OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

[Khelandros]

I'm talking about actual accuracy, not completion percentage, which I'm aware has increased over the past 15 years or so, mostly due to rule changes.

 

[xlm34]

What a fall from grace for Slowik. Went from a head coaching candidate to getting fired.

I also didn’t know you were allowed to fire coordinators while they were still under contract.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

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1) These stats are pretty useless generally, since who knows who is evaluating these and there are different difficulties of passes.

2) But since you chose to go down this road, why don't you click on their individual player pages and look at that same stat? And the off target throw percentage too?

The issue is that these numbers only started being captured in 2019, so you're looking at their career numbers which pro football defence then accidentally distorts. There's a pretty sizable difference in favor of Brees, whoops! This is what happens when you just blindly look for numbers that help your argument instead of researching.

 

[Peat]

What a fall from grace for Slowik. Went from a head coaching candidate to getting fired.

I also didn’t know you were allowed to fire coordinators while they were still under contract.

Interesting one given all their injury problems. Their fanbase seems pretty happy but I don't think too many people would have questioned it all that much if they'd believed in him learning and growing.

 

[JTG]

Rumor that Cam Ward is going to be the Giants pick and they are going to take Miami's OC with him.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Rumor that Cam Ward is going to be the Giants pick and they are going to take Miami's OC with him.

I don’t know if Tennessee passes on Ward at 1-1

 

[JTG]

I don’t know if Tennessee passes on Ward at 1-1

I think they take Shadeur.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I think they take Shadeur.

Sanders is not close to Ward.

 

[JTG]

Sanders is not close to Ward.

If Tennessee is smart, they don't take a QB at all. They could get a cornerstone on defense instead. That's the all around better move to me.

I think Shadeur has a lot of Deion in him. He knows the processes, he knows exactly what is going to be expected. He's going to obliterate the combine. He's stock will rise before the draft, I guarantee it.

If I were Tennessee I'm actually backing up and getting multiple picks. That's the play, IMO.

 

[xlm34]

If Tennessee is smart, they don't take a QB at all. They could get a cornerstone on defense instead. That's the all around better move to me.

I think Shadeur has a lot of Deion in him. He knows the processes, he knows exactly what is going to be expected. He's going to obliterate the combine. He's stock will rise before the draft, I guarantee it.

If I were Tennessee I'm actually backing up and getting multiple picks. That's the play, IMO.

It’s a rough year to have the number one pick. I think Abdul Carter is probably worthy of it. Hunter may be a very good player but doubt he plays both sides. And if he doesn’t I don’t know if he’s necessarily first overall caliber at CB and definitely don’t think he is at WR.

Neither QB is all that exciting either so I’d question how much a team would spend to move up for either.

 

[Peat]

It’s a rough year to have the number one pick. I think Abdul Carter is probably worthy of it. Hunter may be a very good player but doubt he plays both sides. And if he doesn’t I don’t know if he’s necessarily first overall caliber at CB and definitely don’t think he is at WR.

Neither QB is all that exciting either so I’d question how much a team would spend to move up for either.

I am super intrigued on what happens with Hunter. I don't feel like I've seen anyone address his ability to play both sides at the next level in a comprehensive manner. My big question is can any team stagger WR and CB practice in such a way to let him do it? That's the first big hurdle.

If he can, what is he? A CB who runs ten routes a game? A WR who is the best dime package CB in the game? Something more?

I feel like Carter is beginning to attract 1OA talk and I think it's probably going to happen unless someone decides they must have a QB.

 

[xlm34]

I am super intrigued on what happens with Hunter. I don't feel like I've seen anyone address his ability to play both sides at the next level in a comprehensive manner. My big question is can any team stagger WR and CB practice in such a way to let him do it? That's the first big hurdle.

If he can, what is he? A CB who runs ten routes a game? A WR who is the best dime package CB in the game? Something more?

I feel like Carter is beginning to attract 1OA talk and I think it's probably going to happen unless someone decides they must have a QB.

Yeah same with Hunter. I think the Pats had a corner a couple years ago that did get a couple of offensive snaps a game. The fact that Hunter did it at the level he did in college is insane, but I just can’t see that happening in the NFL.

If it does, he’s a clear cut no brainer number one pick. If not, he still seems like a great prospect but would be a pretty underwhelming number one pick to me.

 

[Peat]

Yeah same with Hunter. I think the Pats had a corner a couple years ago that did get a couple of offensive snaps a game. The fact that Hunter did it at the level he did in college is insane, but I just can’t see that happening in the NFL.

If it does, he’s a clear cut no brainer number one pick. If not, he still seems like a great prospect but would be a pretty underwhelming number one pick to me.

Eh, I don't think he should be a clear cut no brainer number one pick in most drafts even if he is a genuinely great two ways player in the NFL.

I mean, what do you want 1OA? Franchise QB right? If you can't have that, you probably want a franchise edge rusher. I guess next it's up in the air, but the only position taken 1OA other than those two since 1996 is OT and only three of those at that.

So is a great WR-CB who'd go 1OA most drafts? I don't think so. Yeah, that's a bit semantics, and in this draft he might because it's kinda dogshit in the premium positions, but even if he was a great two way player I don't think it'd make him a proper 1OA pick, you know? Unless maybe he can genuinely go 120 snaps a game and he's genuinely great on one or the other side.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Yeah same with Hunter. I think the Pats had a corner a couple years ago that did get a couple of offensive snaps a game. The fact that Hunter did it at the level he did in college is insane, but I just can’t see that happening in the NFL.

If it does, he’s a clear cut no brainer number one pick. If not, he still seems like a great prospect but would be a pretty underwhelming number one pick to me.

Last guy to play genuine snaps at both positions was some guy named Sanders. And even that was massively limited.

 

[lastcupever75]

The Steelers formula with Ben is the same formula the bills are using with Allen. They are coaching Allen to not turn it over. Ben more successful playoff runs he wasn’t the gunslinger Ben

kid, just go back and watch the full games instead of reading off a stat sheet. if you don't have them on dvd i'm sure you can find full telecasts on youtube

SB 40 run
offense scored 31 pts vs cincy. 3 TD passes

indy - 2TDs in the first 13 minutes of the game. then cowher took the air out of the ball. 12th passing attempt on the 2nd TD,
threw the ball only 12 more times the rest of the game

denver - 34 point total. 24-3 at the half, game pretty much over after 2nd TD pass. then ran one in to ice the game in the 4th after denver closes the lead to 27-17

for some perspective ben was 23 years old at the time'
at that age brady was riding the bench as a rookie with NE

 

[lastcupever75]

It's admittedly a small sample size pre-Tomlin and he was young, but not really.

he was young but not really? not sure what you mean by that?

for some more perspective. ben was 22 that year.

same age when brady was a senior at michigan.
And at the same age mahomes was riding the bench for a year with KC

 

[lastcupever75]

• Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
  JAN 24, 2025
  
  Here is my first seven-round mock:
  
  Round 1 (No. 21): Shemar Stewart, Texas A&M DL
  The 6-foot-6, 291-pound Stewart checks all the boxes for everything the Steelers want in a defensive lineman. He’s big, athletic and versatile. Texas A&M coaches had him play on the edge quite a bit, but he’s probably best suited to play five-technique in the NFL. He’ll have to get used to playing in a three-point stance more often, but he can develop into a player who can succeed Cam Heyward one day as the team’s best defensive lineman. One concern is Stewart didn’t have elite production for the Aggies. In three seasons, he had just 3.5 sacks. He often is in position to make plays, but he’s not the best finisher. In the big picture, you have to look beyond the stats and trust that your coaches can help him take a big leap. He just turned 21 in the fall, and his best football is ahead of him.
  
  Round 2 (No. 52): Elic Ayomanor, Stanford WR
  The Steelers need to remake their receiving corps, and Ayomanor would give them a young player who can compete for playing time as a rookie. Ayomanor is coming out after his redshirt sophomore season, during which he caught 63 passes for 831 yards and six touchdowns. He’s strong at contested catches down the field and is a big target (6-foot-2, 210 pounds) in the intermediate passing game, too. The Steelers can use a big receiver — whether they keep George Pickens or trade him.
  
  Round 3 (No. 83): Jalen Milroe, Alabama QB
  There is a philosophy among some in the NFL that if you don’t have a franchise quarterback, you ought to draft one every year until you find one. Even if the Steelers bring back Wilson or Fields as their starter, they’ll need to develop a younger player in hopes he can be the long-term answer. Milroe has the mobility Tomlin wants in a quarterback — he might be the most athletic quarterback in this class — and he has experience. What general managers and scouts must figure out in the coming months is whether he can be an NFL-caliber passer and why he regressed under first-year coach Kalen DeBoer. In his first season as a starter in 2023, Nick Saban’s final season as coach, Milroe threw for 2,834 yards, 23 touchdowns and only six interceptions. Last season, he threw for 2,844 yards, 16 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He’ll need the right scheme and coaching to make a successful transition to the NFL, but if a team can construct its offense arounds his strengths, there is some promise in his game.
  
  Round 4 (No. 121): Devin Neal, Kansas RB
  The Steelers will be looking for a new running back to pair with Jaylen Warren, and the 5-foot-10, 210-pound Neal has the ability to bring big-play potential to the offense. Neal rushed for 307 yards in a game against Colorado last season and finished his college career with more than 3,000 yards. The Steelers finished last season tied for 26th in the league in yards per carry (4.1), the same average they had during the 2023 season. Adding a player who can break longer runs would improve the running game overall. The Steelers were a high-volume running team this past season, but they need to become more efficient if the offense is going to take a step forward.
  
  Round 5 (No. 162): Quincy Riley, Louisville CB
  The Steelers very well could draft a corner in the first two days of the draft, but if they wait until Day 3, there are some intriguing prospects such as Riley, who had 15 interceptions during his college career. He’s also versatile and adds value on special teams.
  
  Round 7a (No. 224): Dylan Fairchild, Georgia OG
  What’s a Steelers draft without a player from Georgia? If Isaac Seumalo and Mason McCormick are the starters at guard next season, the Steelers need depth behind them, especially with Seumalo entering the final year of his contract. Fairchild might need time to develop, but he’d be an option once Seumalo moves on.
  
  Round 7b (No. 230): Jordan Hancock, Ohio State S
  The Steelers need young depth at safety behind Minkah Fitzpatrick and DeShon Elliott. They drafted Ryan Watts last year, but he spent his rookie season on injured reserve. Hancock had three interceptions and four forced fumbles for the national champions.
  
  Round 7c (No. 246): Carson Vinson, Alabama A&M OL
  With Dan Moore Jr. likely moving on in free agency, the Steelers need a developmental tackle who can compete for a spot on the 53-man roster or practice squad. Behind Broderick Jones and Troy Fautanu, they only have Dylan Cook, who spent most of the season on the practice squad. Vinson is a small-school prospect with some upside.
  
  
  Ray Fittipaldo's first 7-round Steelers mock draft: Deep DL class too enticing?
  https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...an-russell-wilson-fields/stories/202501210141
  At the conclusion of the 2022 Senior Bowl, I ran into a member of the Steelers front office in the gate area at the Mobile, Ala., airport. This was a few...
  
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  I wouldn't hate that draft
  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"
  
  
  
  
  
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  Yesterday, 05:26 PM
  Much better RBs available.
  
  
  
  
  
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  Yesterday, 06:25 PM
  
  Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
  Ray Fittipaldo's first 7-round Steelers mock draft: Deep DL class too enticing?
  
  Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
  JAN 24, 2025
  
  Here is my first seven-round mock:
  
  Round 1 (No. 21): Shemar Stewart, Texas A&M DL
  The 6-foot-6, 291-pound Stewart checks all the boxes for everything the Steelers want in a defensive lineman. He’s big, athletic and versatile. Texas A&M coaches had him play on the edge quite a bit, but he’s probably best suited to play five-technique in the NFL. He’ll have to get used to playing in a three-point stance more often, but he can develop into a player who can succeed Cam Heyward one day as the team’s best defensive lineman. One concern is Stewart didn’t have elite production for the Aggies. In three seasons, he had just 3.5 sacks. He often is in position to make plays, but he’s not the best finisher. In the big picture, you have to look beyond the stats and trust that your coaches can help him take a big leap. He just turned 21 in the fall, and his best football is ahead of him.
  
  Round 2 (No. 52): Elic Ayomanor, Stanford WR
  The Steelers need to remake their receiving corps, and Ayomanor would give them a young player who can compete for playing time as a rookie. Ayomanor is coming out after his redshirt sophomore season, during which he caught 63 passes for 831 yards and six touchdowns. He’s strong at contested catches down the field and is a big target (6-foot-2, 210 pounds) in the intermediate passing game, too. The Steelers can use a big receiver — whether they keep George Pickens or trade him.
  
  Round 3 (No. 83): Jalen Milroe, Alabama QB
  There is a philosophy among some in the NFL that if you don’t have a franchise quarterback, you ought to draft one every year until you find one. Even if the Steelers bring back Wilson or Fields as their starter, they’ll need to develop a younger player in hopes he can be the long-term answer. Milroe has the mobility Tomlin wants in a quarterback — he might be the most athletic quarterback in this class — and he has experience. What general managers and scouts must figure out in the coming months is whether he can be an NFL-caliber passer and why he regressed under first-year coach Kalen DeBoer. In his first season as a starter in 2023, Nick Saban’s final season as coach, Milroe threw for 2,834 yards, 23 touchdowns and only six interceptions. Last season, he threw for 2,844 yards, 16 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He’ll need the right scheme and coaching to make a successful transition to the NFL, but if a team can construct its offense arounds his strengths, there is some promise in his game.
  
  Round 4 (No. 121): Devin Neal, Kansas RB
  The Steelers will be looking for a new running back to pair with Jaylen Warren, and the 5-foot-10, 210-pound Neal has the ability to bring big-play potential to the offense. Neal rushed for 307 yards in a game against Colorado last season and finished his college career with more than 3,000 yards. The Steelers finished last season tied for 26th in the league in yards per carry (4.1), the same average they had during the 2023 season. Adding a player who can break longer runs would improve the running game overall. The Steelers were a high-volume running team this past season, but they need to become more efficient if the offense is going to take a step forward.
  
  Round 5 (No. 162): Quincy Riley, Louisville CB
  The Steelers very well could draft a corner in the first two days of the draft, but if they wait until Day 3, there are some intriguing prospects such as Riley, who had 15 interceptions during his college career. He’s also versatile and adds value on special teams.
  
  Round 7a (No. 224): Dylan Fairchild, Georgia OG
  What’s a Steelers draft without a player from Georgia? If Isaac Seumalo and Mason McCormick are the starters at guard next season, the Steelers need depth behind them, especially with Seumalo entering the final year of his contract. Fairchild might need time to develop, but he’d be an option once Seumalo moves on.
  
  Round 7b (No. 230): Jordan Hancock, Ohio State S
  The Steelers need young depth at safety behind Minkah Fitzpatrick and DeShon Elliott. They drafted Ryan Watts last year, but he spent his rookie season on injured reserve. Hancock had three interceptions and four forced fumbles for the national champions.
  
  Round 7c (No. 246): Carson Vinson, Alabama A&M OL
  With Dan Moore Jr. likely moving on in free agency, the Steelers need a developmental tackle who can compete for a spot on the 53-man roster or practice squad. Behind Broderick Jones and Troy Fautanu, they only have Dylan Cook, who spent most of the season on the practice squad. Vinson is a small-school prospect with some upside.
  
  https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...s/202501210141
  Not bad. But I feel getting on of the 3 best QB is a must. We might be able to pass on a WR in rounds 1-3, and pay some $ in free agency.
  Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.
  
  Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.
  
  *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***
  
  
  
  
  
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  Yesterday, 07:12 PM
  
  Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
  Not bad. But I feel getting on of the 3 best QB is a must. We might be able to pass on a WR in rounds 1-3, and pay some $ in free agency.
  I would love to see us pursue Tee Higgins.
  
  
  
  
  
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  All OSU draft: Tyliek Williams, Emeka Egbuka, Treveyon Henderson

 

[lastcupever75]

tried copying fitapaldo's 7 rd mock from another website. for some reason it copied more than i intended.

tried to edit and erase the extras but it keeps reverting back to the original post.

can a post be deleted by a user ?

 

[JTG]

Stewart is a guy that I feel could fall to the 2nd round because he's just lke Leal before him...has everything you want physically, but there are a lot of warts. He pans out, he's a stud. That being said, we can't afford a Jarvis Jones/Artie Burns bomb right now.

 

[JTG]

I am super intrigued on what happens with Hunter. I don't feel like I've seen anyone address his ability to play both sides at the next level in a comprehensive manner. My big question is can any team stagger WR and CB practice in such a way to let him do it? That's the first big hurdle.

If he can, what is he? A CB who runs ten routes a game? A WR who is the best dime package CB in the game? Something more?

I feel like Carter is beginning to attract 1OA talk and I think it's probably going to happen unless someone decides they must have a QB.

I am also. If there is a guy who may be able to play both sides of the ball, it'd be him. He is tremendously dedicated to football. I think it is impossible, but he's one of those dudes who could do it.

 

[xlm34]

Eh, I don't think he should be a clear cut no brainer number one pick in most drafts even if he is a genuinely great two ways player in the NFL.

I mean, what do you want 1OA? Franchise QB right? If you can't have that, you probably want a franchise edge rusher. I guess next it's up in the air, but the only position taken 1OA other than those two since 1996 is OT and only three of those at that.

So is a great WR-CB who'd go 1OA most drafts? I don't think so. Yeah, that's a bit semantics, and in this draft he might because it's kinda dogshit in the premium positions, but even if he was a great two way player I don't think it'd make him a proper 1OA pick, you know? Unless maybe he can genuinely go 120 snaps a game and he's genuinely great on one or the other side.

Oh I just meant this draft I think he’d be the clear cut number one. I’d definitely consider WR and CB premium positions just because of what they cost to sign. A number one CB and number one WR would cost, what, 50+ million on their second contracts? Having both those spots on a rookie deal and it being the same player would be insanely valuable imo.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

kid, just go back and watch the full games instead of reading off a stat sheet. if you don't have them on dvd i'm sure you can find full telecasts on youtube

SB 40 run
offense scored 31 pts vs cincy. 3 TD passes

indy - 2TDs in the first 13 minutes of the game. then cowher took the air out of the ball. 12th passing attempt on the 2nd TD,
threw the ball only 12 more times the rest of the game

denver - 34 point total. 24-3 at the half, game pretty much over after 2nd TD pass. then ran one in to ice the game in the 4th after denver closes the lead to 27-17

for some perspective ben was 23 years old at the time'
at that age brady was riding the bench as a rookie with NE

It gets tiresome having to explain Cowher got all crazy in ‘05 playoffs and came out with this whacked game plan to let Roth throw all over teams in the first half.

Like I said yesterday, 23 year old Roth went into Manning’s house that year, and beat one of the greatest powerhouse teams of the decade.

Mind numbing how people refuse to give him his dues, and he was unfortunately saddled with Tomlin for most of his career.

Idiot fans did this with Bradshaw to, booing him at the end of his career and shit - it’s why he hates Pgh and I don’t blame the guy.

We are watching a form of the 80s Steelers now, except those teams could actually win playoff games.

It’s only been a few years since Roth retired and now we have seen MT, KP, Rudolph, Fields and Wilson already.

The last time they had a stretch that was even remotely comparable of this many starters was 83-85 with Stoudt, Malone, Campbell and Woodley.

And Noll still managed to get to a championship game.

Welcome to something even worse than 80s Steelers football…

 

[nsvoyageurs]

A great video by Paul Zeise:

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

A great video by Paul Zeise:

Deebo called out Tomlin’s BS as well:

Steelers Legend James Harrison Puts Mike Tomlin on Blast, Thinks Standard Message is Just a Saying Now

Pittsburgh Steelers legend James Harrison has never been shy to speak his mind, and he did not hold back on

sports.yahoo.com

“If I’m the head coach of a football team and I’ve been the head coach of this football team for however long that’s been, and now the team’s not doing well — that all has to fall on my shoulders,” Harrison said.

“Because I’ve been here long enough to be able to draft who I want and put the guys in the positions that I need. For me to be like, ‘I haven’t been (able to) get this or get that.’ Well, I’m the guy who’s supposed to be getting that. And I’ve been here long enough to get it.”

“It’s not what you’re used to. The standard is the standard. It feels like a saying now. It’s not something you actually see,” he said.

 

[lastcupever75]

Deebo called out Tomlin’s BS as well:

Steelers Legend James Harrison Puts Mike Tomlin on Blast, Thinks Standard Message is Just a Saying Now

Pittsburgh Steelers legend James Harrison has never been shy to speak his mind, and he did not hold back on

sports.yahoo.com

been trying for what seems forever to convince some of the nuthuggers of the same thing.
they think a coach for 18 years has little input on the roster