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Value of: Ivan Demidov vs 2025 1oa

Dumais said:
It doesn't matter, every year it's the same thing. When was the last time a 1st OA was traded?

GMs and Scouting teams (the only opinions that actually matter) follow these players and have clear favorites. Being more developed doesn't matter when draft time comes. No GM is trading 1st OA, unless it's an overpay. Demidov wouldn't even be the main piece to get 1st OA.

There are probably 5 players on the Habs that are more valuable then Demidov.
And you think someone is giving up 1st OA for the 5th best player?
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2002. Columbus traded from #3 to #1 to get Rick Nash. Florida wanted Bouwmeester, which they still got due to some sort of negotiations with Atlanta, who took Lehtonen at 2.

As an aside, how many people would trade a third liner and two seconds for the #4 pick? Even more bizarre than trading #1, was Philly somehow acquiring the 4th pick from the Lightning for Ruslan Fedotenko who on his best day was a2nd/3rd line tweener, and 2seconds. Worst draft trade I've seen in 35 years. The draft was poor overall, but I'm sure they could have gotten much better value than that.

Further tangent: I would not want to have a high pick in the 2032 draft. For some reason, the drafts ending in 2 have been mostly abysmal. The 2022 draft is (so far) looking to be the worst draft of the decade. 2012 was the worst of the '10s, the 2002 was one of the worst of the new millennium, '92 wasn't quite the worst (there were some horrific drafts that decade) but certainly not very strong.
 
Demidov is almost 2 years older than next draftees and its doubtul that Habs will be on the last 10 teams next year so I thnk Demidov os a better fit in the rebuild but who knows, this team still need a 2nd center and even if Demidov can have a shot to play at that spot, a center could be a huge add. So its a maybe
 
bleuetbio said:
Demidov is almost 2 years older than next draftees and its doubtul that Habs will be on the last 10 teams next year so I thnk Demidov os a better fit in the rebuild but who knows, this team still need a 2nd center and even if Demidov can have a shot to play at that spot, a center could be a huge add. So its a maybe
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huh he was drafted one draft ago
 
bleuetbio said:
Demidov is almost 2 years older than next draftees and its doubtul that Habs will be on the last 10 teams next year so I thnk Demidov os a better fit in the rebuild but who knows, this team still need a 2nd center and even if Demidov can have a shot to play at that spot, a center could be a huge add. So its a maybe
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Less than a year older than Martone as well as Hagens. I would absolutely love to grab Schaefer but I would somewhat reluctantly still hold on to Demidov at this point and fairly easily over the other forwards
 
NO.

We have no idea how good Demidov will be in the NHL but he has the potential to span from generational to very good with the center being somewhere in the PPG range.

The ONLY trade that I would look at is an established kid in the PPG range already. Then the GM that is trading for him hopes he's a superstar or generational.

Let's say someone like CC or Stutzle IF the GM thought he's getting back a Kucherov. IF...

With what Demidov is showing and Hutson and CC and Suzuki and Laine...I rather wait a few more months or next season.
 
AhosDatsyukian said:
Celebrini is good but Demidov should've been 1st overall last year and would easily be this year. The number of teams scared of drafting Russians just blows my mind. Still can't believe both Michkov and Demidov fell like they did.
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This is an all-time funny post. The KHL level has dropped so far over the past couple of years and we see it time and time again with players coming over. Look at his teammates on SKA, a 34 year old having a career year, the league isn't good and there hasn't been an appropriate mindset shift
 
Frank Drebin said:
Its gotta suck to be a Hawks fan right now.

Imagine watching your team trying to ask Columbus for a panicked do-over less than an hour after they picked 2oa. Passing on Michkov sucked for a while but it really doesn't sting at all now that Demidov and Laine landed in our lap.
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It sucks being a hawks fan right now because the team is losing. Nobody is worried about Montreal. Laine lol
 
Guess said:
Depends on which teams would value Schaefer more than Demidov.
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GMs, whether right or wrong, have shown they aren't exactly over the moon over offensive russian wingers.

Demidov did go after Sennecke, Lindstrom, and Levshunov
 
dgibb10 said:
Sennecke, Lindstrom, Levshunov.

NHL GMs perception, whether right or wrong, is not the same. And it's not in favour of russian wingers
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You keep referencing those three like we haven’t seen another year from each player and know that Demidov is light years ahead of those players

But yes you’re right about their perception of Russian players

Edit: also I said a year but I guess it’s more like half a year
 
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Sennecke, Lindstrom, Levshunov.

NHL GMs perception, whether right or wrong, is not the same. And it's not in favour of russian wingers
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Among the many reasons for caution, legitimate and illegitimate, many were not sure if he was too attached to his junior playstyle and would have a hard time adapting to the KHL. He's had no problem with it, and that has resolved some questions that some people had.
 
Sasha Orlov said:
You keep referencing those three like we haven’t seen another year from each player and know that Demidov is light years ahead of those players

But yes you’re right about their perception of Russian players
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Has Demidov done anything specifically beyond what he was expected to be to drastically raise his stock?

Are we under the impression that NHL teams weren't aware that Demidov was an elite offensive talent before he got drafted?

I'd say he was far ahead of them last year, and still went behind them in the draft. Tbh, I'd argue the gap has shrunk between him and Sennecke.
 
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dgibb10 said:
Has Demidov done anything specifically beyond what he was expected to be to drastically raise his stock?

Are we under the impression that NHL teams weren't aware that Demidov was an elite offensive talent before he got drafted?

I'd say he was far ahead of them last year, and still went behind them in the draft. Tbh, I'd argue the gap has shrunk between him and Sennecke.
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Yes? He’s scoring at 4.02 p/60 and about to have the best U20 KHL season ever

He was known to be an “elite offensive talent” but we are talking top 3 prospect out of Russia ever at this point

He has left the others in the dust
 
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