OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

[ColePens]

No it's not. To raise the AVERAGE to 320 would require a lot of guys to be heavier.

Idk what the argument is but I feel comfortable chatting about weight and saying that 315 vs 320 is about the same. 5lbs is 1.5% variance.

But also I have no clue what the argument here is. But if a client comes to me and says 315 or 320.... all the same to me.

And also just because size seems to be talk around here... size is relative to the discussion. I've see the biggest/strongest dudes in hockey and football and they couldn't move shit and were weak. I've seen small dudes who have John Cena strength. It's all relative to the play.

 

[JTG]

a) Don't know but xlm's post makes sense
b) I don't think they really are tbh. Both coaches and players have said it. They say "I don't know if I'll get in trouble for saying this" but it felt jokey to me. They never update weights for anyone, so it's not like they're trying to smokescreen or anything.

I would be rather surprised if they were moving his position after Khan said they had zero plans to do so last off-season and staked a decent amount of his reputation on other guys working out there. I also reckon that when you see a guy who has all the physical attributes to pay a better paid position playing a different lesser paid one, there's probably a can't or won't component on their end too. He and his agent can go look at Over The Cap and spot that Kelce's contract doesn't even break the top 15 OT contracts, so why isn't he an OT already if he's willing and capable? Like why not go to college to be an OT?

Or DE, which he did play in high school along with TE. His combine testing is very similar to Trey Hendrickson. But he said his position was TE when he went to Georgia. Was open to playing both sides of the ball, but he was a TE.

You've got to imagine his agent has at least asked Washington these questions, right? So I don't know what reason there might be, but feels like there has to be one on Washington's end

He's a lean 300. If he just packed junk weight on like most NFL linemen, he'd be like 6'7 330 and it'd be Broderick Jones lean. I personally think he sticks to TE because he will always have a job. If he can catch 3 TDs a year and be a beast blocker...he'll be employed like Mercedes Lewis was for 20 f***ing years.

Whatever offense they move to, I hope they include Washington more. He looks like a lumbering idiot when running, but he picks up chunks and he's hard to take down. It's almost a guaranteed 5-8 yards throwing to him.

Idk what the argument is but I feel comfortable chatting about weight and saying that 315 vs 320 is about the same. 5lbs is 1.5% variance.

But also I have no clue what the argument here is. But if a client comes to me and says 315 or 320.... all the same to me.

And also just because size seems to be talk around here... size is relative to the discussion. I've see the biggest/strongest dudes in hockey and football and they couldn't move shit and were weak. I've seen small dudes who have John Cena strength. It's all relative to the play.

It's a sample size of like 2000 linemen. Shifting an average 5 pounds would require some weight added somewhere.

 

[lastcupever75]

I tried finding the video I was referencing above. But it was basically a LB talking about Washington blocking and the LB said, "When you have a 300 pound TE that can run like that..."

One of the media guys in the scrum said, "he's listed at 265," and the LB stopped and just starred at him.

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just his head might weigh 7 pounds more than muth's

 

[Peat]

He's a lean 300. If he just packed junk weight on like most NFL linemen, he'd be like 6'7 330 and it'd be Broderick Jones lean. I personally think he sticks to TE because he will always have a job. If he can catch 3 TDs a year and be a beast blocker...he'll be employed like Mercedes Lewis was for 20 f***ing years.

Whatever offense they move to, I hope they include Washington more. He looks like a lumbering idiot when running, but he picks up chunks and he's hard to take down. It's almost a guaranteed 5-8 yards throwing to him.

Not like OTs don't last forever and have good jobs too though. Ah well. They'll do what they want anyway.

 

[wheelz87]

NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!

O-H !!!!!
Will Howard. Legend. How about that @ColePens ?? @End of Line !!

 

[End of Line]

NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!

O-H !!!!!
Will Howard. Legend. How about that @ColePens ?? @End of Line !!

What a f***ing feat. I’ll admit though I was pissed at the conservative play calling on both sides of the ball after they went up 31-7 and let them claw back. But credit to ND for being resilient. With that win that is now 7 straight wins against Notre Dame. Their last win against Ohio St was when FDR was in office in 1936. MVP of the game was Quinshon Judkins and the dime from Howard to JJ Smith on 3rd down.

Back to back National Champions for the Big Ten!

 

[bigdaddyk88]

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What a f***ing feat. I’ll admit though I was pissed at the conservative play calling on both sides of the ball after they went up 31-7 and let them claw back. But credit to ND for being resilient. With that win that is now 7 straight wins against Notre Dame. Their last win against Ohio St was when FDR was in office in 1936. MVP of the game was Quinshon Judkins and the dime from Howard to JJ Smith on 3rd down.

Back to back National Champions for the Big Ten!

They had the best roster all season and thanks to the extended postseason they won a championship congrats

 

[MrBrightside]

Fairly ironic that had the playoff system not changed this year, Ohio State would have missed the playoffs, Ryan Day would have been fired, and the national champ is probably Oregon. Timing is everything in life.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Fairly ironic that had the playoff system not changed this year, Ohio State would have missed the playoffs, Ryan Day would have been fired, and the national champ is probably Oregon. Timing is everything in life.

This is why I loved finally seeing an expanded playoffs. Trying to narrow it down to 2 or even 4 teams out of 134 is kinda ridiculous. Sure, some seasons it is readily apparent who the two best teams are but I'm willing to say that in most seasons a playoff would have produced a different champion.

I pretty much never watched a BCS playoff game but this season I tuned in for every game.

 

[pistolpete11]

As a PSU fan, I have a lot of thoughts after that game/season

I never like seeing OSU win , but it's good for the Big Ten.
I still can't believe PSU blew it against ND.
If they beat ND, I don't think that game goes much different, particularly with Carter playing with 1 arm, but I would still have liked to see it.

All in all, I think the playoffs did what they were intended to do. Find the best team. There should be no bitching and moaning from anybody. Everybody who was worthy (and arguably then some) got their shot to prove it on the field. That's all a team and the fans can ask for.

Fairly ironic that had the playoff system not changed this year, Ohio State would have missed the playoffs, Ryan Day would have been fired, and the national champ is probably Oregon. Timing is everything in life.

All probably true, but Oregon beat OSU by 1 point at home and then got blown out by 20 at a neutral site. So who's really the better team?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

All in all, I think the playoffs did what they were intended to do.

Make the stakeholders a shit-ton of money?

 

[Wattsburgh]

Emeka Egbuka to the Steelers?​

Seems like our kind of pick. And player.

 

[pistolpete11]

Make the stakeholders a shit-ton of money?

Well....yeah , but I'm talking from a fan's perspective. I've never been the biggest college football fan because of how they decided the champion, but they fixed that with the 12 team playoff. If it makes them more money, good for them, I guess. I don't really care. It's better entertainment now.

 

[Pens1566]

I'm not really concerned with Mt Washington's weight. Whatever it is, his frame carries it well. I'd be open to whatever path he/team think is best, whether it's TE or OL.

 

[MrBrightside]

All probably true, but Oregon beat OSU by 1 point at home and then got blown out by 20 at a neutral site. So who's really the better team?

I wasn't arguing who was better. I don't think there's any real dispute OSU was the best team in the country, even if they didn't always play like it. Was just noting that under the system that had been in place prior to this year (and that's any system ever prior to this year), the loss to Michigan would have sent Ohio State to like the Fiesta Bowl with 18 players opting out and Day is gone.

 

[xlm34]

The playoff system is way better than the previous method, but they definitely need to make some tweaks to the seeding. Oregon deserved the number one seed and got rewarded with what would have been probably the most difficult path to the final. They would have been better off losing the Big 10 championship game.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The playoff system is way better than the previous method, but they definitely need to make some tweaks to the seeding. Oregon deserved the number one seed and got rewarded with what would have been probably the most difficult path to the final. They would have been better off losing the Big 10 championship game.

Sure but they still would have had to play Ohio State eventually. If this was March madness they got the lowest ranked 2 loss regular season team in their matchup. If Ohio State beats Michigan and loses to Oregon in the championship game then then Ohio State and penn state flip seeds

 

[ColePens]

NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!

O-H !!!!!
Will Howard. Legend. How about that @ColePens ?? @End of Line !!

That 4th quarter my man. Heart attack central. Great first half by Howard. I did NOT like the coaching in the 2nd half. Some really interesting stuff there.

But when you cement yourselves in the record books as champ - nothing else matters in football. Nobody will remember the sloppy season. Nobody will remember anything. Just simply who won the title.

I-O!!!

 

[Empoleon8771]

If the Steelers want to draft a QB but not one super high, taking Howard in like the 4th is something I'd be fully supportive of. I do wonder if he gets the McCarthy treatment though, where he skyrockets in the draft board simply due to winning the national championship and having a good game in it.

 

[MrBrightside]

If the Steelers want to draft a QB but not one super high, taking Howard in like the 4th is something I'd be fully supportive of. I do wonder if he gets the McCarthy treatment though, where he skyrockets in the draft board simply due to winning the national championship and having a good game in it.

Howard is 18 months older than McCarthy and thus would be 2 1/2 years older at the time of the draft, plus McCarthy was a big time recruit while Howard was far from it. Not saying he won't go higher than he should but I'd pretty surprised if he gets anywhere above the 3rd round.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If the Steelers want to draft a QB but not one super high, taking Howard in like the 4th is something I'd be fully supportive of. I do wonder if he gets the McCarthy treatment though, where he skyrockets in the draft board simply due to winning the national championship and having a good game in it.

Howard is a good college Qb who could be a decent nfl backup. Most pro comps are to a more mobile Rudolph or Levis at Tennessee

 

[Empoleon8771]

Howard is a good college Qb who could be a decent nfl backup. Most pro comps are to a more mobile Rudolph or Levis at Tennessee

Yeah and that's why I want them to take him with a 3rd or 4th, getting a good backup for that price seems like a worthwhile pick.

Personally, what I'd be trying to do with the QB position is:

1. Draft a solid backup like Howard this year.
2. Give Fields all of 2025 to see what he can do.
3. If Fields flames out, draft a QB high in 2026 and move on from Fields. Go with Howard in the short term until the newly drafted QB is ready.

 

[MrBrightside]

If Fields is the guy I would lean away from drafting a QB anywhere early. Fields is still young and has more potential than anyone they are going to be able to draft, and they have enough needs that I wouldn't want to use a pick in the first 3 or 4 rounds that's a longshot and likely has a lower ceiling than Fields anyway. Sign a solid veteran backup like Tyrod Taylor or someone like that and give Fields some run.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I kinda just think they give Fields a 3/30 deal like we gave Tribskey knowing his floor is a great backup Qb. He gets 25 to be the starter Smith used some rpo in Atlanta with Ridder. I would prefer more 2 te 2 wr sets like Bmore because you can both run and pass out of that. I am sure if khan gets extra picks by trading down or trading vets like isaac and Minka they will take a flyer on a qb day 3 but i would not be surprised if Skyler isn’t Qb 2 or they bring in a vet who can help JF.
26 is the draft for the qb who sits behind JF for a while

 

[Empoleon8771]

If Fields is the guy I would lean away from drafting a QB anywhere early. Fields is still young and has more potential than anyone they are going to be able to draft, and they have enough needs that I wouldn't want to use a pick in the first 3 or 4 rounds that's a longshot and likely has a lower ceiling than Fields anyway. Sign a solid veteran backup like Tyrod Taylor or someone like that and give Fields some run.

Yeah I think you're most likely right and it will probably be what they do. I agree with above that they'll give Fields a 3 year deal and likely draft a QB in 2026 or 2027 to sit behind Fields for 1-2 years. And if Fields somehow ends up legit, they'll just keep him as the starter going forward.