OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

[Snooki Stackhouse]

You have to be a total moron to think Fields is the answer to beating Mahomes, Allen Jackson etc.

Oh wait…

I think most fans of this league have become pretty nihilistic about their team's prospects, and for good reason.

If you don't have a great QB, nothing matters. Your existence doesn't matter. In the last 20 years, a team without an elite QB has won the SB only twice (Flacco and Foles).

Finding a top QB is a prerequisite, and org resources should be focused on achieving that and only that.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

gotta beat doc watson before you can beat allen jackson imo

Not to mention Country Joe.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think the "you can't beat Mahomes with Fields" argument is more about being picky who you draft at QB and don't just draft a QB for the sake of drafting a QB. What they should be doing is sticking with Fields until they're in a position to draft an actual high upside QB, whether that be from losing or trading up.

Unless you get really lucky with developing him, you're not getting a "competes with Mahomes" caliber QB outside of the top-10.

 

[xlm34]

I think most fans of this league have become pretty nihilistic about their team's prospects, and for good reason.

If you don't have a great QB, nothing matters. Your existence doesn't matter. In the last 20 years, a team without an elite QB has won the SB only twice (Flacco and Foles).

Finding a top QB is a prerequisite, and org resources should be focused on achieving that and only that.

And even those guys had out of body, amazing runs during the playoffs. Flacco legitimately had one of the greatest playoffs by a QB ever.

Manning with Denver is really the only guy I can think of recently that was just a passenger.

 

[JTG]

Fields really does have the perfect ability to be impossible to beat. The issue is his consistency, particularly when it comes to short-mid accuracy and decision making. If the dude could do nothing else but throw intermediate passes and run while taking care of the ball, the team wouldn't need to do much to win other than that. Just go out and get YAC WRs and play that style of game.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Fields really does have the perfect ability to be impossible to beat. The issue is his consistency, particularly when it comes to short-mid accuracy and decision making. If the dude could do nothing else but throw intermediate passes and run while taking care of the ball, the team wouldn't need to do much to win other than that. Just go out and get YAC WRs and play that style of game.

Baker, Geno, Darnold. Anyone else of recent vintage become a legit starter at the point at which Fields is in his career? Maybe Fields is younger than they were when they "broke out"? But even with all that you're relying on this staff to accomplish it?

 

[WickedWrister]

Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2025 NFL Draft prospect rankings 1.0

Mildly surprised to see Golden ranked ahead of Egbuka and Burden

 

[JTG]

McMillan would be my ideal pick, but Burden is a close 2nd.

 

[Peat]

Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2025 NFL Draft prospect rankings 1.0

Mildly surprised to see Golden ranked ahead of Egbuka and Burden

I'm not but only because he did it in his mock Just from profile reading I've been sold it makes sense (not just his profile on Golden)

I've seen Cam comps on Harmon. These rankings didn't do much to dampen my interest. Still can't quite but shake the feeling that draft guys seem less interested in this one than the last few year.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I'm not but only because he did it in his mock Just from profile reading I've been sold it makes sense (not just his profile on Golden)

I've seen Cam comps on Harmon. These rankings didn't do much to dampen my interest. Still can't quite but shake the feeling that draft guys seem less interested in this one than the last few year.

I'm convinced if Harmon is there in the first, they take him. He fits their profile for a DE in the 3-4 and he has the attitude, motor and composure of Cam.

 

[JTG]

I would take Walter Nolen before Harmon.

I'd take Kenneth Grant before both of them.

Walter Nolen reads like Casey Hampton to me.

 

[Peat]

I would take Walter Nolen before Harmon.

I'd take Kenneth Grant before both of them.

Walter Nolen reads like Casey Hampton to me.

Wouldn't say no to either of them, was just more focused on Harmon due to the comps. Also reads a bit more polished which with this coaching staff is a good thing. I'd worry that Grant would end up as a 2 down player in a 3-4 too.

But yeah, target rich environment.

 

[JTG]

Wouldn't say no to either of them, was just more focused on Harmon due to the comps. Also reads a bit more polished which with this coaching staff is a good thing. I'd worry that Grant would end up as a 2 down player in a 3-4 too.

But yeah, target rich environment.

In that 22-32 range, you can solve some serious DL issues. I think when Grant runs, he's going to fire up the boards even more. They say he can run 4.7 at 335. I have to see that to believe it.

 

[Peat]

In that 22-32 range, you can solve some serious DL issues. I think when Grant runs, he's going to fire up the boards even more. They say he can run 4.7 at 335. I have to see that to believe it.

My question would be how often can he do it though.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I think most fans of this league have become pretty nihilistic about their team's prospects, and for good reason.

If you don't have a great QB, nothing matters. Your existence doesn't matter. In the last 20 years, a team without an elite QB has won the SB only twice (Flacco and Foles).

Finding a top QB is a prerequisite, and org resources should be focused on achieving that and only that.

They need to think of the future and build draft capital to move up when the time is right to find their guy.

Steelers under Tomlin live season to season to preserve his streak.

It’s absolute poison to this org and leaves them… well worse than the 80s Steelers.

Kind of disturbing what AR2 said about the KP situation.

Either Tomlin and he shit the bed evaluating a guy right in their backyard or they shit the bed hampering him with Canada.

Doesn’t give me any confidence they know wtf they are doing evaluating and developing the most important position in football.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I would take Walter Nolen before Harmon.

I'd take Kenneth Grant before both of them.

Walter Nolen reads like Casey Hampton to me.

Grant feels more like the Hampton type, 6-3, 335. Nolen is 6-3, 293. Big snack was 6-1, 325. Though I think most people would accept that he played closer to like 340.

My question would be how often can he do it though.

I think the 5-10-5 drill is way more important for a D-lineman than the 40.

 

[End of Line]

In that 22-32 range, you can solve some serious DL issues. I think when Grant runs, he's going to fire up the boards even more. They say he can run 4.7 at 335. I have to see that to believe it.

He can move

 

[bigdaddyk88]

In that 22-32 range, you can solve some serious DL issues. I think when Grant runs, he's going to fire up the boards even more. They say he can run 4.7 at 335. I have to see that to believe it.

I honestly think they could trade down pick up another 3rd or 4th and still get a DE i fully expect them to double dip DL after AR interview. Heck if they cleared the room out or everyone not named Benton and Cam i wouldn’t be surprised
I hope they trade Issac and Larry for mid round picks

They need to think of the future and build draft capital to move up when the time is right to find their guy.

Steelers under Tomlin live season to season to preserve his streak.

It’s absolute poison to this org and leaves them… well worse than the 80s Steelers.

Kind of disturbing what AR2 said about the KP situation.

Either Tomlin and he shit the bed evaluating a guy right in their backyard or they shit the bed hampering him with Canada.

Doesn’t give me any confidence they know wtf they are doing evaluating and developing the most important position in football.

It’s not going to matter what draft capital they have in 26 because it’s going to cost multiple 1sts to get into the top 5. No one even knows what the Qb 1 is in 26 draft class

 

[WickedWrister]

Lol, lmao even

 

[JTG]

I honestly think they could trade down pick up another 3rd or 4th and still get a DE i fully expect them to double dip DL after AR interview. Heck if they cleared the room out or everyone not named Benton and Cam i wouldn’t be surprised
I hope they trade Issac and Larry for mid round picks


It’s not going to matter what draft capital they have in 26 because it’s going to cost multiple 1sts to get into the top 5. No one even knows what the Qb 1 is in 26 draft class

I think it may be a good idea for them to back up if they can get two 2nds.

My question would be how often can he do it though.

THere's tape!

Grant feels more like the Hampton type, 6-3, 335. Nolen is 6-3, 293. Big snack was 6-1, 325. Though I think most people would accept that he played closer to like 340.



I think the 5-10-5 drill is way more important for a D-lineman than the 40.

There are a ton of 3-techs in this draft. We need to walk out with 1, preferably 2.

He can move

Oh man...we need that!

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I honestly think they could trade down pick up another 3rd or 4th and still get a DE i fully expect them to double dip DL after AR interview. Heck if they cleared the room out or everyone not named Benton and Cam i wouldn’t be surprised
I hope they trade Issac and Larry for mid round picks


It’s not going to matter what draft capital they have in 26 because it’s going to cost multiple 1sts to get into the top 5. No one even knows what the Qb 1 is in 26 draft class

It will always cost multiple firsts to move up from the 20s to top 5. 26, 27 etc

That’s why you build draft capital now.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Lol. He was rarely even the best offensive player on the team. If you think Ben was ever anywhere close to Joe Burrow you can't evaluate QB talent.

We get it. Ben bagged your sister.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

You don’t catch teams off guard for 8 years boss.

Roth was on pace to have a historical career until Tomlin took over control of the offense.

Cowher’s last three OCs, Mularkey, Whiz and Arians were ALL hired to be head coaches.

Tomlin’s three OC hires with Roth were all so bad they were never hired in the NFL again, save an 8 game stint for Haley with the Browns before he was fired.

Cowher had a legendary tree.

Tomlin doesn’t even have a seed.

Again, not a coincidence Roth was doing historical shit under Cowher and his hires and things went to shit under Tomlin and his clown shoe OCs.

Arians took all the risk-taking with him when he left the building. He was an incredible counter-weight to Tomlin’s risk aversion… but lost the power struggle and you see where the franchise is now.

Arians: 6-3 an postseason as a head coach and 5-3 as a Steelers OC (plus damn near won as CLE OC with Kelly Holcomb vs a superior Steelers team).

Steelers with Ben, after Arians: 3-6 in postseason

 

[Peat]

THere's tape!

Too lazy for that. Very high snap count though

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

And despite the notion all season of defense mattering again in the nfl, the defending champs Chiefs struggling all year on offense but pulling off late game miracles that couldn't possibly last, etc. etc., the average score of this championship weekend was still over 30.

Offense wins in the modern league, if you can't score 30 when it matters, you might as well not even show up for the game.

The Eagles and Ravens sign undervalued running backs that make immediate impacts on their season.

The Steelers big free agent move this off season was to bring in Patrick Queen. An effing middle linebacker, on the already most expensive D in the league, who Ravens fans/media immediately clowned on and proclaimed would prove to mostly be a product of Roquan Smith, which predictably proved true.

The Steelers pay Watt to sack nobody in his playoffs career (not entirely his fault, his coaching scheme sucks, but earn your pay some day will ya?).

And Minkah...deserves a meeting with the Bob's more than his paycheck.

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