from comments I’ve seen on Facebook he wants to be a commander. I don’t know who’d rather be a commander instead of a steeler but..

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Apparently from comments I’ve seen on Facebook he wants to be a commander. I don’t know who’d rather be a commander instead of a steeler but..

Maybe he's from that area or knows a coach in DC?

 

[WickedWrister]

Apparently from comments I’ve seen on Facebook he wants to be a commander. I don’t know who’d rather be a commander instead of a steeler but..

He’s good friends and went to school with Jayden Daniels, FWIW.

 

[OnMyOwn]

He’s said if not them, us. So who knows?

 

[Peat]

My thought still remains why would the 49ers change their mind about keeping him at this stage and I don't see why a formal request changes that

edit: and lo and behold

https://x.com/i/web/status/1813267861047013573

 

[OnMyOwn]

I mean, usually a guy that requests a trade gets traded. So we’ll see.

 

[Peat]

I mean, usually a guy that requests a trade gets traded. So we’ll see.

The 49ers didn't trade Samuel when he requested one in a more or less identical position. Barring the sort of all time sulk that should make teams reconsider whether they actually want Aiyuk, I don't see why they'd handle it differently.

edit: Just to expand on this -

The 49ers had to have thought through all the scenarios when they decided not to trade Aiyuk at the draft, right? Including the real possibility they couldn't get a contract done until a long way through the summer, if then?

If they decided that was the better course then, why change their minds? A trade request had to be one of the scenarios they brought up and decided they could live with.

They're in a championship window. There's no deal they can strike that'll make them stronger this season. They'll still have control over Aiyuk next season through the franchise tag.

The only real reason I see for them to change their mind is Aiyuk getting stupidly unhappy, or a stupidly big trade offer. And a trade request isn't the former.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I mean, usually a guy that requests a trade gets traded. So we’ll see.

Not really Higgins requested a trade a long time ago where just used to volunteers over hostages

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Not really Higgins requested a trade a long time ago where just used to volunteers over hostages

Exactly what I was going to say. Don't conflate what the Steelers do with other teams' approach.
Lots of guys request trades during the offseason. To be fair, most of them are granted, but not all and I think Aiyuk falls into this category.

 

[Rossi Rat]

It is insanely tone deaf and stupid of iHeart/the X to not have renewed Madden’s contract thus far. It’s up at the end of august and he’s hinting as if it may not end up being renewed. Pay. The. Man.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

It is insanely tone deaf and stupid of iHeart/the X to not have renewed Madden’s contract thus far. It’s up at the end of august and he’s hinting as if it may not end up being renewed. Pay. The. Man.

Seems like iHeart is the hero we deserve after all!