Value of: Ivan Demidov VS 2025 1OA

[DaPhazz]

Now Demidov is Kucherov? Lol, this place at times is bonkers.

Of course not, there's a context, and you missed it.

Just exposing the unidirectional "I'm taking the 1C 1D before a 1W" lazy rethoric.

 

[MoneyManny]

People don't realize Demidov will probably have the best season ever in the KHL for an U20. And that includes players like Ovi, Malkin, Kucherov, Panarin, Kaprizov, etc.
Oh and he's doing it at an even younger age.
i personaly think he will be a top 10 player (and more) in the league for years to come

He's a Hab, this is what's been happening to our prospects around here.

Caufield lit up the NCAA, led the league in goals as a freshman. His second year leads the league in goals+points, wins the Hobey, but everyone on HFboards completely overlooks him and the consensus is that he's going to be a complete non-factor in the NHL.

Lane Hutson broke records in his first year NCAA in Boston, being the only defenseman ever to lead the conference in scoring. Lights the league up like no other D has since Brian Leetch. HFboards consensus is that scouting departments are professionals and a player like him would never fall through the cracks without warts. Will definitely become a complete non-factor in the NHL, his deceptive playstyle will never work at the next level and his body won't last through 5 shifts.

Now Demidov is likely to break records in his rookie season in the KHL but comparing him to other star Russians who had lesser performances is heresy and blasphemy. Oh and he's 2 full levels below Michkov, obviously. Demidov's ceiling is Jonathan Drouin.

 

[Ford Prefect]

It doesn't matter, every year it's the same thing. When was the last time a 1st OA was traded?

GMs and Scouting teams (the only opinions that actually matter) follow these players and have clear favorites. Being more developed doesn't matter when draft time comes. No GM is trading 1st OA, unless it's an overpay. Demidov wouldn't even be the main piece to get 1st OA.

There are probably 5 players on the Habs that are more valuable then Demidov.
And you think someone is giving up 1st OA for the 5th best player?

2002. Columbus traded from #3 to #1 to get Rick Nash. Florida wanted Bouwmeester, which they still got due to some sort of negotiations with Atlanta, who took Lehtonen at 2.

As an aside, how many people would trade a third liner and two seconds for the #4 pick? Even more bizarre than trading #1, was Philly somehow acquiring the 4th pick from the Lightning for Ruslan Fedotenko who on his best day was a2nd/3rd line tweener, and 2seconds. Worst draft trade I've seen in 35 years. The draft was poor overall, but I'm sure they could have gotten much better value than that.

Further tangent: I would not want to have a high pick in the 2032 draft. For some reason, the drafts ending in 2 have been mostly abysmal. The 2022 draft is (so far) looking to be the worst draft of the decade. 2012 was the worst of the '10s, the 2002 was one of the worst of the new millennium, '92 wasn't quite the worst (there were some horrific drafts that decade) but certainly not very strong.

 

[bleuetbio]

Demidov is almost 2 years older than next draftees and its doubtul that Habs will be on the last 10 teams next year so I thnk Demidov os a better fit in the rebuild but who knows, this team still need a 2nd center and even if Demidov can have a shot to play at that spot, a center could be a huge add. So its a maybe

 

[montreal]

Demidov is almost 2 years older than next draftees

He's 11 months older then Hagens who could go 1st OA.

 

[Legend123]

Demidov is almost 2 years older than next draftees and its doubtul that Habs will be on the last 10 teams next year so I thnk Demidov os a better fit in the rebuild but who knows, this team still need a 2nd center and even if Demidov can have a shot to play at that spot, a center could be a huge add. So its a maybe

huh he was drafted one draft ago

 

[bleuetbio]

huh he was drafted one draft ago

Still born in December 2005... which is like 9 months older than Eiserman didnt know that Hagens was a late too.

 

[jellybeans]

i wouldn't trade Demidov for anyone in the next draft

 

[Benstheman]

i wouldn't trade Demidov for anyone in the next draft

Me neither.

I have my doubts on Schaefer but only time will tell.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Demidov is almost 2 years older than next draftees and its doubtul that Habs will be on the last 10 teams next year so I thnk Demidov os a better fit in the rebuild but who knows, this team still need a 2nd center and even if Demidov can have a shot to play at that spot, a center could be a huge add. So its a maybe

Less than a year older than Martone as well as Hagens. I would absolutely love to grab Schaefer but I would somewhat reluctantly still hold on to Demidov at this point and fairly easily over the other forwards

 

[HabsAddict]

NO.

We have no idea how good Demidov will be in the NHL but he has the potential to span from generational to very good with the center being somewhere in the PPG range.

The ONLY trade that I would look at is an established kid in the PPG range already. Then the GM that is trading for him hopes he's a superstar or generational.

Let's say someone like CC or Stutzle IF the GM thought he's getting back a Kucherov. IF...

With what Demidov is showing and Hutson and CC and Suzuki and Laine...I rather wait a few more months or next season.

 

[Snowwy]

Celebrini is good but Demidov should've been 1st overall last year and would easily be this year. The number of teams scared of drafting Russians just blows my mind. Still can't believe both Michkov and Demidov fell like they did.

This is an all-time funny post. The KHL level has dropped so far over the past couple of years and we see it time and time again with players coming over. Look at his teammates on SKA, a 34 year old having a career year, the league isn't good and there hasn't been an appropriate mindset shift

 

[BHawk21]

Its gotta suck to be a Hawks fan right now.

Imagine watching your team trying to ask Columbus for a panicked do-over less than an hour after they picked 2oa. Passing on Michkov sucked for a while but it really doesn't sting at all now that Demidov and Laine landed in our lap.

It sucks being a hawks fan right now because the team is losing. Nobody is worried about Montreal. Laine lol

 

[Frank Drebin]

It sucks being a hawks fan right now because the team is losing. Nobody is worried about Montreal. Laine lol

Again my bad for taking a shot at your team

That guy was just overly salty

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Yeah this guy is as untouchable as untouchable gets

 

[Be a Hab]

I'm not trading Demidov vs this years 1st Overall

 

[majormajor]

It's an okay top 4 this year but Demidov would be ranked ahead of all of them.

 

[HuGort]

This highly skilled stud muffin was drafted 5OA and so far has justified that ranking, and then some. How much would a team be willing to shell out for one of, if not the, most prized asset not currently in the NHL?

Would a team drafting 1OA in 2025 do a one for one swap?

Discuss

No, Demidov is untouchable

 

[Guess]

Nobody is trading 1st OA for any player that hasn't played a game in the NHL.

Depends on which teams would value Schaefer more than Demidov.

 

[dgibb10]

Depends on which teams would value Schaefer more than Demidov.

GMs, whether right or wrong, have shown they aren't exactly over the moon over offensive russian wingers.

Demidov did go after Sennecke, Lindstrom, and Levshunov

 

[Shaby23]

No teams would trade Demidov for the 2025 1st overall, so this question is a no-brainer.

 

[dgibb10]

It's an okay top 4 this year but Demidov would be ranked ahead of all of them.

Sennecke, Lindstrom, Levshunov.

NHL GMs perception, whether right or wrong, is not the same. And it's not in favour of russian wingers

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

It sucks being a hawks fan right now because the team is losing. Nobody is worried about Montreal. Laine lol

You have Bedard, you will survive.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Sennecke, Lindstrom, Levshunov.

NHL GMs perception, whether right or wrong, is not the same. And it's not in favour of russian wingers

You keep referencing those three like we haven’t seen another year from each player and know that Demidov is light years ahead of those players

But yes you’re right about their perception of Russian players

Edit: also I said a year but I guess it’s more like half a year

 

[majormajor]

Sennecke, Lindstrom, Levshunov.

NHL GMs perception, whether right or wrong, is not the same. And it's not in favour of russian wingers

Among the many reasons for caution, legitimate and illegitimate, many were not sure if he was too attached to his junior playstyle and would have a hard time adapting to the KHL. He's had no problem with it, and that has resolved some questions that some people had.